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Defence Closes on Pirate Bay Trial's Final Day

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March 4, 2009 12:57:50 AM

go pirate bay!
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March 4, 2009 2:13:40 AM

im usually against piracy, but DAMN their trackers are fast lol

nonetheless they put up a good point. go pirate bay!
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March 4, 2009 2:20:50 AM

I shot the sheriff!
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March 4, 2009 2:29:34 AM

and it looks like they will win again. knew this was going to happen
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March 4, 2009 2:30:36 AM

GOD BLESS THE BAY!
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March 4, 2009 3:39:26 AM

Pirate Bay FTW!
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March 4, 2009 3:46:02 AM

If Pirate Bay dies, I would be fcked! Almost every software from my computer comes from Pirate Bay. Go PB!
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March 4, 2009 4:56:46 AM

TPB is just another search engine. It's like Google for torrents. There's links to porn and copyrighted material on Google, let's sue Google too.
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March 4, 2009 5:16:09 AM

Wow I didn't think this case would be so fast. While I think PB should be the obvious winner of the case though I don't think this will be the last time they get harassed like this.
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March 4, 2009 5:37:43 AM

I'm more interested in this trial because of the precedence it will set.

I doubt they'll lose, but this is only Sweden. I wonder is any other countries will follow suit.

judeh101If Pirate Bay dies, I would be fcked! Almost every software from my computer comes from Pirate Bay. Go PB!

You're an idiot.

Could you at least pretend like you're not a selfish ass?
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March 4, 2009 6:06:51 AM

Go Pirate Bay!
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March 4, 2009 6:14:54 AM

TindytimYou're an idiot.Could you at least pretend like you're not a selfish ass?


Selfish? No. Poor? Yes. :) 
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March 4, 2009 6:51:04 AM

Pirate Bay makes money? surprised to learn that. Thought it was just ran by enthusiasts.
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March 4, 2009 6:56:14 AM

sebojSelfish? No. Poor? Yes.

There are thousands of other places you can get copyrighted products for free.

Hell, Mininova has a higher (as in lower) Alexa rating than the piratebay, at 85 and 106 respectively. So it's not like the piratebay losing is going to stop piracy. It's just going to set a certain precendence on internet technology, and how it's going to be used. Not to mention how it will affect our privacy when it comes to those technologies.
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March 4, 2009 6:58:18 AM

bin1127Pirate Bay makes money? surprised to learn that. Thought it was just ran by enthusiasts.

Considering how much it costs to run a website, that is the 106th most visited website (according to Alexia), the amount of money they make off of ad-revenue is most likely severely offset by operating costs.
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March 4, 2009 7:13:42 AM

TindytimThere are thousands of other places you can get copyrighted products for free.


Personally, I find running a search on to be far more efficient then searching TPB, mininova, etc separately.

But hey, that's just my piracy tip of the day. :) 
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March 4, 2009 8:07:48 AM

it is getting revenue from some advertisements. i expect its revenue around $100K.
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March 4, 2009 8:09:53 AM

sebojPersonally, I find running a search on to be far more efficient then searching TPB, mininova, etc separately.But hey, that's just my piracy tip of the day.

The search on what?
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March 4, 2009 12:11:50 PM

zodiacfmlit is getting revenue from some advertisements. i expect its revenue around $100K.


Actually I think it's closer to $200K. I'm just going to throw that number out there without any kind of justification or reference and expect people to take me seriously.

*shakes head*

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March 4, 2009 12:53:13 PM

Let's take it easy on the "TPB WINS!" comments - we don't want to jinx them. I'm sure more of us than not are rooting for them, but let's not count our chickens. I'll be holding my breath and crossing my fingers for free internet techonology everywhere until April 17th.
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March 4, 2009 1:07:45 PM

Can anyone actually confirm that the people that run PB actually profits from the site itself? I'm not talking about ad revenue to keep the sit up either I mean cash in their personal wallets.

Though even if they did would that be illegal? Doesn't quite sound like it. A DVD burner can be used to break the law and the hardware companies that make them profit from their sales.
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March 4, 2009 1:11:01 PM

Searching on google beats searching any individual torrent site. This is undeniable.
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March 4, 2009 1:46:01 PM

(reads comments) Wow...no wonder PC gaming is struggling. Do none of you have a conscience?

I don't know all the legal ins and outs when it comes to TPB specifically, but to see so many of you rooting for them and "God Bless"ing them sickens me. Truth is not determined by a show of hands people--software piracy is still illegal.
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March 4, 2009 1:52:55 PM

NuclearShadowCan anyone actually confirm that the people that run PB actually profits from the site itself? ...A DVD burner can be used to break the law and the hardware companies that make them profit from their sales.


But the companies that make DVD burners do not condone such activity--in fact they discourage it by including software that does not allow you to copy copywrighted CD/DVDs. If they started including Daemon Tools with their CD burners, for example, it may be a different issue.

I know that in past cases when you openly condone or encourage piracy you usually get busted. Is TPB doing that? How far over the line do they need to step in order to be doing it? Well, based on their name alone, if this case were in the US they'd almost definately be shut down, but Sweden? Not familiar enough with it to answer.
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March 4, 2009 2:14:35 PM

bourgeoisdude(reads comments) Wow...no wonder PC gaming is struggling. Do none of you have a conscience?I don't know all the legal ins and outs when it comes to TPB specifically, but to see so many of you rooting for them and "God Bless"ing them sickens me. Truth is not determined by a show of hands people--software piracy is still illegal.


No one laments the lack of support of the PC more than I. It was my first gaming love after all. Back when the game consisted of moving ASCII characters around the screen (wow I'm old). I've seen posts online of people wondering why anyone would pay for a game. I pay for my games. I pay for them because I want them to make more and as a amature programmer I understand it's hard (but fun) work and they deserve to get paid.

No one here is advocating piracy that I've seen. Bittorrent is not illegal. Is it used for piracy sometimes, of course it is. Is it also used for distribution of content without the need of costly servers. For an amature programmer like myself, when I do (rarely) publish freeware I distribute using torrents. It's a no cost option for me to get my software to other people so that I can keep it free. Why should I and others be punished because someone else uses it illegally? With this logic you have to ban virtually everything because it could be used illegally.

So yes I say Go Pirate Bay!

Btw in case you didn't get it, the screwed comment was a joke-watch the video
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March 4, 2009 2:38:24 PM

why go after bittorrent. Megaupload and rapidshare are much easier to use and might have more illegal software on them than anyone else. I wont be affected by this, just because of the fact that I'm too lazy to install bit torrent on my pc.But, just to go with everyone else. Go Pirate Bay!
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March 4, 2009 2:47:58 PM

TindytimThe search on what?


Well that was odd.. There was a link there to www.torrentz.com but apparently my post ate itself?
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March 4, 2009 4:14:39 PM

Oh Yes these boys are free, I just can’t see how they are guilty. I’m not Pro Piracy; I just don’t think these people are guilty of anything.

Smith & Wesson would be guilty of a whole lot of Murders, largest serial killers ever!
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March 4, 2009 4:22:42 PM

NuclearShadowCan anyone actually confirm that the people that run PB actually profits from the site itself? I'm not talking about ad revenue to keep the sit up either I mean cash in their personal wallets. Though even if they did would that be illegal? Doesn't quite sound like it. A DVD burner can be used to break the law and the hardware companies that make them profit from their sales.

They provide a free service, what people use it for doesn't matter as long as TPB is within the law.

Look at Rapidshare. They actually host Terabytes of copyrighted material for free download. Without piracy, Rapidshare would go under pretty quickly. You can make a much better case against Rapidshare than you can against TPB, and you'd probably get a hell of a lot more money. I don't see why we aren't hearing about them.
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March 4, 2009 5:06:32 PM

I still refuse to accept that the simple act of copying something you own is piracy, or getting a second to infinity copy in a different format is piracy. DRM is nothing more than Digital Rights Theft. Pirate Bay (actually it's dirivitives), in my case anyways, increases the sales of many games that I would otherwise refuse to purchase and put on my computer because of the DRM encoded in them. I do not buy games that have stringent DRM on them until a CD/DVD crack has been made, thus allowing me to keep the media in it's protective case. I keep copies of all games, all software I install on my computer on a hard drive in the form of ISO's. I install windows, I install a CD/DVD emulator, I install everything from there. I download almost all of my ISOs from P2P networks, such that places like Pirate Bay link me to, the reason is because I do not wish to spend my time trying to figure out how to extract the information from the CD/DVD myself. This could all be gotten rid of if the game makers just simply allowed owners to copy their disks for personal use. It is not like it prevents anyone, except the few people still on dial-up from getting pritated copies if they wish to steal, and those on dial-up usually live in countries where storefronts sell pirated versions of the software for a little more than the cost of the media it is burned to.

When I was in Ukraine, they had an entire district setup for nothing but pirated CD's, MP3's, and every other computer software on the planet, and they were up to date with everything. Same goes for Philippines, Italy, Poland and Greece. If it is not downloadable, it is burnable, and no amount of DRM will stop it or even slow it down.
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March 4, 2009 5:10:49 PM

What about all these online video sites hell every single one has full movies and tv shows and the content is on there site.

You tube has thousands of tv shows and movies if you know how to look for them.

Pirate bay has no direct links or store any information it would be like trying to sue google because someone looked up how to make a bomb.
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March 4, 2009 5:18:51 PM

To me, the real issue has nothing to do with TPB website. If the prosecution had any understanding of the technology, they'd be going after the fact that TPB probably hosts the largest number of trackers. Really, their website is no different that a google search, just more tailored to the torrent market. Hosting trackers on the other hand, that could get them in trouble.
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March 4, 2009 5:23:09 PM

Look how slow pirate bay's web site is now. With all this media attention, it has shown a ton of people how to pirate who otherwise probably would not have happened across this site. I haven't used pirate bay in over 2 years because there are better ways to find things. Also you don't need pirate bay to get around DRM, if you look around there are sites that host the file you need to take your store bought copy installed and crack the DRM out. I don't see why you really _have to_ download the whole entire piece of software to get around that.

Also pirate bay hosts the torrent file. I just searched for a game and look where the torrent file is, http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/XXXXXX/XXXXXXXX.XXXXXX... Google does not host pirated software that you search for, nor do they host the means to acquire it. So I don't see any merit in saying that google is the same as pirate bay. I'm sure you can find pirated software with any web search engine.

I think you guys are crying over spilt milk. Once pirate bay is gone, look how many other torrent sites are out there that you can use. Sure they are filled to the brim with spam and malware unlike pirate bay, but you can still illegally copy your software if you wish.

Imo torrents aren't that safe to use because I have heard many cases of people getting emails or even sued by the RIAA when they found out people were hosting files. I know you guys will come back telling me of some magical software that hides your ip or whatever, but truth of the matter is whatever you do on the internet can be traced back to your desktop.
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March 4, 2009 5:34:07 PM

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Imo torrents aren't that safe to use because I have heard many cases of people getting emails or even sued by the RIAA when they found out people were hosting files. I know you guys will come back telling me of some magical software that hides your ip or whatever, but truth of the matter is whatever you do on the internet can be traced back to your desktop.


Not true, just use an anonymous proxy.

As for the rest of your comment, I don't really care about TPB, just the precedent that is set if they lose this case. Sure, other site will pop-up, but it will be much easier to prosecute them just by referencing TPB case.
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March 4, 2009 10:56:28 PM

If I had a big commercial garage, and let people chop stolen cars in it, would I be guilty of anything? I mean, it is my property. And I know that a crime is being committed on it. Technically, since it is my property, and there are stolen goods on it, I am in posession of stolen property. I'm surprised that the prosecutors don't try pushing for this.

And yes, I work in the games industry. The amount piracy costs PC gaming is beyond staggering. It's why the bulk of development funding all goes into consoles. Except for the occasional savvy modder, or the indy developer with the cojones and ability to self-fund (Go Valve!), PC game development is a losing proposition.
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March 4, 2009 11:37:00 PM

gm0n3yNot true, just use an anonymous proxy.As for the rest of your comment, I don't really care about TPB, just the precedent that is set if they lose this case. Sure, other site will pop-up, but it will be much easier to prosecute them just by referencing TPB case.


If the proxy is compromised by law officials where it is hosted, they can figure out what computers are accessing it and it will point out through traceroute back to the routers and eventually to your ISP. This has been done before. Proxy hopping is not new, people were doing it clear back in the early 90's hacking sites and getting caught.
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March 4, 2009 11:48:00 PM

rynogreeneIf I had a big commercial garage, and let people chop stolen cars in it, would I be guilty of anything? I mean, it is my property. And I know that a crime is being committed on it. Technically, since it is my property, and there are stolen goods on it, I am in posession of stolen property. I'm surprised that the prosecutors don't try pushing for this.And yes, I work in the games industry. The amount piracy costs PC gaming is beyond staggering. It's why the bulk of development funding all goes into consoles. Except for the occasional savvy modder, or the indy developer with the cojones and ability to self-fund (Go Valve!), PC game development is a losing proposition.


That is interesting too, and I do agree that it appears that console sales do incredibly well compared to PC. But I believe there might be other factors involved such as ease of plug and play and also not having to worry about driver issues, faulty hardware, etc (although yeah the xbox360 is as matter of fact generally a faulty piece of hardware). But on the other hand, I don't know very many people who don't mod their 360 to pirate games and everyone knows 360 and wii are the most popular systems out and both can be pirated. I bet you'll find more peers on pirate bay for xbox 360 isos than for PC isos too :) 
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March 5, 2009 6:09:17 AM

rynogreeneIf I had a big commercial garage, and let people chop stolen cars in it, would I be guilty of anything? I mean, it is my property. And I know that a crime is being committed on it. Technically, since it is my property, and there are stolen goods on it, I am in posession of stolen property. I'm surprised that the prosecutors don't try pushing for this.

That would work against Rapidshare, because they actually host the copyrighted files. But TPB just hosts files, that tell you were to get copyrighted files.

If I sold maps, and they had a meth lab on them, am I going to be responsible for the people that buy meth from that lab? Sure, putting that on my map is going to attract a difference crowd, but I'm not selling the meth, and I'm not buying the meth. I never handled any product.

rynogreeneAnd yes, I work in the games industry. The amount piracy costs PC gaming is beyond staggering. It's why the bulk of development funding all goes into consoles. Except for the occasional savvy modder, or the indy developer with the cojones and ability to self-fund (Go Valve!), PC game development is a losing proposition.

Piracy is just a scapegoat for diminishing sales. I know more people that pirate console games, then people who play PC games. That has nothing to do with piracy, that has to do with a lack of interest, and an increase in Replay value (The only PC game I've played recently is TF2). The PC is relagated to FPSs and MMOs. Consoles has better control methods for just about every other type of game.
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March 5, 2009 3:55:14 PM

rooketLook how slow pirate bay's web site is now. With all this media attention, it has shown a ton of people how to pirate who otherwise probably would not have happened across this site. I haven't used pirate bay in over 2 years because there are better ways to find things. Also you don't need pirate bay to get around DRM, if you look around there are sites that host the file you need to take your store bought copy installed and crack the DRM out. I don't see why you really _have to_ download the whole entire piece of software to get around that.Also pirate bay hosts the torrent file. I just searched for a game and look where the torrent file is, http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/X [...] PB.torrent Google does not host pirated software that you search for, nor do they host the means to acquire it. So I don't see any merit in saying that google is the same as pirate bay. I'm sure you can find pirated software with any web search engine.I think you guys are crying over spilt milk. Once pirate bay is gone, look how many other torrent sites are out there that you can use. Sure they are filled to the brim with spam and malware unlike pirate bay, but you can still illegally copy your software if you wish.Imo torrents aren't that safe to use because I have heard many cases of people getting emails or even sued by the RIAA when they found out people were hosting files. I know you guys will come back telling me of some magical software that hides your ip or whatever, but truth of the matter is whatever you do on the internet can be traced back to your desktop.

You do if you do not want the DRM virus' installed on your computer. Try to get securom removed from your computer. It runs nonstop, cannot be removed short of an entire disk wipe, it does not even uninstall when you remove all the software that uses it. It is a virus, it wastes my computer resources and I do not want it on my computer.
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March 5, 2009 5:30:52 PM

A StonerYou do if you do not want the DRM virus' installed on your computer. Try to get securom removed from your computer. It runs nonstop, cannot be removed short of an entire disk wipe, it does not even uninstall when you remove all the software that uses it. It is a virus, it wastes my computer resources and I do not want it on my computer.


Not to mention that it conflicts with some drivers and can cause random reboots and visual artifacts even when not gaming at all.
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March 5, 2009 7:43:29 PM

A Stoner that statement proves nothing, I said you don't need pirate bay in particular to get around that. Pirate bay does not crack games and whatever they have available was available somewhere else first. Also there are still crack sites around on the web so you don't necessarily have to download the entire software package with crack included if you already bought it. I can just make an assumption that you would have to if I'm assuming that you're trying to say that if you install the original it automatically installs that DRM software and adds it to your services. Why would you have to do a disk clean up to get rid of something that sounds to me like it's running as a service? That doesn't make much sense. Either it's in the registry, startup, or services. I haven't ever come across windows software that automatically loads any other way, just wouldn't make sense at all.
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March 6, 2009 3:03:35 AM

rooketEither it's in the registry, startup, or services. I haven't ever come across windows software that automatically loads any other way, just wouldn't make sense at all.

Never heard of a Rootkit?
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March 6, 2009 3:41:57 PM

I read about the DRM stuff on wikipedia. The rootkit was denied by the manufacturer and I only saw like less than 5 pieces of software listed, none of which is any interest to me. It's interesting that when a company is trying to save their software from being pirated, they end up getting sued by the consumer. One of those games in particular, Spore, was cracked very very early on so it just amazes the hell out of me that they got sued over that. My friend has it installed and never made a peep about the copy protection since he got it off the internet, but he surely did not get it off of a torrent.
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