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June 2, 2002 8:02:16 PM

Price for performance (when overclocked)

1. Intel Willamette Celeron 1.7GHz (128KB L2, 400FSB, 180nm)
2. Intel Tualatin Celeron 1.3GHz (256KB L2, 100FSB, 130nm)
3. Intel Northwood 1600MHz (512KB L2, 400FSB, 130nm)
4. AMD Palomino Athlon XP 1466MHz (256KB L2, 133FSB, 180nm)
5. AMD Morgan Duron 1000MHz (64KB L2, 100FSB, 180nm)

Well, why doesn't THG provide results and opinions regarding CPU price/performance ratio when overclocked anymore?

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June 2, 2002 8:20:25 PM

you cant use a calculating or maybe a comp?


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June 2, 2002 8:56:04 PM

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you cant use a calculating or maybe a comp?


Sorry, but I can read only English relatively successfully.

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June 2, 2002 9:04:30 PM

moreover you are an Ass?


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June 2, 2002 9:13:00 PM

Only inferior people speak that kind of language.

I understand there are too many of unsophisticated and barbarian you in the States but it's meaningless and impolite to post that way in international forums.

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June 2, 2002 9:28:03 PM

Anyway, back on topic:

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1. Intel Willamette Celeron 1.7GHz (128KB L2, 400FSB, 180nm)

Will easily overclock to 2.26GHz. At that speed, it should outperform the Duron (even when overclocked), and match the performance of a ~1.8GHz Willy, or a bit faster.

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2. Intel Tualatin Celeron 1.3GHz (256KB L2, 100FSB, 130nm)

Great performance for the price but only medicore overclocking. Unlikely to reach 1.73GHz without significant cooling.

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3. Intel Northwood 1600MHz (512KB L2, 400FSB, 130nm)

Extreme overclocker. I've seen it go as high as 2.9GHz. ~2.4GHz is the average. At that speed, it would rival Intel's flagship 2.53GHz P4 due to the faster 600MHz FSB at 2.4GHz.

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4. AMD Palomino Athlon XP 1466MHz (256KB L2, 133FSB, 180nm)

Excellent default performance for the price. Mid-range overclocking. I've seen it go as high as 1.83GHz. I'd say 1.65GHz is the average but I haven't checked at Overclockers.

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5. AMD Morgan Duron 1000MHz (64KB L2, 100FSB, 180nm)

Decent performance at a low price. I haven't heard much about overclocking it and I wouldn't expect it to go too high (it's aluminum).









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June 2, 2002 9:41:47 PM

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Only inferior people speak that kind of language.

stop it, pls. im too roflMAO.


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I understand there are too many of unsophisticated and barbarian you in the States but it's meaningless and impolite to post that way in international forums.

Yeah, Yeah. im American from now! roflMAO.

really, study a little Informatics before coming back here.
this is not a philosophical forum but an IT one.

Whatever, Have a Nice Day. LoL


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June 2, 2002 9:51:45 PM

I never liked the price/performance metric for CPUs. Since a Duron, for example, can't be placed in a P4 socket and vice versa. It doesn't make sense, not to me, to compare a Duron 1300 to a Celeron 1.7 (or any other two processors) based solely on CPU price.

It only makes sense to compare price/performance ratios of complete systems (or at least CPU/HSF/motherboard/memory combinations) because choosing a processor requires you to also choose a platform. This in turn makes it necessary to choose a type of memory, etc. If you use system price/performance as a metric then differences in CPU costs are relatively small compared overall system price.

The CPU price/perfomance ratio tends to put too much emphasis on just a portion of system cost.

Just one opinion.

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June 3, 2002 1:47:47 AM

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I understand there are too many of unsophisticated and barbarian you in the States but it's meaningless and impolite to post that way in international forums.


I think you owe all the Americans an appology.

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June 3, 2002 7:07:23 AM

Sheesh.....he's a jerk to everyone. Doesn't he have anything better to do???

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June 3, 2002 7:13:36 AM

Gee. he is worst as i;)


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June 3, 2002 7:26:25 AM

Labdog you might be a garbler but we still like you :) 

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June 3, 2002 7:26:27 AM

Why are you calling people names and bashing the US?

"Just the facts ma'am"
June 3, 2002 7:38:45 AM

Cause hes a racist idiot who dosent know his head from his ass, ignore him like I do if you want to maintain sanity.

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June 3, 2002 7:43:22 AM

I PM'd Fredi again. I think we gave Kennyshin a very generous second chance. He's a racist jerk.

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June 3, 2002 8:56:55 AM

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!!! Do you realize what he's saying? By basing it solely on processor speed we've become as gullible as the sheep who go out and buy pre-built computers from large scale retailers!

Anyway, I think everyone has to admit that Intel systems are still more expensive than AMD systems. Even a 1.6 Ghz overclocked to 2.4 isn't going to yield as good a price/performance ratio compared to an athlon XP 2100+ with PC 2100 CL 2 RAM and a mainboard. It will be faster, sure, but it will still be too expensive for some people. Cost means a lot. Some people would rather OC their processors than pay more for a processor designed to run at that speed. And also there's a reason why those ECS mainboards are flying off the shelves... they're so darn cheap!
June 3, 2002 11:57:34 AM

If you attempted to rank the 1.7GHZ Celly first, I am sorry but its performance even at 2.26GHZ is deplorable. Nope, for the price near it, you can get a Tbred 1800+ soon, and most likely get it much more than the Celly's OCed performance. I would rank first the 1.6A.

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June 3, 2002 11:58:48 AM

BTW you are stating Quad Pumped bus for P4s but single data rate for Athlon XP, this is unfair. You should either put the AXP's bus at 266MHZ and Duron's at 200MHZ, OR put the P4's bus at 100MHZ, the REAL bus frequency.

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June 3, 2002 12:15:22 PM

good morning, mod. :smile:


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June 3, 2002 12:16:41 PM

Hehe, getting a little picky? It doesn't really matter, the P4 needs huge amounts of bandwidth while the Athlon XP can perform reasonably well even with just SDRAM.

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June 3, 2002 12:23:59 PM

hmmffff, he already knows everything ... but he is not omniscient ...

just a little quiz.

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"Every action involves a reaction as strong as the action & with a contrary sense"



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June 3, 2002 2:55:02 PM

You are truly wise, Master Mod. Teach us more!

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June 3, 2002 3:43:19 PM

good afternoon mod. how are you after a 5 hours sleep?


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June 3, 2002 4:45:16 PM

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Sorry, but I can read only English relatively successfully.


Don't worry, that's not English he's speaking :wink:

And he's Canadian, in case you're wondering.

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June 4, 2002 4:16:57 AM

3. Intel Northwood 1600MHz (512KB L2, 400FSB, 130nm)


What's the frequency, Kenneth?
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