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May 6, 2002 7:48:25 AM

Maybe cause you have to pay 3 times as much for the p4 than the athlon, those benchmarks dont look 3 times as fast.

You live for this kind of thing dont you meltdown.

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May 6, 2002 1:19:04 PM

For Christ's sake, quit it with the capitals! Didn't you ever learn English grammer?
The first letter in a sentence is capitalized, as well as proper nouns and place names, among others. For example:

I live in Sweden.

See? It's not that hard.


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May 6, 2002 2:04:10 PM

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Maybe cause you have to pay 3 times as much for the p4 than the athlon, those benchmarks dont look 3 times as fast.

You live for this kind of thing dont you meltdown.

shutup and go away mongrel, you are not welcomed in this thread.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
May 6, 2002 2:27:36 PM

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shutup and go away mongrel, you are not welcomed in this thread.

To borrow one of FatBurger's quotes, who died and made you queen? You're not exactly welcome on this forum, but that doesn't stop you from posting here. :tongue:

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May 6, 2002 2:28:59 PM

I am sorry but:

1) I have not seen any note saying "list of people that are not welcomed".
2) If someone disagree does not allow you to treat people as you do.
3) Even I am pro-AMD, the fact is that Intel has take the lead in performance (since Northwood). But on the other hand AMD is still the better bang for the buck option. I only hope Hammer can bring back AMD to position 1; meanwhile I think Tbred and Barton are more a short term response, to mantain AMD in the race, but always in a second position.

As for me, I am more a limited budged buyer than top of performance (no matter price) buyer. So I will still be and AMD costumer.

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May 6, 2002 3:39:51 PM

i just like amd because of its costing and performance...
i have always had an amd since i was into pcs... i started with a 120+ intel chip, but it just didnt chop the mustard, then i had a k6 2 @ 450, then a duron 650 clocked to 866 and then a thunderbird 1ghz clocked to 1.4ghz.. next, i have no idea what i will end up with, but im sure it will at least be a xp cpu @ minimum of a 1.47ghz...
i hate intel for cost and the way the dominate the benchmarks as everything is optimized for them... i hope that some day the benchmarks and programs are someday optimized for amd cpus and then we will see who is the best and fastest... i have my suspisions..

if all else fails... kick it and if it goes wrong, say it wasnt you...
May 6, 2002 4:05:55 PM

AMDmeltdown do you sit at home and look at intel posters while jacking off? "Oh ya Intel, give it to me baby, gimme your silicon, oh ya baby" ... oh melty you are such a monkey beater! You know what obsessed people such as yourself is called don't ya? Give ya a hint, begins with "scitzo".

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May 6, 2002 4:27:07 PM

Who's you daddy ?!...huh ?! WHO'S YOUR DADDY ??!...Yeah thats right INTEL's your daddy !....Punk ! OH YEAH !!..say hello to your daddy.

Sometimes you just have to let it all out. :eek: 

P.S That was directed at Meltdown not you xxsk8er101xx.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mr_gobbledegook on 05/06/02 12:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 6, 2002 4:42:46 PM

Wow, really can't disagree with that argument. I happen to be an AMD man (XP 2000) but the operative quote in that comparisson is "the P4/2533 ran stably at 2800 MHz with a standard CPU cooler." Please don't flame me for this but with Intel prices coming down and OC results like that, AMD better get on their horse.
May 6, 2002 4:53:20 PM

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But on the other hand AMD is still the better bang for the buck option.


At stock clocks, yes.

I like how every hardware site on the intarweb is toting the 133(533) P4, but pretty much all Northwood owers have been running at 133 or higher since they got it :lol: 

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May 6, 2002 5:58:29 PM

Yes, the Athlon got spanked hard, but personally I think you're the real loser here.

Let us know when you get your $700 P4 btw. Since you're yapping so hard about it, you must be ready to throw down cash for it right?

<font color=red>God</font color=red> <font color=blue>Bless</font color=blue> <font color=red>America!</font color=red>
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May 6, 2002 9:12:04 PM

The best bang for the buck is ALWAYS found with overclocking, in this case the 1.6A overclock to at least 2400MHz. The overclocked AMD in that comparison at 1918MHz (far and beyond typical overclocking) can't touch it. Similar prices, but the overclocked P4 waste the overclocked Athlon. Time for AMD to DO SOMETHING!

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
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May 6, 2002 9:13:36 PM

Your assesment is correct, but your presentation leaves much to be desired!

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
May 6, 2002 9:18:14 PM

Dammit, now I'm going to lay awake tonight trying to remember what that's from.

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May 6, 2002 10:26:28 PM

This guy is always after AMD, he just wants attention, ignore him. He´s probably a real lowlife with no friends to give him attention, so he has to make stupid posts in here to get some!

If the world didn´t suck, we´d fall off!
May 6, 2002 10:27:16 PM

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Maybe cause you have to pay 3 times as much for the p4 than the athlon, those benchmarks dont look 3 times as fast.

Sorry that logic doesn't work in the computer industry, you always pay a premium for the highest clocked chip.

<i>My life wasn't complete untill I tried sse-2 optimized pong</i>
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May 6, 2002 10:48:37 PM

Wow, you mean some famous script writer thinks like me?

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
May 6, 2002 10:49:11 PM

You know, you should also take note that AMD's XP chips were better than the .18 micron P4's. Intel was forced to change chipsize to .13 just to beat AMD's processors.. To see what i'm talking about, check out the link on the top of the page and compare the XP 2000 to the old P4 2GHZ to the new p4 2GHZ. I'd really like to see this same comparison when Tbred comes out.

Jesus may save, but <i>I</i> invest.
May 6, 2002 11:15:06 PM

Now you're just teasing me :frown:

<font color=blue>Hi mom!</font color=blue>
May 7, 2002 12:16:32 AM

Good to hear from you Intel_inside, havnt seen ya around in a while. There is no doubt AMD got spanked with this latest release.
As far as an overclocked Intel being a better value than AMD. I think less than 2% of computer owners overclock. I never have, and I may not ever. Unless a huge percentage of people start overclocking, that argument is moot - as overclockers dont affect the bottom line of either company.
The greatest battles are yet to come. It was a foregone conclusion that Norhtwood would kick ass once it matured. It has - now it does. Can wait to donate a kidney to pay for one -- sorry, had to get at least one jab in there :) 

Benchmarks are like sex, everybody loves doing it, everybody thinks they are good at it.
May 7, 2002 12:27:20 AM

I'm seeing a lot of stores sell P4 1.6A and P4 1.8A at 2.13GHz or 2.4GHz respectively and they're guaranteeing them to run perfectly at those speeds.

:wink: <b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b> :wink:
May 7, 2002 12:33:38 AM

Define " a lot " - since garaunteeing a chip means providing warranty work. Something "a lot" of stores dont want to do with overclocked anything.

Benchmarks are like sex, everybody loves doing it, everybody thinks they are good at it.
May 7, 2002 12:44:58 AM

hehe, 2 or 3 online stores on the net. I don't even recall the urls. In any case, 99.99% of P4 1.6A should reach at least 2.13GHz with 100% stability.

:wink: <b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b> :wink:
May 7, 2002 12:57:45 AM

the P4 A really hasnt achieved market penetration here yet. but its getting there.
still see FAR too many socket 423 willies around :frown:
especially with sdram.




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May 7, 2002 1:14:57 AM

If you say so, but then I want YOU to go buy that chip, then tell me. Since you are Canadian or live here, then please go enjoy buying at beautiful screwed up CDN dollar chips. The thing, and I am 100% sure WILL cost 900-1000$ CDN, whether you think it will or not. It's not only a new chip, it has a new bus, new RAM and a new chipset, PLUS a new mobo. In Canadian, that translates to an average AMD system, with a kickass Radeon 8500 or Ti200. So please review that judgement, no one here likes to pay premium, if they can get better out of a lower clock stock CPU OR an overclocked CPU that reaches 2.4GHZ almost anytime, for the same price as the other stocked lower clocked CPU.

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May 7, 2002 1:35:03 AM

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but your presentation leaves much to be desired!

I don't know about that, I think I got this down to a science, even while rushing it.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
May 7, 2002 1:44:38 AM

Please tell us you at least have a girlfriend. This troll thing is fine I suppose, if that's what floats your boat, but I really hope you're getting some lovin' in the flesh as well.

This isn't a substitution for your love life is it?

<font color=red>God</font color=red> <font color=blue>Bless</font color=blue> <font color=red>America!</font color=red>
May 7, 2002 1:45:59 AM

Your wright Eden,and yet they still sell some...when the 2.4 came out I was selling it at 965$ to the stores,add the markup and you got your street price,still manadge to sell about 20 of them in the first week (I am 1 sellman in an office that have over 30...)go figure it out...I can't ,but it's good money for me :smile:

<font color=red>I justed launch my squad of flying killer beavers at you,your doOOoomed!! :tongue: </font color=red>
May 7, 2002 1:46:45 AM

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For Christ's sake, quit it with the capitals! Didn't you ever learn English grammer?
The first letter in a sentence is capitalized, as well as proper nouns and place names, among others. For example:

I live in Sweden.

do you know the difference between a sentence and a frontpage headline? read up.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
May 7, 2002 2:04:04 AM

...ah yes we all forgot, Meltdown loves Time Magazine's big front page caps..... :lol: 

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May 7, 2002 2:44:04 AM

Anyone got a virus they can send melty to disable his caps? anyone?

I love it when something new comes from either company. Both sides always say the same thing.
1. ours is still cheaper if you overclock
2. yours is so FRIGGIN expensive
3. yeah but ours has a better price performance ratio
4. Ours is faster
5. IPC is what matters
6. Our benches say it all

Anyway, the battle continues.. Ill wait until the 533mhz boards and memory can be bought at a reasonable price and then i might invest, mainly cuz it looks like a decent setup.

Benchmarks are like sex, everybody loves doing it, everybody thinks they are good at it.
May 7, 2002 7:21:44 AM

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For Christ's sake, quit it with the capitals! Didn't you ever learn English grammer?
The first letter in a sentence is capitalized, as well as proper nouns and place names, among others. For example:


What, you mean my sig>? The words are capitolized for a reason, do I go and try to teach you sweedish>? Thanks for the concern.

:wink: The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark :wink:
May 7, 2002 10:56:42 AM

I can't get Weird Al Yankovic's "It's all about the Pentiums" out of my head now.

Wasn't it AMDMeltdown who said that Intel must be better than AMD because Weird Al wrote a parody involving their chips? Looks like, for once, AMDMeltdown has been vindicated.

Damn, that is depressing. I suppose every pissant has his day, and Melty got his. Savour the moment, AMDMeltdown... they are few and far between for the likes of you. Here's a poem:

Melty, Melty,
Melty, Melty,
Melty, Melty,
Melty, Melty.

I would have put other words in that poem, but that would have degraded them.

Sigh. What goes through Melty's mind? Actually, I don't want to know. The thought that he is Intel's bitch is scary enough. "Who's your daddy? I'm your daddy! You know why I'm your daddy? 'Cause I did this to your motherboard! That's right! Your motherboard! Your ram sucks but your mommaboard is sweeeeeet."

Scary.

I think this has to be the most pointless post yet. Appropriate, since it is under a pointless thread. Am I going insane? Maybe. The voices in my head tell me no, but I don't listen to them much.

What's that?

No, no I can't kill Melty. That wouldn't be nice. That would be like putting down one of those annoying little silky terriers that do nothing but yap and snap, but when confronted with any sort of opposition, they yelp and run... it's not their fault, it's just the way they are. Melty and the silky terriers. Maybe Melty owns a silky terrier. That is one silky terrier I would feel sorry for. Lord knows what he subjects it to. Torture, weird Intel-worshiping rituals, sodomy. Somehow I don't think being sodomised by Melty would bother a silky much... probably wouldn't bother a chihuahua much either. Hell it probably wouldn't bother a mouse much if he used enough J-lube.

Or maybe he paints Intel logos on his silky terrier and... no. I don't think so... I don't think a silky would humiliate itself by stooping that low.

Melty, Melty, Melty. How I long to meet you, just so I can point my finger at you and laugh. Or cry. Or cry laughing. Then I would point at your mother and berate her soundly for allowing a degenerate such as yourself to survive. Should have been strangled by your umbilical cord, you should have. Choked and writhed inside your mother and then miscarried in a puddle of expulsed placental tissue. Melty, the melted foetus.

Whoo... damn, I've turned mean there. Sorry about that. I'm sure your mother loves you. I'm sure she loves you good. And I'm sure you love her too. Cling to her, Melty... she may be the only friend you have in the entire world. Visit her now and then in the old folks home. She'll appreciate it. Get out of that basement flat you live in and breathe some fresh air, get some sun. You need sun to get that vitamin D working, you know. Bones will go wonky on you if you don't. You'll end up looking as pale and twisted as your mentality if you don't.

I think I have crapped on enough.

It was fun, Melty. We will not have to do this again sometime.

Ozzie.

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I plugged my ram into my motherboard, but unplugged it when I smelled cooked mutton.
May 7, 2002 5:24:08 PM

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<i>texas_techie says:</i>
As far as an overclocked Intel being a better value than AMD. I think less than 2% of computer owners overclock. I never have, and I may not ever. Unless a huge percentage of people start overclocking, that argument is moot - as overclockers dont affect the bottom line of either company.


But a decent percentage of people who visit this board do, or are willing to start. Therefore, it's a valid point.

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What, you mean my sig>? The words are capitolized for a reason, do I go and try to teach you sweedish>? Thanks for the concern.


No, I think he was talking to Meltdown.

<font color=blue>Hi mom!</font color=blue>
May 7, 2002 8:33:38 PM

Hrm, well I'll just say that the performance increase was not what I expected. Really not like the conversion of Athlon's from 100MHz to 133MHz. Granted, Intel handicapped the CPU by not supporting PC1066, which makes no sense to me whatsoever. And at Anandtech, the did a % gain chart of the increase with having PC1066, and while it's not great, compared to a 400MHz NW, it's about equal to the AMD 100->133 conversion. Someone please explain why Intel didn't at least build support for PC1066 into the chipset? Yes PC1066 is still expensive, but nothing is forcing people to use it instead of PC800. Hell, people still pair NWs with SDRAM for goodness sake! What a world we live in.

-SammyBoy
May 7, 2002 8:56:17 PM

I too at some point did not see the big increase I thought there would be with 800 more MBs/sec or lower latency, and 133MHZ more FSB. With AMD, 66MHZ more to the DDR FSB, held all wonders.
It's PC1200 that has the real potential in the horizon.

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May 8, 2002 3:27:58 AM

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I too at some point did not see the big increase I thought there would be with 800 more MBs/sec or lower latency, and 133MHZ more FSB. With AMD, 66MHZ more to the DDR FSB, held all wonders. It's PC1200 that has the real potential in the horizon.

Here's a breakdown of the benefit of the faster FSB and memory. Percentage gain from 2400/100/400 to 2400/133/533 in each of Tom's benchmarks:

Quake 3: 13%, 4%, 12%, 12%
3D Mark 2000: 5%
3d Mark 2001 SE: 4%
mp3 Maker: 1%
Divx Pro: 2%
Pinnacle Studio: 2%
SiSoft Sandra: who cares
PC Mark 2002: 0%
Newtek Lightwave: 1%
Cinema 4D: 0%
Sysmark 2002: 2%, 2%, 2%
WinACE: 15%
3D Studio Max: 0%

Most negligible but a few were significant. In other words, 400 MHz memory doesn't bottleneck the P4 yet except in very memory intensive cases.

Ritesh
May 8, 2002 5:15:47 AM

Yes, but the P4A at .13 micron also went to 512K cache. The XP going to .13 micron retains it's current 384K cache and so will improve less.

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To the gentleman in the pink Tutu
May 8, 2002 12:00:23 PM

Don't confuse L1 AND L2 against a P4 with L1 and L2 but mentioning P4's L2 only! Technically, P4 has 520KB cache, vs Athlon's 384KB. But Athlons have 256KB L2.

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May 8, 2002 4:01:49 PM

What he's saying is true, though. The P4's L2 changed with Northwood, and nothing is changing like that with the XP.

<font color=blue>Hi mom!</font color=blue>
May 8, 2002 7:20:49 PM

technicaly you are correct, however I wasn't too concerned about trying to remember how much L1 cache P4B had, and I'm still comfortable saying 512K over 520K. As FB says, my point is still valid.

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To the gentleman in the pink Tutu
May 8, 2002 7:59:48 PM

I wouldn't disagree with that, I was actually correcting the technical part in the cache, and not the process differences. So I agree on what didn't change, but your statement of the amount of cache was not well specified.

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May 9, 2002 3:05:02 AM

If you provide me with the funds, I'll buy the chip

<i>My life wasn't complete untill I tried sse-2 optimized pong</i>
May 9, 2002 7:59:34 AM

What a criminal.

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November 3, 2006 4:30:13 PM

Funny how times haven't changed!
November 3, 2006 4:41:14 PM

Wow, that review surprises me. I thought a dual core would do better then a quad core. ::note sarcasm::

Of course AMD got it's clock cleaned. The real competition will be 4x4 vs. Intel quad core. But even then, if I can get comparable or better performance using HALF the ram and only one processor, I'm going with Intel.

The real issue isn't Intel Quad Core vs. AMD dual core. The real issue is that AMD 4x4 won't out perform Intel (in my estimation) and AMD 4x4 will cost WAY MORE.
November 3, 2006 5:07:45 PM

History repeats itself.

I think Technology Coordinator might have missed the fact this is a 4-year old thread you drudged up, lol. ;) 
November 3, 2006 5:19:40 PM

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I think Technology Coordinator might have missed the fact this is a 4-year old thread you drudged up, lol. ;) 


ROFLCOPTER

You don't think that. You KNOW that. I thought he was talking about the latest review of Core 2 Quad Duo Qudro 4 Q6700 Quad Duo.
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