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June 15, 2002 9:14:23 PM

right heres a silly question...
i have a kg7 and iu had a tbird @ 1.33ghz and everything ran like a dream..
but then sadly i had to go to a duron @ 1066mhz and somethings have gone bad and somethings arent working as they should...
i have a geforce 2 ultra in the system, its brilliantly fast and great to play games with so i want to upgrade it.
the other day i built a friend a system that i have been longing to have, kg7, xp amd, geforce 3 ti200, etc etc. and i realised how good everything was on his system and its made me want something just as good..
now is the problem as i see it..
as i have a fast graphics card, theres not much point in me getting something a little bit faster as there wont be that much difference.. so in other words i want a big jump from what i have to what i want to get..
now heres the thought..
i want an xp 1800 so that i have a good cpu with a good stable motherboard.. firstly that will speed up the graphics card to what it was before and maybe a bit faster again..
secondly i want to get a better card.. but what?
i was thinking of a geforce ti 4400 (theres not that much difference between the ti 4400 and the ti 4600, apart from the price!! not that i can see anyway... apart from a few fps here and there, i aint really going to miss it like that...) but then i was thinking of getting a ati 8500.. i know these are both great cards, but what should i do?
im not sure what would be a good big step of an upgrade rather than a little step forward, and i also want to push this cpu and motherboard config to the max.. and also, is it worth upgrading to 512mbs of ram? i have 256mbs and always thought this was enough.. any ideas?
if anyone can help i would be most pleased..

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June 16, 2002 4:33:52 PM

You should get a ti4200 and overclock it to 4400-4600 levels.

You should get the 1800+

You should get 512 megs of ram.

Those are all good upgrades, the first one I would get would be the cpu, then the ram, then the video.

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June 16, 2002 6:22:29 PM

i will be getting the cpu first as i believe the geforce 2 ultra would be rather nice with the xp cpu...
about the graphics card, i thought that the ti 42/44/4600 didnt overclock so well because of the samsung memory that was used?
id prefer to get the ati 8500 or the geforce 4 ti 4400 and overclock either one of those personally.. or wait for the r250 or r300 from ati...
is the extra ram going to help that much? is it worth replacing the 256mbs stick i have at the minute and getting a 512mb stick or is it best to have 2 256mb sticks?
i always was told that 512mbs of memory running windows 98 would slow the pc down a little.. is this right or wrong?
thanks for the advice!!

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June 16, 2002 7:58:33 PM

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about the graphics card, i thought that the ti 42/44/4600 didnt overclock so well because of the samsung memory that was used?


Thats not true at all, from what I have read the memory overclocks very well, the 4200 is cheap and it should at least attain 4400 levels, if you want to have a really nice video card get the 4400 and overclock it to 4600 levels. The overclocks ive seen on most memory from gf4 lines is around 100mhz, not shabby at all.


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is the extra ram going to help that much? is it worth replacing the 256mbs stick i have at the minute and getting a 512mb stick or is it best to have 2 256mb sticks?


I have a kg7 raid and it didnt like 2 memory sticks which werent identicle, so I would get one 512 and sell the 256, windows 98 dosent like memory above 512, but @512 is fine, and you should notice an improvement.

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June 16, 2002 8:03:56 PM

thanks for the tip about the memory, now heres another question about it..
is it worth going for ddr333 or just sticking with ddr266? what named brand memory is best to get? i think that i have crucial at the minute, but it doesnt like overclocking at all and it is cas 2.5 memory.. good or bad?
ok, to another point about the graphics card, for price to performance, would an ati 8500 (64mbs or 128mbs??) be best or would the geforce ti 4400 be the better one to go for?
answers on a postcard... please!!

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June 16, 2002 10:15:39 PM

On your motherboard, there will be no reason to get 333, unless you intend to get a kt333 motherboard in the future.

However ddr333 will be useable in the clawhammer, so you could make the argument for buying it now and using it for your next system.

I would get the ti4400 and overclock it, the 8500 just cant keep up IMO, sure it does good on 3dmark2001, but the real world benchmarks always turn out less stellar.

The 8500 is a competitor for the gf3 ti500, but the ti4400/4600 is head and shoulders above both of them.

The only time ati wins against a 4400/4600 is in tight circumstances preset up(such as 64 tap aa uber high res(or low res I forgot which) overall the ti4400 will outperform the radeon signifigantly.

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June 16, 2002 10:46:38 PM

you should be able to run that crucial mem at 2 cas, thats what i have mine set to.

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June 16, 2002 10:46:52 PM

DDR333 would only be properly used in a DDR333 supported mobo. In a DDR266 mobo it'll only run at PC2100, unless you overclock. cas 2.5 is its timing. If you want truely good overclocking RAM, you could get the Corsair XMS series RAM. A R8500 64MB or 128MB wouldn't come close unless on aniso where ATi cards shine. But you have to remember that the Ti4400 are also a lot more expensive. In the USA, they're about $120 more expensive than the 64MB and $80 more than the 128MB version. If you really need the speed go for a Ti4400, but by the time Hammer comes out and you get one, a Ti4400 would reach the end of it's potential. You may as well get a stop-gap like a R8500 or R8500LE and go get a whole new comp when Hammer comes out with a R300/LE or a NV30.

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June 17, 2002 5:49:12 AM

My pricewatch search shows the 4400 is 60 more than the 128 8500, but you are right it is more expensive.


IMO the added performance(especially when overclocking) is worth the extra 60, but if price is a factor get the 4200, it should do 4400 speeds and it is $20 less than the 128 8500.

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June 17, 2002 7:15:51 AM

Sort of off topic....

How do you overclock a video card?
June 17, 2002 7:18:04 PM

i think that what i was planning on doing anyway, but the thing is over here, (england, uk) i cant seem to find a retail ati 8500 card.. or one that i know of..
the cards i find are from jetway and there are many other different models that come up, but not the actual 8500 retail card..
it is somewhat confusing as well due to price, i went to pc world today for a rough guide of what NOT to pay, and they where selling the le models of the card, 250 core clock speed for about £180... and the dv version for £350... they didnt have any of the retail versions at all.. i did ask them about a xp 1800 and they said that would be £108.... i just laughed inside..
i use this link for searching for computer hardware that i cant get through my normal store, its :

http://www.price-guide.co.uk/search_main.asp

its easy to use and is fast as well, but im still no closer in tracking down a good, cheapish ati 8500 card.. could someone please help me out here????
as for the memory side of things, i managed to get the memory to go into a cas 2 setting, as i believe giving the memory a little more voltage has made that happen... so far so good..
im not so sure about the ti 4400 anymore, although its performance is rather 'second to none', i still think that im far better getting a ati 8500 and overclocking that..
i think when things have moved onto the next step for amd would i start considering upgrading most components of my pc.. i dont think changing from 266 to 333 memory and board would really help me out a whole lot, not like changing a cpu or grtaphics card would... i need to see a visible difference, before i start saying, im going to get that..

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June 17, 2002 7:33:32 PM

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ti 4400 anymore, although its performance is rather 'second to none', i still think that im far better getting a ati 8500 and overclocking that..


The 8500 doesnt overclock nearly far enough to overtake the 4400, your decision should really be whether you want to spend the extra 60 bucks for the greater performance of the 4400@4600.


I get the impression you kind of want an 8500 but are looking for justification, if the 8500 floats your boat get it, bear in mind the cheaper ones are usually the underclocked le versions.

Buy what you want, but know that the 4400 is the better performer, and when overclocked owns the 8500, the only thing you should be considering is if the extra performance is worth 60 bucks.

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June 17, 2002 7:57:15 PM

this is what i can get a few of the cards mentioned for.. question, which is the best price to performance? with no overclocking..

64MB - JETWAY ATI8500 DDR TV/DVI £132
64MB - ATI SAPPHIRE RADEON 8500 LE - £161
64MB - ATI RADEON 8500 LE DDR AGP DVI VO OEM - £166
64MB - ATI RADEON 8500 DV 3D PROPHET ALL IN WONDER AGP TV - £235
64MB - ATI RADEON 8500 DDR AGP RETAIL DVI VO - £175 - i think thats the one, isnt it?
64MB - ATI RADEON 8500 DDR AGP DVI TV DH OEM - £125
128MB - ATI RADEON 8500 LE OEM - £138

or heres some more cards i get from the company i deal with :-

ATI Radeon 8500 64MB DDR AGP Retail - £135 - i think this is the one i want, same as above yeah?
ATI Radeon 8500 LE 64MB DDR AGP OEM - £123
ATI Radeon 8500 LE 128MB DDR + DVI out AGP OEM - £134

i just have no idea what models to get, they are all trying to confuse me!!
but then, here are some prices that i can get the geforce 3/4 series for..

MSI GeForce 4 Ti4400 128MB DDR VIVO Retail - £225
Sparkle GeForce 3 Ti 200 64MB DDR + TV-out AGP - £105
Gainward GeForce 4 Powerpack Ultra/700 XP Golden Sample AGP (Ti-4400 128MB DDR VIVO DVI+DVI) £234

so which would you partner with a kg7, 256mbs of ddr ram, xp1800 (eventually, or when i get the graphics card) 40gig 7200 ata133 hard drive, etc etc..???

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June 17, 2002 8:46:50 PM

Looks like in the UK, the difference is a hefty 100 pounds. The Ti4400 oced does own the R8500, but if you o/ced your R8500 also, the difference wouldn't be as much.

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June 17, 2002 9:00:07 PM

Oh, oh oh!! Good idea. Like what Mat said, you could always get a GF4 Ti4200 64MB and overclock. I've seen Ti4200 oced performance near Ti4600!! That's really quite nice. Or maybe even the 128MB version. The Gainward Ti4200 128MB has 4ns RAM. If possible try and get some prices for a GF4 Ti4200 64MB and 128MB and also pricing for R8500LE 128MB RETAIL and a R8500 128MB RETAIL is possible.

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