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zc3   05-30-2002 at 02:41:23 AM

I just have a few questions. Is the hsf that comes with the athlon xp 1800+ retail hard to install?

What are the best installing methods to prevent crushing the core?

I am going to build my first pc within the next two weeks, so I want to make sure I don't mess anything up.

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VulcanSoulPatch   05-30-2002 at 02:47:35 AM
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Make sure you have a good thermal compound (like Arctic Silver), and read these <A HREF="http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm" target="_new">instructions</A>.

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acron1   05-30-2002 at 02:56:37 AM
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The heat sink that comes with the retail XP1800+ is very easy to install and the danger of crushing the core is low as long as you don't force anything.
Just line it right with the notch on the Hsink facing the broad side of the socket, mount the back of the clip to the notch on the back of the socket and use a medium flathead screw driver with the tip covered in electrical tape to drive the front of the clip to the front notch of the socket.
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acron1   05-30-2002 at 03:00:28 AM
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The retail heat sink comes with thermal tape already installed so unless you are planning to overclock using thermal paste is not necessary.
ps you must remove the thermal tape from the heatsink in order to use thermal paste.
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VulcanSoulPatch   05-30-2002 at 03:13:36 AM
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Not necessarily. At the current level of thermal generation of modern processors, you have to put a lot of confidence in that little pink gum. Compound is not just for OC'ers anymore.

More importantly, good compound will give you peace of mind, especially if your ambient room temperature is higher than the CPU mfr testing lab.

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zc3   05-30-2002 at 03:15:51 AM
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What about the motherboard, do I have to worry about damaging it since I'll be using a screwdriver?

Also, I only have magnetic screwdrivers, will that cause problems? And one more thing, how much do electrical tapes usually cost?

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Chuck232   05-30-2002 at 03:21:18 AM
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I'd think that using anything magnetized on a computer component wouldn't be good for it at all. My friend's brother put a magnet on the monitor and put a big cirle on it right in the middle.

My firewall tastes like burning. :eek:

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zc3   05-30-2002 at 03:27:23 AM
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Yeah, that's sounds logical enough. I'll probably go out and buy some regular screwdrivers etc. next week.

Ok, now I have another question. How do you know how much force is too much? Also, what can I do to prevent scratching the m/b (is that even is a common problem)?

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lhgpoobaa   05-30-2002 at 03:29:57 AM
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lol
the magnetic field in a magnetized screwdriver is extreemly weak.
besides, its not magnets that fry chips... its static discharge.

ground yourself on the case, and dont go poking chips!

many motherboards now have protective tape on them underneath the socket clips incase of screwdriver slippage. you can add more of your own if you wish, so long as u dont rip of those little resistors when you remove the tape ater!

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Matisaro   05-30-2002 at 03:58:54 AM
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Quote :

Not necessarily. At the current level of thermal generation of modern processors, you have to put a lot of confidence in that little pink gum. Compound is not just for OC'ers anymore.

More importantly, good compound will give you peace of mind, especially if your ambient room temperature is higher than the CPU mfr testing lab.



If you dont overclock the pink tape works fine, if it wasnt good enough amd(or intel) wouldnt include it with their retail hsf's. Your intentions are good but your scaring people for no good reason.

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VulcanSoulPatch   05-30-2002 at 06:06:30 AM
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Hey, ho . . . not trying to scare people, just passing on information I have received.

This type of thing is insurance, a little investment goes a long way. Especially if you don't have the money to be upgrading every year. I want my system to last a good long time. Taking care of it as you go along is half of it. Putting it together well in the first place is the other half.

You're right about what AMD and Intel putting on their HSF as being good enough, but it's not the best. Might as well insure your investment for a little more than just "good enough." Que no?

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Matisaro   05-30-2002 at 07:12:46 AM
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Quote :

You're right about what AMD and Intel putting on their HSF as being good enough, but it's not the best. Might as well insure your investment for a little more than just "good enough." Que no?



If the tape shortens the cpus life at all, it will be from 25 years to 24 years, if you plan to have your cpu in a quarter of a century, then the thermal compound is a wise investment, for anyone else, who isnt overclocking, the tim on the heatsink is perfectly good.

No need to spend extra money.

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zc3   05-31-2002 at 12:33:26 AM
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Ok, so let me get everything straight.
-arctic silver is not required
-the retail hsf should do fine(since I'm not oc'ing)
-magnetic screwdrivers should not be a problem

I'm still worried about how much force to use though. I've installed some memory in my pc before, would you say the force to use is equivilent to that? or more? less?

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hartski   05-31-2002 at 01:00:58 AM
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had the same situation...building my first PC and the toughest job is installing HSF on the cpu. I've done cards, memory, hdd, etc but never cpu and it's HSF...scary huh..hehe...I also had the AMD 1800+ but bought OEM so I bought a coolermaster fan, one of cheapest ones only.
the motherboard manual had the instructions for installing the cpu's HSF and it had like 6-10 steps I think and I just followed it carefully and surely.

Follow the instructions you have and you'll never go wrong.
Insert the cpu, align the HSF exactly as per instructed and carefully use the screwdriver to secure the metal latch. the hardest part is securing the HSF using the screwdriver. it's not really hard but for first timers it's hella scary..hehe...I believe even if you think you are giving too much pressure you won't break anything...the trick is do it slowly and be able to control the pressure.

again better have instruction when doing the installation coz without any you won't be able to figure out how to properly align the cpu and HSF. Didn't you get any manuals for your cpu or motherboard?

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zc3   05-31-2002 at 01:11:46 AM
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Actually I plan on buying all the parts within the next few weeks. I just wanted to get a general idea of what I will be doing beforehand so that there won't be any unexpected surprises.

I'm also waiting for a couple of weeks just in case the rumored June 10 date for the T-bred is true.

Anyways, I just want to make sure I'll have an idea of what I'll be doing. It's better to be safe than sorry.

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slickstaa   05-31-2002 at 05:28:18 AM
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one key thing is to try to keep the hsf level one the proc when putting the clip one. Dont push down on the hsf itself if you can avoid it once you get it in position. You have to be cautious, but installing the hsf will require quite a bit of force.

btw i dont know if you are still worrying about this but ur magnetic screwdrivers should be fine. The only thing they could poooooossiibly hurt is hard drives or floppies, which would be rare, and prolly not possible with just a magnetized screwdriver
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by slickstaa on 05/30/02 11:33 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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The_MaguS   05-31-2002 at 07:25:35 AM
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Don't EVEN THINK ABOUT USING A MAGNETIZED SCREWDRIVER!

I used one to tighten a screw on my mobo and when I went to turn on the comp, white smoke started pouring out of the CD-ROM Drive.

People may say otherwise, but eitherway, it's NOT something you want to chance.

Thank god the comp I ruined was a 133 mhz piece of crap =P



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Matisaro   05-31-2002 at 08:39:46 AM
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Quote :

-arctic silver is not required
-the retail hsf should do fine(since I'm not oc'ing)
-magnetic screwdrivers should not be a problem



yes
yes
only for harddrives, I would not use a mag screwdriver to install harddrives, but for anything else no problem.

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Matisaro   05-31-2002 at 08:41:22 AM
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I used one to tighten a screw on my mobo and when I went to turn on the comp, white smoke started pouring out of the CD-ROM Drive.




Not that im calling you a liar, but theres no way in hell a mag screwdriver can hurt a cd rom. Something else was the causal factor in that incident, trust me.


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Intel_inside   05-31-2002 at 08:51:07 AM
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Make sure you do a couple of dry runs with the heatsink before you install it for real (eg.. installing it without using thermal paste or removing the thermal strip just to get a feel of how to do it). It's not hard if you follow the instructions and are patient.

If you use the thermal strip and not compound, it should be fine if you don't overclock. As long as you have proper ventilation in your case the temperature should be in spec.

I have a system that was put together using a retail xp 1800 with only the thermal strip and it runs fine.

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