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The_MaguS   04-25-2002 at 05:35:40 AM

Well I'm guessing some of you read my thread about getting a laptop =(

So what do I need to quickly and easily transfer files from my laptop to my desktop?

I did a search for docking stations on newegg, but I don't think any came up. =(

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Black_Cat   04-25-2002 at 05:41:46 AM
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As long as you have NICs on either end just connect an RJ 45 cable to each and send the files via your new little network.

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jedge78   04-25-2002 at 05:43:46 AM
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you can set up a really simple network using an ethernet adapter on each machine and a patch or crossover cable...probably easiest and most cost effective way as the only extra thing you need is the crossover ethernet cord

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AmdMELTDOWN   04-25-2002 at 06:03:03 AM
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is this an older laptop?

1. install a pmcia ethernet card(like linksys or dlink) card into the laptop and network it to the desktop. this is fast.

2. zip disk. fast.

3. get a dicect cable, use interlnk server and client that comes with win95 or at Microsoft. this is slow as hell.

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rcf84   04-25-2002 at 06:16:19 AM
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you have a serial post on your labtop. If so do a direct serial connect.

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The_MaguS   04-25-2002 at 06:42:26 AM
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My computer will have a 3COM NIC PCI installed (or an onboard).

My laptop comes standard with a 10/100 ethernet port.

So all I need is a short RJ-45 cable? Do I need some special software.

Oh this is also important. My laptop will run Windows 2000 Pro, and my PC windows XP home. Any conflicts if I were to use an ethernet to transfer files?

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74merc   04-25-2002 at 08:38:10 AM
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unless you have a hub, you'll need a cross over cable, not just a standard Cat 5.
just ask for one, if they don't know what you're talking about, go somewhere else.

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dhlucke   04-25-2002 at 08:43:53 AM
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Buy a crossover cable.

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kusek   04-25-2002 at 08:54:48 AM
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crossover cable and windows is all you need then. 2000 and xp will have no problem.

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Crashman   04-25-2002 at 06:05:23 PM
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Crossover cable. My dealer charges $5 to flip them, same price for replacing an end in standard or crossover configuration.

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The_MaguS   04-25-2002 at 07:24:18 PM
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If they use the same operating system, will I need a crossover cable?

And is the crossover cable the same as the RJ 45 cable?

Thanks. By transferring stuff via vire, I can save serious cash by not buying a dvd/cdrw combo.

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Crashman   04-25-2002 at 08:57:34 PM
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A crossover cable is nothing more than a standard RJ-45 cable that's been flipped on one end so you can hook two computers directly to each other.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

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The_MaguS   04-25-2002 at 09:36:23 PM
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Once I buy a crossover cable (is this what I would ask for if I call a computer hardware store?), what software do I need to transfer files between two computers?

If I don't need special software, how would I transfer then? Something in windows?

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Crashman   04-25-2002 at 11:17:37 PM
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Everything you need is in windows. I normally use the Net BOUI protocol, which you can load in Controll Panel under Network. Also enable file sharing there.
Then make your hard drive on the laptop shared by right clicking on it in "My Computer" and sliding down to the "Sharing" icon on the dropdown menu.
Now you can use "network neighborhood" to locate the shared notebook drive on you desktop. You can even right click on that drive and make it a "mapped network drive". All free, easy stuff.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

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The_MaguS   04-25-2002 at 11:30:10 PM
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I goto Windows XP control panel and select "network connections."

All it has is a network setup wizard.
It says this, too.

"If your home is wired for Ethernet, similar to phone wiring, you can connect your computers using Ethernet jacks in the wall. Otherwise, you must use a network hub to connect your computers together."


So where do I get a "network hub"? And how to I use it? =(

If I plug both my laptop/desktop into ethernet jacks on campus, then they won't be connected to each other obviously, and will be running through my college.

Anyone? Thanks.

Oh, the two computers I will be connecting, one uses XP, one uses 2000. According to xp...

"The Network Setup Wizard is only supported on computers using Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows Millennium Edition, Windows XP Home Edition, or Windows XP Professional."

huh.

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Crashman   04-26-2002 at 12:56:10 AM
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A hub does two things-it allows you to use more than one computer on one line, and it acts like a crossover between two computers on the hub. MS doesnt' want you to get a $5 cable, they want you to get a $50 hub, but you can use the cable. You can also hook it up to the two jacks at the school and yes, access one from the other, as long as you have a compatable protocol on both, such as netBoui, and sharing on the drive you want to access. I live on campus and have access to around 20 other computers that use netBoui, but all of them have passwords on the shared drives so it does me know good.

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The_MaguS   04-26-2002 at 01:11:08 AM
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So hooking the two computers up with just a cable will work under Windows without a hub?

The XP message implies you NEED a hub. So in otherwords, I just connect the two comps using an RJ45 cable, then run the networking wizard, right?



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Crashman   04-26-2002 at 04:29:39 AM
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You have to use a "crossover" cable if you have no hub. A "Crossover" cable is an RJ-45 cable with the data wires switched around on one end. Using a "crossover" cable eliminates the need for a hub. Everything else remains the same.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

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dhlucke   04-26-2002 at 05:24:40 AM
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How hard is it to make a crossover cable? Which color wires need to be switched?

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The_MaguS   04-26-2002 at 06:09:53 AM
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Where can I get a crossover cable? =)

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CMRvet   04-26-2002 at 06:23:43 AM
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Quote :

The XP message implies you NEED a hub. So in otherwords, I just connect the two comps using an RJ45 cable, then run the networking wizard, right?


don't worry about it. Just connect both PC's with a crossover cable, run the wizards and ready.
I did the same a couple of weeks ago for a friend:
compaq laptop Win 98 with PCMCIA network (Dlink) and desktop Win Me. No problems.

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kusek   04-26-2002 at 06:23:55 AM
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A regular CAT 5 patch cable won't work unless you know which wires to switch and have a tool to crimp it a new end on. Go to Office Depot, Best Buy, or Staples and spend <A HREF="http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/SKU.asp?BCFlag=False&PageType=1&SKU=IM1104192" target="_new">$5.95</A> for a 3' or <A HREF="http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/SKU.asp?BCFlag=False&PageType=1&SKU=458479" target="_new">$12.98</A> for a 10'. I bought the 10' for a printer but 3' might be enough for you. I would follow Crash's instructions on the software part. Use your system with 2000 and search for "file sharing" under Help. Just follow the instructions

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The_MaguS   04-26-2002 at 07:26:11 AM
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Do I run Network Wizard on the PC first or the laptop first? Or it don't matter. Sorry if this seems like a stupid question.


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dhlucke   04-26-2002 at 08:46:32 AM
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A monkey could get a network up and running on WinXP. Just run the home networking wizard on each one, I don't think the order matters, and you're good to go. If the network ever stops working, there's an option to "repair" the network. That will have you up and running again.

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The_MaguS   04-26-2002 at 10:22:19 AM
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2000 will network with xp right?

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kusek   04-26-2002 at 10:25:25 AM
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Definitely. So will any windows os as far back as 98 maybe even 95.

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ath0mps0   04-26-2002 at 10:28:25 AM
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Yes, no problem.

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jihiggs   04-26-2002 at 05:04:58 PM
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crash is partialy correct, but on a large campus network, you will probly get smacked if you run netbui. and if you only run netbui on your computer its not going to get on the internet. if your dorm has enough jacks, you dont need a crossover cable, just hook both laptop and pc up to their network, and you can just map to the ip address of either pc.

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varlo   04-26-2002 at 05:17:18 PM
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If you live near the Montreal aera let me know , I will set you up and show you how, it's realy easy to do but hard to discribe.


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slvr_phoenix   04-26-2002 at 08:09:22 PM
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Definitely. So will any windows os as far back as 98 maybe even 95.


Is that entirely true? I've heard of some people having problems accessing network drives on Win2K from Win9x and/or Linux. I haven't seen it personally because I have only set up one network in my life and that was on Win95. Heh heh. I've just heard it around the office though.

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Crashman   04-27-2002 at 12:59:59 AM
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I think it's the center 4 wires, but I'm not certain, my dealer has a chart. It's as easy as putting a new end on.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

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FatBurger   04-27-2002 at 01:09:29 AM
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<A HREF="http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-ethernet-crossover.asp" target="_new">Google is your friend</A> :tongue:

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Crashman   04-27-2002 at 01:28:18 AM
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Well, no worry for me, my dealer makes them, but at least it explains things for people who were too curious.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

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tnadrev   04-27-2002 at 01:29:42 AM
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seeing as how you are probably going to want to have access to the school network, i would get a hub, that way you can avoid switching wires and setups, just be careful not to share your files to the entire school network... you don't want some prof browsing your pr0n

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FatBurger   04-27-2002 at 01:49:33 AM
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I checked the networking book I have sitting on a shelf, but it only has the layout for 10baseT crossover. It explains 100baseTX and even gigabit though, so I wonder why they don't have diagrams for those? Oh well.

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varlo   04-27-2002 at 02:59:32 AM
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Doesn't 10,100 and 1000 share the same RJ45 cable,the only thing that changes is the caliber of the wires inside ?

Unless your book is telling how to reverse a coax cable...

But I may be mistaken and they all use differant cables.


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The_MaguS   04-27-2002 at 06:03:06 AM
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Windows XP doesn't have netbeui. Can I still connect a 2000 Laptop with a XP desktop using only a crossover?

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xxsk8er101xx   04-27-2002 at 06:14:26 AM
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2 NIC cards and 1 usb hub OR switch an 2 RJ-45 cables of about 15 feet. You want CAT 5 cable or better. CAT 5/e and CAT 6 is compatible.

Most newer laptops have NIC built in. You may have to buy the NIC for your computer and a hob and the cables.



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The_MaguS   04-27-2002 at 06:44:37 AM
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But MS doesn't have netbeiu in WinXP anymore. I read about some guy who tried to connect winxp and 2000, and 2k could see xp, but not vice versa.

huh. Woulda thunk deciding a major could mess up my computer choices so bad? =P

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jihiggs   04-27-2002 at 07:22:31 AM
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forget netbui, its the devil

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jihiggs   04-27-2002 at 07:25:52 AM
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10base is the same cable as 100base, the 10 and 100 only refers to the nic and network equipment used. the only pairs that are used in a network cable are pin 1 and 2, and pin 3 and 6. a crossover has one end normal, 1 2 3 6, the other end is 3 6 1 2. the other 4 wires change around too, but there is no need.

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The_MaguS   04-27-2002 at 07:29:05 AM
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So what else can I use (besides NETBUEI) to connect two comps using a crossover cable? TCP/IP?

Crossover cables are like 7 bucks from newegg (or less?), pretty cheap.

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dhlucke   04-27-2002 at 09:25:33 AM
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I was being lazy, thanks for the link...

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ath0mps0   04-27-2002 at 09:38:23 AM
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Quote :

10base is the same cable as 100base, the 10 and 100 only refers to the nic and network equipment used.


In addition, 10base-T only requires CAT-3 cable and terminiation (the connectors) or greater; 100base-TX requires CAT-5 cable and termination or greater.

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Crashman   04-27-2002 at 10:01:08 AM
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There are other protocols you can use, NetBoui was simply the easiest. I think IPX would do, maybe TCPIP, I'm going to leave that up to the network guys in here.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

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xxsk8er101xx   04-27-2002 at 03:17:33 PM
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http://www.tweakxp.com/tweakxp/display.asp?id=654

read that article :)

as for computer choices it's all up to you!

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jihiggs   04-27-2002 at 06:25:24 PM
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there is no reason not to use tcpip any more. tcpip is used in 99% of networks anywhere. but if your just going to do peer to peer (just 2 computers and a crossover) it doesnt really matter. if you are going to a college and they have network connectivity, you will have to use tcpip. they may be cheap and only put one line in the room, in which case you will have to get a hub to have them both on the network.

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Intel_inside   04-28-2002 at 09:33:11 AM
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direct serial connect is way too slow to be of any use anymore (it would take hours to transfer even 100 megs)

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labdog   04-28-2002 at 02:29:36 PM
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laplink software.


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labdog   04-28-2002 at 02:35:31 PM
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