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April 29, 2002 11:23:13 PM

I am building a PC for my brother who does digital video and photo editing, DVD and MP3 ripping, and normal office applications (no gaming). I am torn between going AMD vs. Intel. He already has a high-end video card and 100GB HD, and has about $1300 for the rest of the system. How do I best spend his money? I need specific recommendations (mb, processor, memory, etc) and it needs to be released products as his current system died this past weekend and he needs the new one built ASAP.

It seems people really like the Pentium 4 1.6A because it easily runs stable at 2.2 GHz or better. If the extra $60-120 is not an issue, should I go with the 1.8A or 2.0A processors? Do they overclock as well as the 1.6A?

FYI, my machine is an Athlon XP 1800+ with Alpha Pal 8045 , MSI K7T266A Pro2-RU, 1GB Mushkin 2100 CL2, Lian-Li PC-65 case, Matrox G550, and an assortment of fixed and removeable media. No complaints except that the system makes my room way too warm.

Thanks in advance!

--Carl

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April 30, 2002 1:04:33 AM

The 2GHZ A will overclock the same as the two before it, because they are downbinned from it. You can get it to 2.2GHZ safely, but I think 2.4GHZ can be found quite well too.

Now if you have the money, you could invest in a cheap priced Dual AthlonMP system, probably an AMP 2000 or below, with 512MB RAM and dual CPU system, using AMD's 760MPX since most approve of it. That way your digital video is at its best.

I dunno about house warming though, I mean the whole world is warming up anyway lol!

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April 30, 2002 2:33:23 AM

One thing, will he be ripping DVD to mpeg4 (divx) or to mpeg2 (svcd), i believe that the axp does better at mpeg2 while the p4 rocks in mpeg4.

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April 30, 2002 4:55:02 AM

yeah the p4 kicks ass at divx rendering

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April 30, 2002 8:17:29 AM

What software does your brother use? He might benefit from having a dual cpu system.

"Just the facts ma'am"<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Siddhartha on 04/30/02 04:24 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
April 30, 2002 9:11:06 AM

I do video editing daily, and recently upgraded from an Intel-based P3 system to an MSI 645 Ultra board, 256 MB PC 2100 (i know it can take 2700 but crucial didnt sell it at the time), upgraded my case to a Chieftec with loads of spare drive bays, a P4 o/c (and STABLE) at 2.15 Ghz (increased FSB to 133), and then just a GeF2 MX 400 with VIVO and Twin View, with dual monitors (incidentally, i found a GREAT place selling refurbished one month or so old Sony Trinitrons at less than half usual new price!).
My system is great for games, benchmarks quite well (although they are out of date and beaten as soon as you publish them, but thats computers for you) but more importantly is great for editing.
Next thing for me is to get a RAID card and a couple of 60 or 80 Gig hard drives, but my current 40 and 12 Gigs do manage as long as i only work on one project at a time.
The whole upgrade though, from the P3 to the P4, cost just over 300 pounds (case 80, P4 120, mboard 80, RAM 60,) and i now have a bare bones system to either sell or give my sister (but i have to live...).

In short - i think i got a bargain that i love, have no regrets, and edits very very well.

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April 30, 2002 8:07:54 PM

Without overclocking, for the cost amd always wins.

YOu can get a 1900+ for the cost of a 1.6a.


If you want to overclock, go for the p4.

Simple.

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April 30, 2002 8:43:03 PM

Or if you want the best stock performance for any price. In which case, you are an idiot.

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April 30, 2002 11:41:45 PM

Strong words Fatburger - in some cases stability and cost are more important than speed (not that speed isn't important). I know many tech literate people that (based mostly on Intel FUD, BTW) are afraid to OC their system because it will "void the warranty." They don't want to hear that FSB OCing or Athlon MP OCing don't require physical modifications - they just want to have a fast, stable system for the best price possible. In this case, I have to recommend AMD - the prices can't be beat with a comparable performing system by Intel.

(Please, no FUD about AMD processors being "less" stable than Intel. I have several of both and know where the stability problems are - Intel has had more than its fair share).

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April 30, 2002 11:55:02 PM

I see your point, but I am of course talking about from the perspective of the average person on this forum. Should I have been more clear?

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May 1, 2002 12:52:20 AM

I understood your point Fatty, and I do agree, some will go pay anything for Intel Inside.

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May 1, 2002 2:19:01 AM

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see your point, but I am of course talking about from the perspective of the average person on this forum. Should I have been more clear?


The person asking is NOT an average person on this forum, he came for help and figuring out how to overclock a p4 is probably not high on his to do list.

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May 1, 2002 2:31:09 AM

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The person asking is NOT an average person on this forum, he came for help and figuring out how to overclock a p4 is probably not high on his to do list.

if the guy can go into the bios then he can overclock a P4, simple as that.


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May 1, 2002 2:37:58 AM

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The person asking is NOT an average person on this forum, he came for help and figuring out how to overclock a p4 is probably not high on his to do list.

Oops, Mat, he <b>did</b> ask about overclocking....

While I agree with Fatburger that anyone on a limited budget that buys highest "performance" stock is wasting their money (especially if they buy a 2.4GHz P4 or 2100+ Athlon and put them in i845 or KT133a motherboards with PC133). Even going for all out performance with stock clocks is a pure waste of money - I don't know how many clients/employees I have stopped from making these kinds of mistakes. Especially when I can buy a 1.6a now and will be able to buy a 2.6 in 6-12 months for even less than the 1.6a (total spent = <1/2 cost of 2.4 now).

It is just that some outright refuse to OC. If this is the case, they need to get what they need to be as productive as possible - if this requires a $4,000 system, so be it - it's their money.

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May 1, 2002 6:21:05 AM

unless of course he uses generic ram thats hardly overclockable.
or has a board that barely support any overclocking.


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May 1, 2002 4:05:30 PM

Nobody should be buying a system with the intent of overclocking and not finding out what components are good overclockers first. And I see very, very few people that fail to do research before buying overclocking gear.

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May 2, 2002 12:24:40 AM

point.
allthough i do see many noobs who start with a generic system then at some point later get interested and try to overclock, usualy with zero or very average results.
at that point the research for a new system begins in earnest :smile:

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May 2, 2002 2:56:13 AM

Thanks for the replies so far folks... looks like I need to re-state some things (after the bantering between Matisaro/FatBurger/Ath0mps0/AMDMeltdown). First, please re-read my original post... I asked for specific recommendations on motherboards, memory, etc. I also inquired about overclocking, hence the need to know what mb/cpu/mem combos work best. I may be new to overclocking, but I have read MANY forums and reviews to learn enough to know to ask for some specific recommendations.

As for what applications he will be using, I know the Adobe suite is a big one (Photoshop, Premier, AfterEffects, etc). I am not sure what additional ripping programs he is using, but I know both mpeg 2 and 4 are in the picture.

Hope this helps narrow the responses to some specific recommendations. Let me know if I can provide additional details that will help you craft your replies. Thanks in advance!!!

--Carl

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I am building a PC for my brother who does digital video and photo editing, DVD and MP3 ripping, and normal office applications (no gaming). I am torn between going AMD vs. Intel. He already has a high-end video card and 100GB HD, and has about $1300 for the rest of the system. How do I best spend his money? I need specific recommendations (mb, processor, memory, etc) and it needs to be released products as his current system died this past weekend and he needs the new one built ASAP.

It seems people really like the Pentium 4 1.6A because it easily runs stable at 2.2 GHz or better. If the extra $60-120 is not an issue, should I go with the 1.8A or 2.0A processors? Do they overclock as well as the 1.6A?

FYI, my machine is an Athlon XP 1800+ with Alpha Pal 8045 , MSI K7T266A Pro2-RU, 1GB Mushkin 2100 CL2, Lian-Li PC-65 case, Matrox G550, and an assortment of fixed and removeable media. No complaints except that the system makes my room way too warm.
May 2, 2002 4:36:55 PM

Of course, but the same thing can happen with AMD as easily as Intel. That's not really an argument in AMD's favor.

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May 2, 2002 4:50:28 PM

Prices from Newegg:

Pentium 4 1.6A retail - $128
Abit TH7II - $138 (add $20 for RAID)
2x 256MB Samsung PC800 - $170 from <A HREF="http://www.computerhq.com" target="_new">ComputerHQ</A>
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz - $58
Lian-Li PC61+ (black) - $155
Teac 40/10/48 (black) - $104 (I didn't know they were that cheap :eek:  )
Lite-On 16x DVD (black) - $54
Antec 330w PSU - $50
Logitech cordless freedom optical (KB&mouse) - $79

That comes out to $936, and will even look kickass (black case, drives, keyboard and mouse). I assume he doesn't need a monitor and speakers, since his current system died? You can throw in your preferred network card/modem/tv tuner/whatever.

Sorry I didn't give you any recommendations before, I got confused with another similar thread.

EDIT:
You can get a higher P4 if you want, but the 1.6A is the best price/performance after overclocking. I added ComputerHQ because Newegg doesn't have Samsung PC800 in stock. A friend of mine got his motherboard from ComputerHQ, ordered two-day shipping and had it at his house within 24 hours.

<font color=blue>Hi mom!</font color=blue><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by FatBurger on 05/02/02 09:52 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 2, 2002 6:20:21 PM

Yeah, Fatburgers suggestion seems reasonable.
Although i went the intel route, just for a bit of balance it's worth mentioning that, without doing the maths, your budget probably will stretch to a dual-cpu athlon which i know both Premiere and Photoshop will use well. That said, and remember everyone that this is someone who probably will not care what the machinery IS underneath the plastic case, a dual cpu setup will not be twice as fast as the single CPU in it and will only work for specific applications.
So personally i'd still go with the fastest single CPU you can afford.

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May 2, 2002 9:57:47 PM

Actually though, that's a very good idea. The thought of going dual hadn't even crossed my mind. Newegg's site is giving me problems at the moment, but I'll throw out some prices for a dual Athlon setup when I get a chance.

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May 2, 2002 11:24:00 PM

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Actually though, that's a very good idea. The thought of going dual hadn't even crossed my mind. Newegg's site is giving me problems at the moment, but I'll throw out some prices for a dual Athlon setup when I get a chance.

Hi mom!



Ohhh nummy a dual athlon, theres where the performance lies, I suggest that route, it will not cost much more than a single p4, and you will have kickass performance.

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May 2, 2002 11:38:22 PM

i thought of dualies once...
but the only real advantages i could get out of it would be 2 cases of cure for cancer running simultaneously or my Divx Encoding.


maybe oneday.... hammmer?

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May 2, 2002 11:44:15 PM

And Newegg is working again (their layout change made me clear my cache before it would display properly, no clue why).
This would replace the P4, motherboard and RDRAM. I'll go ahead and throw in 1GB of DDR which will slightly skew the prices (since my earlier recommendation already had 512MB), but I wouldn't think that'd cause you too much grief).

Asus A7M266D retail - $217
4x 256MB Crucial ECC - $406.76 (from Crucial.com)
2x Athlon XP 1800+ MP - $362

And...holy crap, that's expensive. What'd I do wrong, Mat?
$250 more, not as bad as I thought. And you're still under budget if you don't need a monitor and speakers (as well as still being able to trim from other places if desired).

BTW, I don't feel comfortable recommending XPs for dual use, but someone else might have experience with that and be able to recommend that.

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May 2, 2002 11:54:42 PM

If you go to 512 megs of ram it comes out to only 50 or so more, which is more fair.


I would choose the dual over the p4 given the 50 buck premium simply because the apps he listed are dual enabled!

I have never used a dual rig myself though, perhaps kelledin can give more reccomendations.

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May 3, 2002 12:07:18 AM

Of course, you're absolutely right. You can tell it's the end of the day (and almost the week).

I'd agree, go for the dual (but keep 1GB of RAM, I should've put that much on the original system). Yahiko81 also has (had?) a dual MP system, and I know there have been plenty of others, dunno if they've stuck around or not.

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May 3, 2002 12:15:07 AM

How can you figure a $50 difference between the two systems. It's not even close! Really try to price out a AthlonMP system fully compared to a single P4 1.6, I dont understand your math at all.

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May 3, 2002 1:06:09 AM

Unless you're overclocking, then a MP1800+ would absolutely kill the 1.6A. Since it's also a dually, it'll be even better at some things. You have to compare apples to apples here. I could just say that a XP2000+ is more expensive than a Celeron 1GHz so he should go the Intel way. You have to compare comparable things.

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May 3, 2002 2:42:37 AM

Lol, I just used burgers numbers, didnt see he priced a whole system.


I would still go with the duals, the performance cant be beat.

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May 3, 2002 4:56:18 AM

It's $346 difference. I don't know how exactly the two of us reached that absurd conclusion, but I'm not going to worry about it too much.

The duallie would outperform the 1.6A for sure, but I'm not sure if it's worth the price difference (remember that there will be overclocking, I'm not sure about the overclockability of the duallie system). For most people the 1.6A would probably be the better choice, but the duallie would probably be best in this case. It also depends on whether or not a monitor and speakers is needed. Haven't heard back from the original poster about that.

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May 3, 2002 7:14:38 PM

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The duallie would outperform the 1.6A for sure, but I'm not sure if it's worth the price difference (remember that there will be overclocking, I'm not sure about the overclockability of the duallie system). For most people the 1.6A would probably be the better choice, but the duallie would probably be best in this case. It also depends on whether or not a monitor and speakers is needed. Haven't heard back from the original poster about that.


Im pretty sure that he would be able to overclock, also he dosent need mp chips(axps run in smp) and in fact I would reccomend he just get 2x 1800+ axps, that should bring the price down another 100$ and offer way better performance than the 1.6a@2.4.

200 more for way better performance, his call.

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May 4, 2002 4:06:18 AM

Here's an update on where I stand... based on input and reading other posts here, as well as at some other forums, including some digital video forums, I have decided to go with the Intel P4 platform, probably OCing a 1.6A for now.

So now my questions are... which motherboard should I go with? I am leaning towards DDR memory unless I hear a solid argument to go RIMM... seems the 2700/3000/3200 DDR modules are OCing quit well (leaning towards Corsair or Samsung). So what boards do folks recommend that have: fairly easy and high performance OCing, RAID, and 6+ USB ports (USB 2.0 support desired)? He would also like to have integrated audio and ethernet, but those are not required.

Thanks in advance for the continued great feedback!

--Carl
May 4, 2002 4:28:00 AM

Quote:
So now my questions are... which motherboard should I go with? I am leaning towards DDR memory unless I hear a solid argument to go RIMM... seems the 2700/3000/3200 DDR modules are OCing quit well (leaning towards Corsair or Samsung). So what boards do folks recommend that have: fairly easy and high performance OCing, RAID, and 6+ USB ports (USB 2.0 support desired)? He would also like to have integrated audio and ethernet, but those are not required.

If you are going to pair a p4 with ddr you havent been doing any research, sorry to say my friend.


Enjoy the p4 though.

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May 4, 2002 9:42:44 AM

Well, i'll simply repeat what i've written elsewhere as i think it's relevant. I guess if you wanted reviews of different motherboards and RAM, you can read them. If you come to a forum, you want personal experiences, no?
My MSI 645 Ultra with the P4 1.6A o/c with FSB 133 (and a little voltage increase) is perfectly stable (it has been at least for the month i've had it so far), and is around 3 times faster in real terms than the P3 733 i had previously, even with my PC 2100. SETI crunches a unit in around 3 to 3 1/2 hours, and rendering video no longer takes a whole night or 18 hours, but can be completed in only a few hours. I know that last thing is hardly scientific, but that's my experience.
What the board does not have though is USB 2.0, which although i have no devices to use it (i have a firewire card installed for camcorder) i would have liked it.
Onboard RAID would have been the other desirable.

So i guess this board probably wont be perfect for you, but i still dont regret my purchase.

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May 4, 2002 11:06:44 AM

it hurts me to say this burger butyou became quite the intel inthusiest.
maybe 2 much time defanding flamers on this forum..

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May 4, 2002 1:52:47 PM

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So now my questions are... which motherboard should I go with? I am leaning towards DDR memory unless I hear a solid argument to go RIMM... seems the 2700/3000/3200 DDR modules are OCing quit well (leaning towards Corsair or Samsung). So what boards do folks recommend that have: fairly easy and high performance OCing, RAID, and 6+ USB ports (USB 2.0 support desired)? He would also like to have integrated audio and ethernet, but those are not required.
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My 2$, Grab one of the Asus (SiS645) or (645DX chipset) DDR333 mem boards (no raid, USB 2, included though) Great performance and stability and good overclockers. You will defenitly get bang for the buck!
May 4, 2002 2:31:43 PM

Actually Matisro, the Asus P4S533 looks quite good, and it's an overclocking champ and it's faster than PC800 on an 850 chipset-based motherboard.

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May 4, 2002 3:38:33 PM

I didn't think that USB 2.0 was included in the Asus P4S333 or P4S533. And with the "533" number behind the P4S, does that kinda hint that this board will run run with the new 133 FSB P4 NW?

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May 4, 2002 4:20:18 PM

Yes, the Asus P4S533 officially supports the Northwood Bs with the 133MHz (533MHz Quad-pumped) FSB.

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May 4, 2002 4:28:54 PM

Get rdram, the price is very close or equal to ddr (depending on where you get it) and the performance is better.

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May 4, 2002 4:53:27 PM

Thx for the heads up. No its not included i forgot the "or" between raid and usb 2 :) 

< does that kinda hint that this board will run run with the new 133 FSB P4 NW? >

Yes it will, BTW you should be able to drop it in the SiS645 also. One of my boxes at work is running with SiS645(Asus PS333)1.8a @ 2.4ghz / 133fsb / 1.65v.
May 4, 2002 5:03:02 PM

Well, if he wants to get RDRAM, I'd suggest waiting a bit for PC1066. They are quite an improvement over the PC800. They'll run great if you couple it with a 533 FSB P4 and overclock!!

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May 4, 2002 5:06:39 PM

That depends, if your RDRAM can run at 533MHz (PC1066) then, yes, RDRAM will be faster. Otherwise, DDR will be faster on an SiS 645DX.

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