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April 23, 2002 3:35:31 PM

<A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,..." target="_new">Clickable</A>
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SUNNYVALE, CA -- April 23, 2002 --On April 24, AMD will announce two significant developments related to its next-generation family of processors, code-named “Hammer.”

I have good reasons to belive that one of those "developments" will be about a Microsoft OS built on the x86-64 ISA.

the other devlpment I think is going to be about a more technical matter, maybe the state of Hammer devlopment or the nVidia chipset. I belive it will be technical sence the person carrying the teleconference is Dirk meyer the leading archictect of the K7 and K8 core not some PR or VP, CEO etc.



This post is best viewed with common sense enabled<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by iib on 04/23/02 06:41 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
April 23, 2002 4:08:25 PM

Sounds about right to me, did they give a specific time tomorrow?

<font color=blue>If you don't buy Windows, then the terrorists have already won!</font color=blue> - Microsoft
April 23, 2002 4:26:29 PM

it says: Time: 4:30 p.m. U.S. EDT
btw you guys on what the EDT time zone is in GMT? (ours is +2:00 GMT, Israel)
I want to listen in through web-cast.

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April 23, 2002 6:29:24 PM

x86-64 support from Microsoft is imminent. This is what I have been trying to explain to the likes of Raystonn, Fugger and Meltdown over the last couple of weeks.

If this turns out to be true then its gonna cause one big hoo ha in the computer industry...time to get the beers in. :smile:

<font color=purple>Ladies and Gentlemen, its...Hammer Time !</font color=purple>
April 23, 2002 8:44:18 PM

This is so good news!
This means big shot for AMD!
I wonder how Intel will react, now that MS will be definitly siding more often with AMD, who's technology totally fits well with WinXP, and would definitly sell in the future.
This will arguably force Intel to use x86-64 for Yamhill technology, otherwise using a new 64-bit alternative and expecting MS to support another type would contradict Bill Gates' statement of seperating Windows' into different styles would ruin it entirely.

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April 23, 2002 9:15:51 PM

There is already an IA64 Windows, why would Intel not be able to continue using that?

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April 23, 2002 9:21:55 PM

They can use the IA64 Windows with the Itanium, but not with the Yamhill, which would be a x86-64 processor similar to the Hammer.

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April 24, 2002 12:19:13 AM

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There is already an IA64 Windows, why would Intel not be able to continue using that?

Because IA64 is not going to sell well in the Microsoft's primary market - the desktop. As you have said before, this is not its market. Yes, it is doing OK in the Windows Enterprise Edition market, but this won't compensate for Intel losses in the high-end 64bit desktop/workstation market (scientific number crunching, CAD, Video special effects processing, etc.) due to the lack of apps for IA64. Intel will most likely have to license x86-64 from AMD or clone it.

Microsoft is going to do anything it can to keep selling licenses of updated software - Win64 for IA64 is doing very little for them here - Win64 for x86-64 has the potential of becoming the new Windows "pro" version.

If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn't have thought so much.
April 24, 2002 12:25:49 AM

Actually, I think the X86-64 architecture is open sourced.

Mark-

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April 24, 2002 12:33:21 AM

Yes but in the Windows environment, which IMO WILL be the main center, it shouldn't be or else Windows will fall to Linux-like worlds.

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April 24, 2002 12:44:36 AM

Open sourced doesn't mean not licensed. It just means that anyone can license it for little or no cost. If Intel decides to license x86-64, they will have to follow AMD's restrictions, if any. If they decide to clone they have to do it "clean-room" style.

If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn't have thought so much.
April 24, 2002 12:48:32 AM

I doubt AMD would be hard-headed, after all they did get license for SSE from Intel, ya?
Maybe AMD would charge, I know Sanders is just itching for a wad of bills' from Intel's dirty hands, so I would bet they will ask for some moolah.

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April 24, 2002 3:27:56 AM

Taking bets? My guess (notice I said guess)

One of the announcements is obviously the Tbred.

The other will be the move to .13 Micron.

Just a lot of hype to make sure everyone knows the above if they didn't already.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 3:33:51 AM

I have to agree. There has been no talk on technet, investor channels, or retailer channels about a OS from MS to support x86-64. Im sorry but I think you are reading into it too much. But hey stranger things have happened.

-Jeremy

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April 24, 2002 5:02:45 AM

I have to disagree - MS already has Win64 for x86-64 functional - see my post & links under the AMD sides with MS = New Relations thread. The real question is whether or not MS will admit it publicly.

If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn't have thought so much.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by ath0mps0 on 04/23/02 10:03 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
April 24, 2002 5:41:00 AM

I dug this up, not sure how accurate it is. Dated 4/22/2002

<A HREF="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/as-22.04.02-000/" target="_new">Intercepted Email</A>

Translated for you by bablefish.altavista.com

"Microsoft is probably further with the 64-bittigen Windows XP version for AMDs hammer processor much, when generally assumes. Before this background then probably the disputed Kungelei of the nor AMD boss Jerry of sanders with Bill Gates would be to be seen, be induced with the sanders Microsoft to a public statement wanted.

In an allegedly Microsoft-internal E-Mail, which was c't passed on, NT chief architect David Cutler under the Subject "A reports day in History" of memorable 7 February, on which the first hammer prototype system arrived with Microsofts AMD 64 bits Working Group: At 3 o'clock p.m. arrived the hardware and already two hours later the 64-Bit-XP-Version on it gebootet. Also 64-Bit-Applikationen ran under wow64 directly. Even the normal 32-Bit-XP gebootet problem-free, without a change would have been necessary. Cutler expresses further its astonishment over "unbelievable" stability this first hammer prototypes.

The Mail lists the Microsoft operating system and compiler specialists by CC apart from the AMD 64 bits Working Group explicitly: Forrest Foltz, David Cutler, Gordon Bell, Neill Clift, Samer Arafeh, Landy Wang, Jeff Havens, Andre Vachon, Bryan Tuttle, Simon Koeman, Kevin free, Bob Davidson, Terry Leeper as well as BV's Cabinet and Jim Allchin's Staff. Was not completely Microsoft internal the Mail meanwhile, as an addressee are together with gates, Ballmer and Allchin also the leading AMD developers Fred weber and Wayne Meretsky aforementioned."

Find out how accurate the rumors are. Gotta love the source.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 5:42:30 AM

Actually, the media advisory specifically states 64-bit computing and the Hammer line. To present otherwise in a press release the next day would tank their stock prices. And remember in a public company, the stockholders are always right, even if they are all idiots with their pants on their heads. So, I'd tend to agree that it is a NVidia chipset and Win x86-64. Both of those would relate to the Hammer, and frankly, unless they are announcing production shipment to OEMs, the only plausible explinations. Guess we'll have to wait until 9:30PM GMT (4:30PM EST) to find out, eh? I might have to listen in.

-SammyBoy
April 24, 2002 5:45:23 AM

Gah, Babelfish translations are as hard to read as Juin's posts. Sigh... guess we won't find out until tomorrow. And if that email is even remotely true, things bode well for the Hammer. Who knows, maybe the 32 to 64-bit transition is closer than we think.

-SammyBoy
April 24, 2002 7:24:59 AM

Yeah, ive read the email. here is what i know:

1. Every person listed on the AMD header (in the email) actually does work for AMD. I know where most of their offices are :)  So a faker did their homework.. or its legit

2. AMD sent some people to San Fransisco a few weeks ago. But nobody is saying why. The mystery deepens.

Speculation:

I dont think the announcement tommorow will be that big a deal or something we dont already know/suspect.
The announcement coming in a few weeks from all the hardware sites (the whole San Fransisco thingy) probably will be a big deal. Maybe not revolutionary, but exciting.
If/When MS announces OS support for Hammer. Im gonna have to link back to he MULTIPLE threads (some more than a month ago) where i said this would happen.

So here is what I think the speech is about tommorow:

1. Sanders is retiring
2. T-Bred shipping to OEMs
3. Hammer slightly ahead of schedule

Benchmarks are like sex, everybody loves doing it, everybody thinks they are good at it.
April 24, 2002 11:55:00 AM

Fugger is again trying to deny AMD's accomplishments. Their websites states that the subject will regard 64-bit computing, yet the idiot thinks it's about Tbred. Utter FUD, Fugger.


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April 24, 2002 5:18:58 PM

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MEDIA ADVISORY
AMD Answers 64-Bit Question

AMD will announce two significant developments related to its next-generation family of processors, code-named “Hammer.”

Exactly, Eden - Fugger is spewing FUD. The anouncement specificly states it is about 64bit and both things are about hammer.

If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn't have thought so much.
April 24, 2002 6:18:21 PM

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2. AMD sent some people to San Fransisco a few weeks ago. But nobody is saying why. The mystery deepens.


That's...interesting.

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April 24, 2002 6:56:44 PM

Thanks for the FUD

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April 24, 2002 8:04:04 PM

What part of "my guess" did you not understand?

Tards!

Keep your panties on, just a few more hours till AMD spills the beans.

They are planning on opening NYSE tomorrow by ringing the bell? so they expect stock prices to rise based upon the announcement.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 8:13:33 PM

OK fugger, brass tacks time now....

How much would you like to bet?

If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn't have thought so much.
April 24, 2002 8:20:38 PM

Give the guy a break man ! He made his own 'guess' about what AMD will announce...either he is right or wrong, there is no need to rub it in.

<font color=purple>Ladies and Gentlemen, its...Hammer Time !</font color=purple>
April 24, 2002 8:33:37 PM

AMD teleconference starting now

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 8:41:22 PM

Opteron announced first, 1 of 2

Opteron first half 2003

Optimus - the best

Not the end of the Athlon

4Q new athlon ??

Microsoft is formalizing relationship to start development for x86-64.


You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 8:43:33 PM

Questions, being asked.

WOW, the announce was NOT windows x86-64!!!!

The official annouce was the 2 new processors!!!
ROFL



You are limited to what your mind can perceive.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by fugger on 04/24/02 01:51 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
April 24, 2002 8:45:19 PM

"Microsoft is being worked on, not prepared to talk about today"


You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 8:46:55 PM

Anyone else listening?

Why is microsoft not on the announce. Announce for opteron.

They shut off speaker in the middle of a sentance when he spoke about collaboration and the removel of MS from this announce.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 8:48:28 PM

My call was screened, I had a MS question and they said sorry. and put back in the pack of callers.

can anyone else hear anything as they screen calls?

Its all dead air now.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 9:32:39 PM

Fugger, it sounds like you were so busy trying to find the smallest thing that could even come close to proving your point you didn't hear what was actually said. No, AMD is not actually announcing the specific product name for Windows x86-64 - Microsoft will do that later. Still, AMD will be demonstrating a multiprocessor Hammer server running an authorized development version of x86-64 Windows.NET server tomorrow for the shareholder meeting.

Recap:

AMD announced the new name of the multiprocessor versions of Hammer (ClawHammerMP and SledgeHammer) as "Opteron." The singleprocessor versions of Clawhammer (ClawHammer XP? and ClawHammer Mobile) will be called Athlon "something." The current Athlon will pick up the Duron space.

AMD also announced that they have a long standing (past 2 years or more) agreement with Microsoft to co-develop 64bit OS and applications solutions for x86-64 (Hammer). They are now simply making this public as they have the new dev. OS operational on Hammer silicon. Future formal product annoucements are forthcomming.

This is SOP (standard operating procedure) in cases such as this - formally announce colabaration, formally announce product, release product.

I still have one concern - AMD seemed completely surprised that "Opteron" is already someone's trade name - an optical fiber company in Korea - <A HREF="http://www.opteron.co.kr" target="_new">http://www.opteron.co.kr&lt;/A>

If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn't have thought so much.
April 24, 2002 9:37:41 PM

MS is not "in" on the announcement because they dont have a product release yet. Hence, they chose not to be part of the conference. Someone else asked is this "officially" sanctioned/supported by MS - response was yes.
I dont think ya heard the whole thing fugger

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April 24, 2002 9:55:12 PM

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I dont think ya heard the whole thing fugger

Of course he didn't, he chose to only hear the part that wouldn't disprove his BS. He probably figures if he ignores something he doesn't like, then it won't be true. :wink:

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April 24, 2002 9:57:52 PM

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Of course he didn't, he chose to only hear the part that wouldn't disprove his BS. He probably figures if he ignores something he doesn't like, then it won't be true.



Next he is going to fry his recording of the conference, then he will upgrade the recording in a vain attempt to make his claims true.

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April 24, 2002 10:01:01 PM

Too many threads, I replied in another. ending in this one as the tards have stepped in to troll.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 10:02:24 PM

Thanks for proving me right.

"Future formal product annoucements are forthcomming."

Ok, link to this info please.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
April 24, 2002 11:13:45 PM

OK, if you insist. When MS and AMD formally announce the names and release dates of Windows "whatever" supporting x86-64, I'll resurrect this thread - just for you.

Let's see, what did I prove you right at:

1) "Taking Bet?" - I asked how much and you chickened out

2) "One of the announcements is obviously the Tbred." - Not! - Announcement 1 was the naming for multiproc Hammer (Opteron) and single proc Hammer (Athlon xxxx). Announcement 2 was the past signed agreement for MS to support x86-64.

3) "The other will be the move to .13 Micron." - Not! - see #2.

4) "Just a lot of hype to make sure everyone knows the above if they didn't already." - wrong again.

5) "They are planning on opening NYSE tomorrow by ringing the bell? so they expect stock prices to rise based upon the announcement." - No, they rang it today "tard!"

6) "Microsoft is formalizing relationship to start development for x86-64." - wrong again. The relationship was formalized a long time ago. They are just publicly announcing that agreement (contract).

7) "WOW, the announce was NOT windows x86-64!!!!" - wrong again - see #2 above.

8) "The official annouce was the 2 new processors!!!" - wrong - that was just the first announcement, not 2 separate ones.

9) "'Microsoft is being worked on, not prepared to talk about today'" - you do an excellent job of twisting what is said - this is NOT what was said - they simply declined to discus the specifics of product names and release dates.

10) "You are limited to what your mind can perceive." - I think <i>you</i> proved yourself right on this one....

If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn't have thought so much.
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