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Anonymous   07-09-2002 at 01:18:24 AM

<A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q2/via-p4x333/index.x?pg=1" target="_new">P4X333 Chipset Article #1</A>.
<A HREF="http://www17.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q2/020514/index.html" target="_new">P4X333 Chipset Article #2</A>.
<A HREF="http://www.hexus.co.uk/review.php?review=383&page=1" target="_new">P4X333 Motherboard</A>.



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Crashman   07-09-2002 at 01:48:08 AM
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And it shows the i850E thoroughly thrashing it, with the SiS giving it a light spanking, not to mention that the chipset violates patent laws, and is made by a company that uses marketing tactics that violate US law, and has a long history of not supporting its products. So why should we buy this chipset that looses all the benchmarks except the one we've never heard of? Is that like downloading Metalica on Kaza, not because I like the music, but just to proove I can?

<font color=blue>At least half of all problems are caused by an insufficient power supply!</font color=blue>

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lhgpoobaa   07-09-2002 at 01:56:59 AM
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lol yeah... it does look weak besides the current compeditors.


So I fixed my BIG PC problem by pressing the reset button. I'm not a moron am i? :lol:

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IIB   07-09-2002 at 02:24:22 AM
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COZ IT IS CHEAP... like duh ;)
I see the P4x333 won the majorty of the benchmarks...


This post is best viewed with common sense enabled<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by IIB on 07/09/02 03:33 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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Anonymous   07-09-2002 at 02:42:06 AM
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LoL.

here the reviews about this P4X333 chipset & its related motherboard:

<A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q2/via-p4x333/index.x?pg=1" target="_new">P4X333 Chipset Article #1</A> from The Tech Report.
<A HREF="http://www17.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q2/020514/index.html" target="_new">P4X333 Chipset Article #2</A> from TomsHardware.
<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1623&p=8" target="_new">P4X333 Chipset Article #3</A> from AnandTech.
<A HREF="http://www.hexus.co.uk/review.php?review=383&page=1" target="_new">P4X333 Chipset Article #3</A> from Hexus.Net UK :smile: .
<A HREF="http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/VIA/P4PB/" target="_new">P4X333 Chipset Article #4</A> from VR-Zone.

& the <A HREF="http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/p4x333.jsp" target="_new">P4X333 chipset specs</A> as <A HREF="http://www.viavpsd.com/product/P4PB400_spec.jsp?motherboardId=41" target="_new">The P4X400 Motherboard!!</A> from VIA.



moreover i would like to add that they haven't a licence because of the Intel TRUST which has of course done everything to squeeze a hard competitor which being to take over it in the chipsets market. their efficiency is in fact obvious because they are specialized from a long in DDR memory then Intel is Rambus related.

plz. don't mixed everything. High Technology, Marketing & whatsoever. This chipset & that mb are the best platform right now for a P4 with DDR memory inside. it's written on any test from any review on the topic. :lol:


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Crashman   07-09-2002 at 03:00:16 AM
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Review #1 they lost most of the benchmarks to the i850E and even the 645DX

Review #2 they weren't even compared to the i850E or the 645DX

Review #3 they won about half the application benchmarks against the 645DX, but the i850E wasn't even tested. And who is Hexus.Net, VIA's UK distributor?

Review #4 the 645DX and i850E both beat it in ALL TEST.

So what's the point? The 645DX is CHEAPER than the P4X333, is LEGAL, and is made by an HONEST company.

Or were you using the i845 as your only frame of reference? It certainly looks like the SiS 645DX is the best chipset for the P4 with DDR from most of those reviews.

<font color=blue>At least half of all problems are caused by an insufficient power supply!</font color=blue>

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juin   07-09-2002 at 04:05:54 AM
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I must add that i dont have hear horror storie like with via chipset.The article iside VIA at anadtech as prove to the how via is serious mobo are pile up on each others next to is Pepsie and with post-it the say all broken.

cheap, cheap. Think cheap, and you'll always be cheap.AMD version of semi conducteur industrie

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juin   07-09-2002 at 04:07:37 AM
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the number 1 reason you buy a intel CPU is to have a Intel chipset.

cheap, cheap. Think cheap, and you'll always be cheap.AMD version of semi conducteur industrie

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Anonymous   07-09-2002 at 04:34:00 AM
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sorry but i don't much follow you?


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Crashman   07-09-2002 at 04:36:02 AM
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Obviously some people love this company, the same types of people that fall into insidious cults, the people who would rather buy stollen goods off the street corner to try to "beat the system", the same kind of people who incourage gang mentality, the same kinds of people who are always looking for a revolution to support, no matter how bad the ideals of that revolution. These people will support VIA even with an inferior product in an effort to seek harm against Intel. These are the same kinds of people who spread rumors of all sorts of malicious intent, and rely on Yellow Journalism as their news source. To them, everything is a conspiracy.

<font color=blue>At least half of all problems are caused by an insufficient power supply!</font color=blue>

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juin   07-09-2002 at 04:57:25 AM
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Linux -MS

Linux claim better stability (at lease the linux fan) sorry but WIN 2K is trouble free for me.It a political reason they see Bill gate as satan and must stop it to conquer the world.

Intel amd

As storie

Nvidia ati

When ati have release it 8500 many was saying that nvidia is dead ATI is the new king.But ATI is not a underdog so they are not in the same categorie.

Intel via

Everyone think here that intel was wrong with there lincense fee for there FSB.They have win the anti-trust and more i dont have read the detail.


David vs goliath

Everyone like david who is the underdog i am not like that i took the best with my engineer eye (to the limit of my knowlege)

cheap, cheap. Think cheap, and you'll always be cheap.AMD version of semi conducteur industrie

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Crashman   07-09-2002 at 06:34:57 AM
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Intel vs VIA is more like the U.S. Government vs. Ted Kazinski, the fact that Ted was less powerfull than the U.S. Government didn't seem to gather him much support. David and Goliath need not apply to this situation unless Goliath would have been the good guy. Being the underdog doesn't make you right.

<font color=blue>At least half of all problems are caused by an insufficient power supply!</font color=blue>

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juin   07-09-2002 at 06:56:52 AM
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Goliath would have been the good guy. Being the underdog doesn't make you right.

Maybe not but it help a lot.Big corporation have bad reputation like EXON true are not.

cheap, cheap. Think cheap, and you'll always be cheap.AMD version of semi conducteur industrie

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Crashman   07-09-2002 at 11:11:36 AM
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And Hitler rose to power on that same "Root for the underdog" mentality. The <i>true</i> underdog in this fight, so to speak, is SiS.

<font color=blue>At least half of all problems are caused by an insufficient power supply!</font color=blue>

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juin   07-09-2002 at 01:28:17 PM
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SIS use A3 stepping very often they just been lucky this year maybe next they will srew up but most will forgot.
VIA have trouble with 1/5 chipset 1/2 driver compare to intel.I have grow the number a bit, maybe

cheap, cheap. Think cheap, and you'll always be cheap.AMD version of semi conducteur industrie

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bront   07-09-2002 at 04:07:19 PM
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Crash, I will say, that it's nice to see that they finaly redesigned the PCI bus, and hopefully that will eliminate any remaining stability issues and bandwidth issues.

VIA has been making a huge effort to make a better product than in years past, and you have to give them credit for that.

English is phun.

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diabloskh   07-09-2002 at 04:12:52 PM
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Has anyone noticed in the scores that the Athlon seems to win out on all the less publicly known tests. Why is this? Is it possible that the other tests are biased in their code towards an intel chipset. I think I will do a little code browsing later tonight. Oh and VIA is like a gamble. You can either get a system and get good bios versions and it runs beautifully or sometimes you go bankrupt and wait for a good via bios to come out. But I like my AMD systems, one is a k6-2 500mhz that my mom uses for office work and I play Q3 on occassionally, and my system is an 1.2 ghz scsi raid configuration. I know the processor is falling behind the times at 1.2 ghz but running scsi really peps up my system.

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bront   07-09-2002 at 04:16:41 PM
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It's likely optimised for the P4, especialy when Intel donates money to several of the benchmarking products. Doesn't mean they're fixed, but they could be streamlined for the P4 (You can code for that).

English is phun.

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diabloskh   07-09-2002 at 04:16:52 PM
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So what kind of engineer are you? How can you like Rdram over DDR?

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diabloskh   07-09-2002 at 04:19:25 PM
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Ummm...you just compared two computer companies, to a guy that affected a few hundred peoples lives with terror and a government that has killed 15000 people in the last month. Are you trying to say that both Intel and VIA are evil. That doesn't leave us any options.

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Quetzacoatl   07-09-2002 at 04:21:37 PM
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Well, because RDR currently offers more memory bandwidth with DC 16-bit and SC 23-bit. DDR single channel doesn't provide enough memory bandwidth to max out the Pentium 4's bandwidth of 4.2 Gb/s. DC DDR for the Pentium 4 won't be out till late this year, probably with the p4x666 or Intel's Granitebay chipset. Both have their advantages, but RDR is running out of time.

"When there's a will, there's a way."

Oh, big oops, meant to say SC (single channel) 32-bit...my bad!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Quetzacoatl on 07/09/02 10:33 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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diabloskh   07-09-2002 at 04:27:34 PM
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Plus the primary disadvantage of RDR. The gigantic price tag.

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bront   07-09-2002 at 04:28:51 PM
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Quote :

SC 23-bit


Ooh, sign me up for the 23 bit CPU to go with that mem ;)

Seriously, RDRam has several nice new features and it at it's infancy, while SDRam is begining to show it's age. DDRII might breath some life back into it however.

English is phun.

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bront   07-09-2002 at 04:32:15 PM
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RDR is competitively priced with DDR now, especialy for how far you can often push it beyond spec.

English is phun.

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Quetzacoatl   07-09-2002 at 04:36:26 PM
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The newer 6 layer RDR modules are slowly creeping down in price, even PC-1066 is starting to show up a bit more. Still, remember way back when a stick of PC-800 RDR was like over $1200 for 128MB? Yeah, a few years ago...the classical Pentium 4 1.5Ghz willamette...*shudders in digust*...so much for cutting edge Intel

"When there's a will, there's a way."

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diabloskh   07-09-2002 at 04:43:22 PM
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RIMM PC1066 256MB Rambus PC1066 $178.00
DDR PC2700 256MB CAS2.5 (CL2.5) (DDR333) $67.00
Uhhh...That's competitively priced. OK...

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slvr_phoenix   07-09-2002 at 05:29:43 PM
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Samsung PC800 256MB RIMM $88
It has competetive performance as your DDR333. Worse, it easily overclocks to run at PC1066 spec.

Samsung PC1066 256MB RIMM for $129
This is considerably below your supposed $178 for 256MB of RDRAM.

Micron PC2700 128MB DIMM for $48
Samsung PC800 128MB RIMM for $47
Kingston PC1066 128MB RIMM for $69
For 128MB modules, appearantly PC800 RDRAM is even cheaper than PC2700 DDR SDRAM, and PC1066 is only twenty bucks extra.

I'd say that for the performance, RDRAM is very competitively priced.


Tech support said take a screen shot.
Putting it down with my .22 was the humane thing to do.

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Quetzacoatl   07-09-2002 at 05:32:53 PM
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Where the hell do you get PC1066 RDR for $178? Your pricing is obviously biased towards DDR...You didn't even list a manufacturer's name

"When there's a will, there's a way."

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slvr_phoenix   07-09-2002 at 05:35:29 PM
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Quote :

Seriously, RDRam has several nice new features and it at it's infancy, while SDRam is begining to show it's age. DDRII might breath some life back into it however.


No kidding. For having such little R&D put into it, RDRAM is kicking butt. Then look at how much R&D is put into SDRAM just to even keep it afloat. How much longer can new life be breathed into it before it just flat out dies?

The real question to me though isn't if DDR II can save SDRAM's bacon, but if <i>AMD's on-die memory controller</i> can actually remove the hidden latency in DDR.


Tech support said take a screen shot.
Putting it down with my .22 was the humane thing to do.

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diabloskh   07-09-2002 at 05:45:11 PM
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The prices were obtained from a random reseller I selected both prices came from the same reseller. The site is puicorp.com If you would like to check. I was not biased at all. Go look for yourself. and If you find better else where and can find bot ddr and rdr at the same site list those prices as I did.

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Anonymous   07-09-2002 at 09:44:17 PM
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hey buddy, it is a forum. Fight with your IT knowledge. :wink:

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Anonymous   07-09-2002 at 09:44:17 PM
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hey buddy, it is a forum. Fight with your IT knowledge. :wink:

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Anonymous   07-09-2002 at 09:50:10 PM
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hey buddy, it is a forum. Fight with your IT knowledge. :wink:

btw i don't understand why it is so long to enter & validate a post. i must have some network issue in Europe. (ISP, routers or something else)


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Anonymous   07-09-2002 at 09:54:31 PM
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hey buddy, it is a forum. Fight with your IT knowledge. :wink:

btw i don't understand why it is so long to enter & validate a post. i must have some network issue in Europe. (ISP, routers or something else)


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Crashman   07-12-2002 at 03:52:54 AM
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I just did-SiS is more of an underdog that VIA.

<font color=blue>At least half of all problems are caused by an insufficient power supply!</font color=blue>

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Oni   07-12-2002 at 10:16:07 AM
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My Dads computer has seen two sides of Via in the last month. First he had a Duron 800 on an Abit KT7-RAID (KT133 chipset) and that computer was completely unstable, it was hell no matter what I tried to do with it, and its hardware (Aureal Sound card ATI AIW 128 pro).
Now I upgraded his machine to an Abit AT7 and his computer hit a 1 month uptime today. Same hardware minus the Aureal sound card.
One month uptime on a machine running UD 24 hours, IRC, AIM, Photoshop here and there, Word here and there, Excel, Front Page, Internet Explorer, hardware monitor program, winamp, winzip, windows media player, quicktime, and I'm sure a few other programs I've missed. In a one month uptime all this has been used relatively regularly (some more than others of coarse) its hard to believe, but Via has a stable chipset in its KT333, and if I'm not mistaken their P4 chipsets are just as stable, if not more so.

BTW if your wondering what happened to my dads KT7 and duron, it is now my sisters computer without the Aureal card, and without the ATI card and is now close to a 2 week uptime. Although all it runs is AIM, IRC, UD, and IE6. It is still doing much better than the 3 crashes a day minimum that it was pulling before. When you build via you can't just throw any junk hardware in. I guess Intel chipsets supporting crap hardware IS a good thing. I personally build computers with quality parts so Via isn't normally a problem, except my dads computer (He would not let me replace ANY of his hardware until he broke down for the AT7 upgrade)

Gosh I'm such a nerd sometimes, but then again arn't we all. :smile:

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Crashman   07-12-2002 at 11:28:44 PM
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Acutally the crashes were probably caused by the chipset not being able to cope with such a powerful sound card. It's a PCI issue that all VIA chipsets have had. Look at it this way, SiS, ALi, and Intel chipsets all work with the Aureal sound card, but VIA had problems. VIA has also had problems with the Live series, and with other lesser known hardware. So you can't just say that Intel chipsets can handle junk hardware, because SiS and ALi handle the same hardware. Instead you can only say that this top notch hardware works with everything EXCEPT VIA, so it has to be a problem with VIA. BTW, I've never had a problem with my Vortex2, in fact, it's still producing better sound than anything Creative can produce, and perfectly stable on my Intel chipset.

<font color=blue>At least half of all problems are caused by an insufficient power supply!</font color=blue>

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IIB   07-14-2002 at 03:36:09 AM
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Im an Israeli LOVE ME :))

edit: I cant belive I just wrote israel with a typo ;)
btw are we the underdog? im not sure any more....


This post is best viewed with common sense enabled<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by iib on 07/14/02 04:38 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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Crashman   07-14-2002 at 04:29:45 AM
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Sorry, can't do that, but if you're nice to me I might <i>like</i> you.

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