AMD IS FALTERING!!!

on the new emulators updated on 5/6/02

<A HREF="http://www.emulators.com/docs/pentium_4.htm" target="_new">http://www.emulators.com/docs/pentium_4.htm</A>

no surprises that the emulator dude had to pull his original report due to AMDmongrels attacking him on all levels.

on the hammer:

<i>AMD's marketing dweebs are falsely trying to tie in the addition of 64-bit code support with the idea that your existing code will run faster. Well, I've read AMD's 64-bit white paper on the Hammer and I can tell you why the Hammer will run 32-bit code faster than today's Athlon: it has a larger on-chip cache, it has better set associativity of that cache line, and it has a faster memory bus. Duh. This has nothing to do with architectural changes, this is simply "tweaking" a few things that Intel already tweaked in the Pentium 4 months ago</i>

on the P4:

<i>Our benchmarks contain a side-by-side comparison of identical or nearly identical computer systems from last year and this year, running last year's SoftMac 8.02 product with today's SoftMac Xpress 8.20 product. By working around some of the problems in the Pentium 4 (such as using less bit shifting instructions, using less code, and other secrets we figured out) we managed to squeeze gains of 100% or more in some tests. Most of the increases are seen on the Pentium 4, but our changes benefit all processors. </i>

you see old dogs do learn new tricks! hehe.

on the p3-s:

<i>Given the past performance where the Pentium III is usually equal to or slightly slower than an Athlon, I was pleasantly surprised to see the Pentium III-S using DDR memory exceed that expectation. When over-clocked to 1.53 GHz, the Pentium III tied or beat the Athlon XP 1900 in 17 of the 22 tests. 1.53 GHz Pentium III vs. 1.60 GHz Athlon, both using the same amount of DDR memory, the same Windows XP operating system, running the same emulation code, the Pentium III is faster.</i>

LOL! a p3 reaming a AXP 1900 Jerry Sanders virtual PR speed!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"

who gives a crap? Only you, poor boy. why don't you go sit in a corner and talk about this with yourself?

<font color=red><b>Don't take life too seriously.... You won't get out of it alive.</font color=red></b>

AMDMeltdown is a hypocrite! When the "emulator dude" said that AMD processors ruled, AMDMeltdown said that he was biased. Now, he links to them.

<b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b>

What, are you going to start posting links from Van's Hardware or AMDZone next?

<font color=blue>Hi mom!</font color=blue>

Dude, just shut up!, why do you care so much about the war between AMD and Intel, both are great companies and each have their goods and their bads, but jeez, you must be compensating for something if you think you need to act like that.

If an orange was driving a racecar would it peel out? www.jxfiles.com

He may be hypocrite, but if you read the emulator's article. You would notice that that emulator dude is right. And nothing can change that.

When I was reading the article I was surprised to see the behavior AMD users gave that dude when he tried to say something bad about AMD CPU's. And I think that's no way of treating someone who is trying to state his openion.

I wonder how many threat melty gets?

KG

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates.

I think intel wears the processor crown again!

<i>My life wasn't complete untill I tried sse-2 optimized pong</i>

Hehe. You know what the irony is: I still think AMD and Intel are both excellent processors and neither has the technological advantage. Intel has the performance advantage at the moment, but that doesn't justify bashing AMD or Intel. I think both AMD and Intel are great companies and I'm getting a P4 1.6A or 1.8A for now and a ClawHammer around this time next year when it has matured a bit.

<b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b>

Well, Eden, it basically is like religion. There are many religious zealots who think only THEIR religion is the one TRUE religion. They even go to war over their religious beliefs.

With the modern/Western world's general departure from religious zealotry, there are other things for people to be over zealous about.. CPU's, politics, gender, sports, etc.

So, CPU *wars* are just one more thing for people to release their excess zeal and fervor.

Mark-

<font color=blue>When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!</font color=blue>

you go girl!

[insert philosophical statement here]

mmmm not bad.

my Hamster rates this thread 7.3 on the 'crap-o-meter'

and ive just got a freepost

Today on Toms: Trisexual hamsters, anal applications of peanut butter and Marrage councilling!

yeah true.

but as i read yesterday:
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it is utter crap"

Today on Toms: Trisexual hamsters, anal applications of peanut butter and Marrige councilling!

oooo
what a wonderful idea.


Today on Toms: Trisexual hamsters, anal applications of peanut butter and Marrige councilling!

...but it's so biased and such a stretch from the truth that it's almost libel!

<b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b>

I dont hate AMD, the competition is good for prices and consumers.

to everyone else:

Once again, Thanks Meltdown for updating us with a post direct from a die hard AMD fan who has changed to Intel.

This was a long debated topic the lemmings exploited on this forum as defact proof that AMD was better.

Who gives a crap about emulators anyway? like you want to run OS8.x on your PC at the speed of a 604e with less compatability?

The guy from emulators is smart, and knows his [-peep-] about programming and platform architecture, but he writes articles that seem to get a warm reception on this forum to put it nicely.

Send him a email and tell him what you think. he wants to hear from you. He will respond in depth.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.

I also dont hate AMD just jerry Sanders and is X87-64 idea sorry why not move on IA-64 so we can kill X87 before it too late.(PK)

cheap, cheap. Think cheap, and you'll always be cheap.AMD version of semi conducteur industrie

you'r mom is faltering

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because it cost more? How about that? How about you having to buy all new software (which doesn't exist yet)?

I got an idea, since your so rich you go buy the itanium and buy all new software which will be high priced and also there are very few software that supports it. It would be worst then buying a mac dude! At least the mac has MS Office! You want your itanium warcraft 3 ha good luck! Or, doom 3 for itanium good luck finding it. So ya you go buy it and ponder where all the software is and i'll sit back and play doom 3 and war3 and moo3 and all the cool games while running cool development software like VS.Net in the coming months.



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Which is completely different from having to buy new software that's recompiled for 64-bit support for Hammer.

<font color=blue>Hi mom!</font color=blue>

u forget the hammer is also compatible with current software (read 32bit compatible).

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hmmm ... up to you .. i guess AMD could surgicaly remove the 64bit side of things on the hammer and charge the same.
*confused*

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Dump.

cheap, cheap. Think cheap, and you'll always be cheap.AMD version of semi conducteur industrie

bingo ... same reason, why do you need a 1400mhz computer to browse the web, email and word?

just the hammer in my opinion would make it easier to go to 64bit software... but even when hammer is released it'll be awhile before you see 64bit software ... but eventually thats all there will be is 64bit software. just like the transtion from 16bit to 32bit software. of course this is only my educated opinion so treat it as that, an opinion.



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Why would I pay more for a 64-bit cpu if Ill never use the 64-bit part?

1. It has on-die memory controller which eliminates FSB latency
2. It supports mobos that will have hypertransport and PCI-X
3. AMD is selling 32 along with 64 to control cost. They dont have the R&D or fab space to make two separate chips. So you take 32, and you get 64 as well. Its a package deal and i dont mind it.
4. Down the road, i can transisition to 64-bit if I wanted (and not have to pay an insane premium for a 64-bit only cpu)
5. Hammer has an extended pipe, better TLBs, improved data prefecting & a heat spreader (finally).

The Hammer is NOT the second coming or anything. But I think it will be a competitive chip at a reasonable price (after quantities ship anyway). But none of us are enterprise users or large OEM buyers - so why are we arguing about 64-bit anyway?

Benchmarks are like sex, everybody loves doing it, everybody thinks they are good at it.

I'd give anything to get a 64-bit WinXP for the ClawHammer! I'd even be willing to pay 100% more than WinXP Home to get 64-bit OS support. I'm sure there will be more market demand for a 64-bit WinXP for the Home PC than there was for a 32-bit Windows when the 386 was released.

<b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b>