AMD vs Pentium

I,m new to this forum and I hope you can help me.
I want to buy a new pc and I have two under consideration. One has an AMD Athlon 1670 mhz processor,GeForce 4 MX420 graphics card and a firewire port;the other one has a Pentium 4 processor,GeForce 4 (?),Card shared with RAM and no firewire.Bearing in mind that my use is graphics processing using Photoshop 6.0,which is the better buy? Both are about the same price.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers,
Anne (in rainy London,UK)
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  1. Need more details about the P4 system. What clock speed for the P4, which GF4, and how is the RAM shared? No GF4s use shared RAM.

    Also, what's the price of each?

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  2. I'd go for the P4 system, but you might what to list the complete specs of both and let others look at it.

    the reason I'd go for the P4 is because of the better platform and the on going optimisations(by Adobe) for it.

    another reason is the fact that the P4 has an on chip complete thermal protection, in other words: if your system overheats it will just slow down until it cools, but this is very hard to do with the P4.

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  3. There's no way to pick from those two until we get more details.

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  4. Either are fine really. Still, make sure if you go PIV, get the northwood core version, designated P4a. Ditch the Gf4 MX, it's poor for the money compared to a Gf3 or a Gf4 Ti2400. If you go P4a, get PC-800 RDR, if you go AXP, make sure you get PC-266 or PC-333 DDR.

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  5. Thanks guys-I,m afraid I,m not very hardware savvy!
    AMD specs:AMD 2000+,1670mhz,256 DDR Ram,64Mb GeForce 4 MX420,Price £687.
    P4 specs:P4 2000mhz,256 DDR Ram,64Mb GeForce 4,(spec sheet says 'card shared with ram'-not sure what that means),Price£700.
    Both have 40Gb hdds and WinXP.I,m quite prepared to upgrade the graphics card to something more appropriate-just wondered if one processor has the edge over the other for PS editing.
    Thanks for your advice,
    Cheers,
    Anne
  6. Ack Don't get MX suckered unless you know that you WILL be upgrading shortly. Better to go with a R8500LE and get full DX8.x support. Also, what type of RAM for the P4? Definately want RDRAM or OCZ DDR400 on SiS645DX(or is it 745DX?). USB 2.0 > FW. Faster, more compatible(sp(3 hrs sleep in the last 48)), and soon to be much cheaper(as soon as 2.0 becomes standard, expect 10%+ pricedrop).


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  7. well if the P4 had RDRAM i might suggest that, but as its only got DDR i would go for the AMD system, but

    <font color=red>DONT GET THE GEFORCE 4 MX!</font color=red>

    i suggest a geforce3 TI200 64mb as a good alternative.

    do you know what motherboard it has???

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  8. One thing dont listen to Amdmeltdown he a A$$hole. And thing is. He thinks bashing will make amd look bad. But amd and intel at the same speed are about the same. Price would be what you are looking at.
  9. So Meltdown had a much more informative, helpful and flame-free post than you did, and he's the troll?

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  10. Yes burger, meltdown is a troll, one post which does not insult someone does not excuse his years of bullshit.

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  11. But being attacked following a helpful post is inexcusable, IMO. I don't care if it's Meltdown, buttpluginside, nomorelamers, or satan himself. I judge posts based on their merit, not by something that has no relevance at the time.

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  12. here's more info on the P4 and Adobe: <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200204/200204ps7_ms_intel.html" target="_new">http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200204/200204ps7_ms_intel.html</A>, Photoshop7 is shipping and includes even more P4 optimisations, also the price diff between the two systems is negligible and upgrading from mx to a gf4 will add to your cost if you decide on an Athlon system.

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  13. Yeah, I find that melty does post good posts, just he gets annoying sometimes when he flames and posts FUD. But you have to give him credit. He gives some good info. Don't judge a book by its cover. (don't know if that makes any sense in this case... :smile: ) Hopefully AMDMeltdown, you'll learn that your helpful posts are way better than when you post FUD... Hope you'll change some day.
  14. I dont care he a prick and everyone knows it.
  15. I'm not disagreeing, but there's no reason to drag down a thread for no reason. Don't stoop to his level.

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  16. Quote:
    I dont care he a prick and everyone knows it.


    AmdMELTDOWN...he a mean bad man...he no like me...he bad man...he a prick-he say bad bad thing...he speak bad on AMD...he message in tall letter always...he bad man he bad man...he say to me bad bad thing...he bad he not nice he bad.

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  17. Melty,

    I agree with FB. However you just don't do justice for the Bapu from Sinfeld type response.

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  18. I would go with the P4 because they are more expensive, slower, more difficult to upgrade (due to sockets changing) and generally come with poor chipsets.

    no but seriously the P4 sticker that comes on the case is worth the premium, it is much nicer than a green athlon xp sticker.

    I need a 1.5 Ghz Athlon + 512mb ddr ram to write emails......honestly
  19. I can't beleive Melty would change to another nick just to terrorize.

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  20. I totally agree, I mean I'd pay at least $100 for that sticker alone. I mean it's make by Intel. Wait, it's probably made by some slave laborer somewhere...
  21. Are you guys talking of the one on the chip itself? Other than the damn reviewer sites that remove it, I have to admit from the pics I saw, it's really attractive!

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  22. im reading the same post as you are, his post was not informative it was missleading!
    i dont know whats up with you, its not like you to stick up for trolls..

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  23. Quote:
    I would go with the P4 because they are more expensive, slower, more difficult to upgrade (due to sockets changing) and generally come with poor chipsets.


    Hey, thanks for trolling. Care to try again?

    Quote:
    I can't beleive Melty would change to another nick just to terrorize.


    He didn't, there's a thread in the Other section about it. Jake75 started that account, then gave the password so anyone can use it.

    Quote:
    Are you guys talking of the one on the chip itself?


    I think they're talking about the case badge, not the IHS.

    Quote:
    im reading the same post as you are, his post was not informative it was missleading!


    The only thing he said that wasn't fact was that the P4 is a better platform. That's opinion, and even Meltdown is entitled to one.

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    i dont know whats up with you, its not like you to stick up for trolls..


    I'll stick up for anyone who is being treated unfairly, no matter who it is.

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  24. "Hey, thanks for trolling. Care to try again?"

    Excuse me, but i am allowed my own opinions, you have no right to accuse me of 'trolling', you may not agree with me, which is fair enough, but you can not accuse me of trolling, or did you find the sarcastic tone of my opinions not to your liking so choose to have a go at me? whatever, you can not write things like that.

    plus i think that a lot of people would agree that P4s are slow FOR THEIR PRICE which was the point of my statement

    I need a 1.5 Ghz Athlon + 512mb ddr ram to write emails......honestly
  25. ahh, I don't think any right minded person would agree with you. Yes, you are trolling.

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  26. Thanks, AMD_Man.

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  27. Hes a troll, sorry hammer, cant touch this!

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  28. amd athlon 2000 is £155 (with heatsink and fan)
    intel P4 2000A is £242 (no heatsink or fan)

    (www.dabs.com)

    99% of people arent bothered with overclocking

    thus i believe i am right, i cant see anything wrong with that (£242 is more than £155 isnt it?), also athlon marginally out performs P4A.

    i believe calling people trolls for expressing their opinion is trolling, dont you agree?, if the statement is designed to annoy someone or start an arguement then fair enough, but in this case i am expressing an opinion which i strongly believe (the above numbers speak for themselves), i am not provocing anyone deliberately.


    I need a 1.5 Ghz Athlon + 512mb ddr ram to write emails......honestly
  29. Give it up, everybody is against you on this one. Even Matisaro, and he's a diehard AMD fan.

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  30. i am way above this and i believe you lot are as well,

    i will prove i am no troll by not argueing with you and just leaving

    goodbye

    I need a 1.5 Ghz Athlon + 512mb ddr ram to write emails......honestly
  31. Quote:
    and he's a diehard AMD fan.


    I am not a fan of either company, I call them as I see them, right now I like the athlon better, and am more excited about the hammer future. If I had not felt not like reinstalling windows when I fried my motherboard I would have got a northwood instead of another athlon kg7 raid combo.

    I have nothing against intel whatsoever.

    Sometimes I am stuck debating the technical issues pro amd however cause we dont have any technical people who are pro amd(cept for atmos and texas techie), and we spend alot of time countering raystonn!

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  32. Sorry hammer, I meant to say trolling.

    The post was kind of a troll, you cant just make statements without justifying them, no matter if they are right or not.


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  33. IMO, you're a diehard AMD fan, but you're not a fanboy or troll. I have nothing against someone who always recommends one product over another as long as they state their reasons and keep an open mind. Crash despises Via, and I disagree with him, but I respect his opinion on the subject because he's talked about his experiences and isn't just some close-minded zealot.

    There's nothing wrong with being a fan or even biased, as long as you have good reasons and can back them up. It's the people that say "Intel is best, because it has the most MHz" and don't even know what clockspeed really is, or the ones you say "The Athlon is a better core then the P4 because it has a higher IPC" and then say "The G4 sucks because it has a low clockspeed". Those are the people that bother me. Not because of their preferences, but because they have no clue what they're talking about, why they're saying what they are, and/or simply don't listen to other people's reasoning.

    EDIT:
    "diehard" can be too easily misinterpreted, that was poor choice of words on my part.

    <font color=blue>Hi mom!</font color=blue><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by FatBurger on 05/02/02 04:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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