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Hoolio   06-26-2002 at 02:46:37 AM

As we all know the latest P4 whips the Athlon due to the much higher clock speed.

Is the barton & T-Bred too little too late for the athlon? Or does the athlon core need a complete overhaul to enter the 0.13 world?

I can't remember the changes to the coppermine to make the tualatin but i believe it could have been a slight redesign, 0.13 and extra cache.

I believe that AMD have gone for the same sort of approach but with less of a redesign.

It does seem like the only chance for an all out clock speed war again is the Opteron and the hammer (which will be called the athlon at some point).

What else can AMD do?
Your opinions please........

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FatBurger   06-26-2002 at 06:39:15 PM
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Unless Barton is surprisingly better than Tbred, AMD can only sit back and put everything behind Hammer. Course, that's pretty much what they're planning on annyway. Hammer has to be a success or else AMD is screwed, but Hammer is looking good so far.

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jihiggs   06-26-2002 at 07:24:17 PM
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i have a feeling that amd will make a comeback, when they first came up with the athlon, they tore intel a new one, intel is back on top again, but it probly wont last. it will keep going up and down for years until one up and quits.

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Smokey   06-26-2002 at 07:38:19 PM
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Or both companies merge???

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JCLW   06-26-2002 at 08:03:53 PM
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PIII Tualatin:
- 0.13 die shrink (including 0.13 class gates)
- extra L2 cache
- excelent data pre-fetch (pass-me-down from P4 design)

Athlon Tbred:
- 0.13 die shrink (but already had 0.13 class gates which is why it clocked so high with the 0.18 core)
- same L2 cache
- same data pre-fetch

Barton:
- 0.13 die
- extra L2 cache
- same data pre-fetch

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slvr_phoenix   06-26-2002 at 10:50:08 PM
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But when AMD 'tore Intel a new one', Intel had been asleep behind the wheel. They were gouging the customer for every last MHz on an incredibly slow upgrade path, and they had very little interest in R & D because to develop something significantly new just wasn't needed in their opinion.

Now, AMD has put Intel on guard. Intel's R & D is churning and burning on new upgrades. (At least in theory.) So anything that AMD does is highly unlikely to catch Intel even half as badly as they did in the past. Simply, Intel is no longer sleeping.


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Hoolio   06-27-2002 at 01:50:46 AM
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Thanks JCLW for the specs of all the processors, it gives a good view on what changed.

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Anonymous   06-27-2002 at 04:25:53 AM
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As we all know the latest P4 whips the Athlon due to the much higher clock speed.

Is the barton & T-Bred too little too late for the athlon? Or does the athlon core need a complete overhaul to enter the 0.13 world?


i don't think it is too late for AMD yet. we have to wait the results involving by the improvement of the new 'G' type series TBred as the results of the Barton which is not even coming out yet. thus we can't speculate at once yet.


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Anonymous   06-27-2002 at 04:33:46 AM
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Now, AMD has put Intel on guard. Intel's R & D is churning and burning on new upgrades. (At least in theory.) So anything that AMD does is highly unlikely to catch Intel even half as badly as they did in the past. Simply, Intel is no longer sleeping.


do you think that AMD is sleeping & its R&D is in vacation even if we are entering in the summer season?


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zengeos   06-27-2002 at 04:41:33 AM
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Now, AMD has put Intel on guard. Intel's R & D is churning and burning on new upgrades. (At least in theory.) So anything that AMD does is highly unlikely to catch Intel even half as badly as they did in the past. Simply, Intel is no longer sleeping.



In some respects you are right. HOWEVER, AMD seems to be excelling at leveraging it's partners and partnerships...hypertransport consortium to name one. AMD also seems to be seriously improving it's relationships with chipset developers and motherboard makers. While Intel is seen as the major competition for both of these, AMD is looked at more as a partner.

Finally, Intel certainly has a much greater R&D budget, roughly 7x the size of AMD's. HOWEVER Intel also has to expend far more reseources in all the various subsidiaries it owns.

So yes, Intel can put more resources up against AMD, but AMD has a few extra resources on it's side of the match.

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Quetzacoatl   06-27-2002 at 04:42:00 AM
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do you think that AMD is sleeping & its R&D is in vacation even if we are entering in the summer season?



Probably not, but try and imagine seeing and AMD Hammer on a TV commerical *shivers*...I can only imagine how bad that could be, just look at the P4 blue aliends...ick...but, win or lose, live or die, AMD is placing all their guns behind the Hammer, so we can only hope they did their homework and come through for us, the end users.

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Matisaro   06-27-2002 at 07:26:50 AM
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While Intel is seen as the major competition for both of these, AMD is looked at more as a partner.




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JCLW   06-28-2002 at 07:58:48 PM
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