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I keep hearing about something happening in two to four weeks with the tbreds... is that when they come out or is that when stores recieve them or what? also,if there is a jump in performance, will the it be enough to be worth waiting this long?

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ROFL, just a few more weeks!

According to AMD the Tbred is released... the Moblile version. so whats the problem?

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.

~ if there is a jump in performance, will the it be enough to be worth waiting this long? ~

Tbred is predominantly a reduction in die size. Which means there will be no big performance change like the Northwood. It will however allow for cooler running, greater ability to OC and the gradual release of faster factory clocked processors.

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A reduction in die size will allow for higher clock speeds. Therefore, I would conclude that one would see a fairly significant increase in performance.

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AMD have been constantly delaying the launch of Tbred and I have to say I am not in the least impressed. AMD better get thier act together like now.

First they said Q1, then they said April now it looks like it won't be released until end of May/June. By that time Intel will already have thier new Celerons and 2.6Ghz P4 avaliable.

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So would I...but AMD are losing thier competitive performance streak which is what hardcore CPU get thier kicks from.

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Actually amd has always said 2nd quarter, the dates you speak of were all rumors. The roadmap is pretty clear imo.

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thanks for the info.. i was just wondering because i want to build my computer soon and i was wondering if it would be worth it to wait.

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In a way, it's us who are guilty of creating our own dates, sticking to them and then finding out it's not true, therefore we got angry at AMD when THEY did not do a thing different from their target date!
We created guilt with guilt.

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There will be no increase in performance until Tbred is released in excess of 2100+

Overclocking is just about the same.

AMD was bragging about the high yields and superior silicon but everyone is asking where is it?

I expected the Northwood B at the same time as Tbred. Maybe its a new marketing startagy.

You are limited to what your mind can perceive.

~ There will be no increase in performance until Tbred is released in excess of 2100+ ~

I concur

~ Overclocking is just about the same. ~

Utter rubbish, if it didn't OC better then why would they even produce it. To get past 2100+ they...duh dah... overclock!!!

~ AMD was bragging about the high yields and superior silicon but everyone is asking where is it? ~

The name of the game in a recession is to reduce inventory as every tech company in the world has been doing. AMD must clear the channel before releasing the next product to achieve a quick transition just like Intel did with the Northwood.

~ I expected the Northwood B at the same time as Tbred. Maybe its a new marketing startagy. ~

Quite possibly, both companies are competing hard.

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I was anticipating it also....No early benchmarks or anything? And the more I hear about it, the less appeal it has to me. No real Big performance gains? WTF is that? Wheres the appeal? Less heat is that attractive? And with the current prices of Athlons, what will the tbreds price at? Theyre cheaper to make .... $50 for a +2100?

I sold my sig for $50.

barton and hammer?? Anyone have a link to where I can read about all of this CPU info hehe I am completly lost on all of the barton and hammer and T-Bred

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A tbred is a .13 micron axp, it will be able to clock higher and have no clock per clock performance enhancements.

A barton is a .13 micron axp with 512k l2 cache, it will clock as high as a tbred and offer more performance per clock due to the larger cache.

The hammer is the k8 it offers on die memory controler, and tons of other nice stuff, it should debut this year at pr 3400 (according to latest rumor) it will require a new motherboard(both the tbred and barton will run on current axp motherboards.)

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At the moment, yes. But Tbred isn't here yet, and Clawhammer is supposed to be out end of this year/beginning of next. Doesn't leave Barton a whole lot of room, lots of people are thinking they might cut Barton off the roadmap. And since they dropped SOI from Barton, it's not a bad idea.

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I would disagree with you they should just cut T-Bred since it won't add any preformance increase. Barton will at least close some gap between P4 and XP. So it would make sense to cut T-bred rather then barton.

KG

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates.

Yes, but Barton is still being developed, T-bread is already being produced in some form. I believe it hit the Mobile market reciently.

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I have yet to see a mobile processor with T-bred core. More I look at it more it seems like they did a paper launch. I may need to look hard to find out where people can go buy this T-bred core Mobile but they practically don't exists.

KG

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates.

Mat that road map was updated several times already. Saying it was rumor for the release date of the t-bred is pretty stupid they told investors when the Northwood came so would the t-bred. I for one don’t see it, so don’t create excuses for AMD it’s pointless.

They did it to themselves trying to undercut Intel. It didn’t work as planned and they operated at a loss again. This caused them to close down a few fabs, which in turn slowed down their progress to 0.13µ. Now they have come to the cross roads of core limitations and production wafer change over difficulties with dwindling financial reserves, and with all 2 FABS in operation and 15% less man power at their disposal, they will have a extremely difficult time in competition with Intel. But the deal with UMC for the new Singapore FAB they might fair better under Intel’s increasing market saturation "program". Especially with Intel’s 13 soon to be 14 FABS churning out CPU’s soon it will be cheaper to sub out all production of CPU’s like NVIDIA does with their GPU’s and all that for AMD to remain competitive with Intel.

Also Mat please don’t blame September 11th on the whole “well AMD had to” story I have been hearing. You Americans need to realize that incident didn’t do too much to your economy. It’s the fact that America is getting lazier.

Look at our 4 dead soldiers cause one of your pilots can’t tell the difference from the training field and base camp, and the whole no apology from your government is just disgusting and then to top it off you raise tariffs on us again. Kind of funny how the American government treats its allies, like the dirt they are trying to kill off in the Middle East. Your president must be too busy to issue a formal apology to Canada but still finds the time to damage the United States relations with other nations. Oh my two cents are all used up.

-Jeremy


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I could be absolutely wrong, but it appears you are expressing anti-American sentiment for Americans in general. I'm too busy to pay attention to the news, so I am completely uncertain about which events you are reffering to. I agree completely that the American government should treat its allies and neutral countries with dignity and respect. If the American government has wronged your people, then a formal apology plus appropriate compensation would most likely be the most desirable outcome. However, as an American, it appears you are not only upset with the American government, but with the American people as well (including me). Again, I could have misinterpreted the intent of your post, but it really did appear to be flaming Americans in general. If our government has indeed harmed allies or neutrals alike in any way, trust me, I will indeed be upset with our government. I'm only a 19 year old kid. I can't be held accountable for neither the American government's severe follies, nor its grand accomplishments. In otherwords, the actions of one nation's government does not neccessarily align itself with the beliefs or the outlook of its citizens. Any suggestions you give me to improve the situation, I will take to heart the best of my ability.

My OS features preemptive multitasking, a fully interactive command line, & support for 640K of RAM!

America accidently bombed Canadian soldiers and 4 died. It was an accident and so I don't think that anyone should hate the US for that.

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All of them. In order of release: Thoroughbred (Tbred, T-bred, Tbread, etc), Barton and finally Clawhammer.
Opteron (Sledgehammer) will be released before Clawhammer, but it's not a replacement for the Athlon XP/MP.

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i don't think he hates the US, but i think he means that the US government should at the least issue a formal apology for the incompetence of a our soldiers. they should be able to distinguish between friend and foe over there. I agree with him.

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No, Sledge will not be releasing before Claw. That's a false statement.

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And please take the political openion out of this forum. Thanks.

KG

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Mat that road map was updated several times already. Saying it was rumor for the release date of the t-bred is pretty stupid they told investors when the Northwood came so would the t-bred. I for one don’t see it, so don’t create excuses for AMD it’s pointless.


Actually, SPUD I have not read anywhere or heard from ANY reliable sources that AMD ever stated TBred would be released at the same time as Northwood. What I read was TBred would ship for revenues before the end of Q1 and it did.

Just because the desktop part isn't yet available in no way suggests AMD misled users or you. YOU inferred AMD meant the desktop part. It was my suggestion MONTHS ago that TBred would likely arrive in notebooks a month r two at least, before the desktop part became available. JUST like mobile Palomino arrived months before the desktop part.

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I was an accident and obviously a grave mistake was made. Friendly fire has alway been a problem given the nature of war. No soldiers intend to to kill their own or allies except maybe in Hollywood movies. It was much worse in the past than today but we should always try to learn from mistake so as not to repeat them. You can bet our government was deeply sorry and learned from the mistake. Are you suggesting they didn't care? I thought they did express deep regret for the mistake. What does he want for a "formal apology"?? A proclamation stating "We really f''k up. Sorry we killed your boys. Here's $100 million, etc." Is that what they would have wanted? Pouting about not getting a "formal apology" or saying your allies are incompetant soldiers when you should be honoring these fallen men (or women). Do you think they would appreciate your "Monday morning quarterbacking" and labeling their fellow soldiers "incompetent" if they could speak. How about we all engage our brains before we open our mouths.

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That is what I've been trying to say. Only us are guilty of creating our own image of AMD's release date, while it has been there on their OFFICIAL roadmap, stating end Q1- start Q2 as a release date for Tbred. Where in the world is that not true, or that they aren't holding up to expectations?


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Mat that road map was updated several times already. Saying it was rumor for the release date of the t-bred is pretty stupid they told investors when the Northwood came so would the t-bred. I for one don’t see it, so don’t create excuses for AMD it’s pointless.


The roadmap has always said 2nd quarter for tbred, the RUMORS have said otherwise, but the roadmap has always said so.

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They did it to themselves trying to undercut Intel. It didn’t work as planned and they operated at a loss again. This caused them to close down a few fabs, which in turn slowed down their progress to 0.13µ. Now they have come to the cross roads of core limitations and production wafer change over difficulties with dwindling financial reserves, and with all 2 FABS in operation and 15% less man power at their disposal, they will have a extremely difficult time in competition with Intel. But the deal with UMC for the new Singapore FAB they might fair better under Intel’s increasing market saturation "program". Especially with Intel’s 13 soon to be 14 FABS churning out CPU’s soon it will be cheaper to sub out all production of CPU’s like NVIDIA does with their GPU’s and all that for AMD to remain competitive with Intel.


Oh so many inaccuracies where to begin.

Their operating at a loss had nothing to do with the fab closures, the fabs they closed were old and they were retired, one of the fabs they shut down was almost 10 years old iirc(texas techie would know better).

Furthermore the shut down fabs had NO EFFECT, on their conversion to .13 micron, the conversion is only occuring at dresden which is their main fab, the ONLY fab that makes axps, their second fab which makes cpus is in austin, and its the one who just had the layoffs, they only make durons and the duron line is being phased out.

Even more, your claim about having 15% less manpower is bogus simply because dresden the fab which counts is at 100% staff, the other fabs dont make cpus and are not a factor, why keep people who work in fabs you are closing?

Also, in this buisness having alot of fabs is a BAD thing right now, if the market demand drops slightly intel has 14 fabs losing money, while amd has 1 fab losing money.

While buisness is good more fabs is good, but when its dog eat dog(like it is now) having more can be very very bad.


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Also Mat please don’t blame September 11th on the whole “well AMD had to” story I have been hearing. You Americans need to realize that incident didn’t do too much to your economy. It’s the fact that America is getting lazier.


? im confused, did I mention 9/11?



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Look at our 4 dead soldiers cause one of your pilots can’t tell the difference from the training field and base camp, and the whole no apology from your government is just disgusting and then to top it off you raise tariffs on us again. Kind of funny how the American government treats its allies, like the dirt they are trying to kill off in the Middle East. Your president must be too busy to issue a formal apology to Canada but still finds the time to damage the United States relations with other nations. Oh my two cents are all used up.


People die in war all the time, I dont think the us refuses to apologize for the incident, if it does that would be a different case, but I dont think evertime someone dies we should have a ceremony and apologize to the persons country.

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then tell me, what are the different processors for, workstations, desktops....and so on......what is the new processor for game-pc´s and will they be compatible with the current mobo´s?

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No, Sledge will not be releasing before Claw. That's a false statement.


It looks like you're right on that one. I could've sworn that Sledge was supposed to be released first. Now I have to go find out where I read that :frown:

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You sure?

Yes, I am sure. Notice how both Athlon and Opteron are on the roadamp. If it was a replacement, then Athlon would be gone when Opteron comes in.

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It looks like you're right on that one. I could've sworn that Sledge was supposed to be released first. Now I have to go find out where I read that



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Yes, I am sure. Notice how both Athlon and Opteron are on the roadamp. If it was a replacement, then Athlon would be gone when Opteron comes in.



My you sure was in regards to your statement about sledge being first, next time I will enbolden the specific text when I correct you ;-)

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Maybe you read the one about the first Dual-Quad Sledges coming out first, or such? You might have been reading more about the MP versions.

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Also, in this buisness having alot of fabs is a BAD thing right now, if the market demand drops slightly intel has 14 fabs losing money, while amd has 1 fab losing money.
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Intel has been making at least $100M each quarter for more than 10 years (the other two companies are Walmart and GE), so don't expect your logic would work anytime soon.
Or maybe you should change it to: when the economy is extremely good, AMD can manage to make some money.


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My you sure was in regards to your statement about sledge being first, next time I will enbolden the specific text when I correct you ;-)


Ah, I thought you meant about it being a replacement.

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Intel has been making at least $100M each quarter for more than 10 years (the other two companies are Walmart and GE), so don't expect your logic would work anytime soon.
Or maybe you should change it to: when the economy is extremely good, AMD can manage to make some money.


Intel makes alot more than just flash and cpus, amd does not, when the [-peep-] hits the fan, intel will lose money faster than amd, bet on it.

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I highly doubt that anyone would bet on that, seriously.
Also please note processor section accounts for >80% Intel's revenue and is probably the only one that really makes money.

Thx,

Nice to see some Americans seek responsibilty for the wrong doings of their governement.

-Jeremy

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