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May 16, 2002 1:43:37 PM

Has anyone checked out Tom's latest article about: " ATi's Radeon IGP320M Chipset
A New Chance For Athlon Notebooks "

On page 7 under " The Innards Of The Test Notebook "....Tom wrote:

I actually tested the 'Thoroughbred' Athlon XP in a desktop system to see how it compares to the current Athlon XP processors based on the "Palomino" core. I am afraid that there is absolutely no performance difference! The new "Thoroughbred" is only running a lot cooler than "Palomino."

WTF!! could that be the same for the desktops??????

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May 16, 2002 2:02:30 PM

Why not? It's only the same in 0.13 technology. No more L2, maybe so minor arquitechture improvements that are hard to notice.

But take into account mobile configurations are a lot more limited by other components, so still there is light in the dark :-)

Seriously, I think Tbred will improve very little; the best thing is that it will reach higher frecuencies, that's all. Wait for Barton for a significant jump.

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May 16, 2002 2:39:47 PM

Exactly. Even AMD themselves claim that the TBred is <i>only</i> a die shrink. Nothing more. Therefore, no improvements in performance over AXP at same clock speeds. This isn't exactly new news.

The difference is that TBred is cooler, should need less power (though may not actually <i>use</i> less power), and will clock higher. All it really does is let AMD run the AXP further without many people noticing that they even switched cores.

What a lot of us are hoping for though, is that the TBred will OC nicely. :) 

The only real change in the AXPs is supposedly Barton. Even then, all it is supposed to be recieving is extra cache. So don't expect a major performance jump there either. Plus, it is still debatable <i>if</i> the Barton will even be released.

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May 16, 2002 2:49:29 PM

When the Thoroughbred (eventually) arrives, it should in theory be slightly easier to overclock as there should be less heat issues. I'd be interested to see the normal operating temperature of the Thoroughbred 2200 versus the Palamino 2100.

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May 16, 2002 3:45:19 PM

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But take into account mobile configurations are a lot more limited by other components, so still there is light in the dark :-)

Not in the CPU, and that was all he used.

The T-bread has been billed, for a while now, by several websites and AMD itself as simply a die-reduction with no other core tweeks. It's advantages will be in Price and ability to be clocked higher due to lower power requirements and heat generation.

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May 16, 2002 3:52:18 PM

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Wait for Barton for a significant jump.


Barton is only doubling the L2, I don't think that'll make a huge difference.

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May 16, 2002 4:06:10 PM

But it did well for Northwood.

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May 16, 2002 6:23:06 PM

But I think Northwood needs the additional cache due to its longer pipeline. Just like it needs far more memory bandwidth to perform well.

Athlon should see some small improvements on the order of a couple percent, perhaps, with the addition of more cache. But I suspect most of the improvements will only really be seen in synth benchmarks.

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May 17, 2002 9:22:48 AM

I expect the extra cache to give about 5-7% per clock.

Which is not a small thing, thats a whole speed step or 2 around 2ghz.

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May 17, 2002 6:28:57 PM

Yes i agree.. i think it will be more be in the range of 3-5% in most of the apps.. maybe synthetic show something different..
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May 19, 2002 5:32:26 PM

Anyone have any idea who produced the Radeon IGP320M based prototype notebook used in the articale??
May 20, 2002 2:47:52 PM

It's sold by alienware, but the released version is only available with Intel's Desktop processors.
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