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Best DDR chipset/motherboard for P4 w/ 533MHz FSB

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July 11, 2002 10:32:19 PM

I would figure the Intel 845G would be the most stable, but are the VIA and SiS solutions worth the money saved? Also, what would your choices for the best motherboard using each chipset?

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July 11, 2002 10:38:34 PM

The SiS 645DX performs better than any other P4 DDR chipset, and has a great record of stability and compatability. In fact all of SiS's new chipsets for the past year or so have been virtually flawless. Normally I'd go for the Intel chipset, but I simply can't find any reason not to get the better performing, cheaper SiS chipset.

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July 11, 2002 11:41:20 PM

I've heard good things about the SiS chipset. What's a good motherboard that uses that one?

I am particularly interested in FUGGER, AMD_Man, Fatburger, and maybe Raystonn's opinions, as they've all been bouncing these subjects back and forth for a good while, now.

--S.
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July 12, 2002 12:37:54 AM

for a sis 645dx board...the asus P4S533 seems to be a popular one (i have the P4S333 btw...which is the original 645 chip)...

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July 12, 2002 1:45:33 AM

The Asus P4S533 is a great board, it's also the most popular. I don't know if a better performing board has been released since, but I do know the P4S533 has a solid reputation.

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July 12, 2002 1:50:53 AM

Best DDR is the IT7, second best is the BD7-II

I dislike the SIS chipsets for overclocking, stock they are fine.

I would not consider a VIA chipset

I845G is onboard video, if you plan on using a AGP video card avoid the G version.

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July 12, 2002 2:03:17 AM

Now, I'd be putting a P4 1.6A or 1.8A in and running at at 533MHz FSB. I also hoped to use PC2700 DDR RAM. The 845E chipset supposedly doesn't support PC2700 DDR RAM, correct?
July 12, 2002 2:35:53 AM

Thanks for the good topic sdausmus... I'm trying to make my final descision on this also...

I've come to this conclusion... the Asus P4S533 with a Northwood "B" 533 Mhz Core (FSB) with DDR Pc2700 Ram... only thing that is left bothering me is I would like this board to have USB 2.0 support, but I don't really use anything like external Scanners or External USB drives that would use it so I think that will be my choice.

Maybe Asus will release another 645DX chipset board with all the P4S533 features and USB 2.0 support in the next 60 day's.. (smile, I hope so!)

My other choice is the Abit IT7 Board with a Northwood "B" 533 FSB chip and DDR2700 Ram and overclock it even though it doesn't officially support pc2700 DDR Ram... (This board does not have the old 9 pin comm port so I think I have to pass on it, as I need that port for a programmer...)

Lastly, Correct me if I'm wrong but a Northwood "B" 533 FSB chip with Pc2700 DDR ram will outperform a I850 Chipset with Rambus PC800... but NOT with the Rambus PC1066... and with PC1066 not readily available for me and probley little more expensive I'm left with the pc2700 solution... maybe in 60 day's pc1066 will be a good buy, it's not on my price list yet though.

L8r,
Vince
July 12, 2002 2:49:16 AM

I have the P4S533. I am running a 1.6a at 588MHz FSB and it is completely stable. I attempted 600MHz but was unsuccessful. I'm using Corsair XMS PC3200 RAM. Perhaps with the Samsung you may have better luck. I don't believe the 845E supports PC2700 RAM but the 845G does. With the P4S533 you don't get USB 2.0 but you get built in LAN which is nice so you have a free PCI slot.

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July 12, 2002 2:54:10 AM

olala it is too expensive all that stuff.
i suggest you a Celeron 1.1A for 58$, a DFI AD70-SC 62.5$ & 256MB DDR-SDRAM PC2100 generic memory 52.5$. for less than 200$ you have a complet configuration.



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July 12, 2002 2:54:42 AM

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Lastly, Correct me if I'm wrong but a Northwood "B" 533 FSB chip with Pc2700 DDR ram will outperform a I850 Chipset with Rambus PC800... but NOT with the Rambus PC1066

In most benchmarks I believe that is true.

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maybe in 60 day's pc1066 will be a good buy, it's not on my price list yet though.

RAM prices have been steadily going up. It might be a better idea to buy now.

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July 12, 2002 4:40:09 AM

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olala it is too expensive all that stuff.
i suggest you a Celeron 1.1A for 58$, a DFI AD70-SC 62.5$ & 256MB DDR-SDRAM PC2100 generic memory 52.5$. for less than 200$ you have a complet configuration.

If he went that route what kind of upgrade path would he have? A Pentium 4 would be considerably more performance too.
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Lastly, Correct me if I'm wrong but a Northwood "B" 533 FSB chip with Pc2700 DDR ram will outperform a I850 Chipset with Rambus PC800...

I believe PC800 rambus bandwidth is around 3100 theoretical (forgot the units), and PC2700 DDR is well....2700 Theoretical. You need PC3200 (DDR400) to beat PC800 Rambus.
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I845G is onboard video, if you plan on using a AGP video card avoid the G version.

The 845G chipset has a multiplier in it that isn't part of the 845E chipset. 845G allows a 4:5 FSB:MEM ratio allowing for PC2700 DDR333 ram. The Abit BG7 (has 845G chipset) is proving to be a very nice overclocker, and the extra price for the onboard video is negligable, not to mention onboard video is a good backup in event of a video card going bad. I also agree that the SiS chipset is good for running when not overclocked. 845E or 845G win out if you plan to overclock.
As far as Via is concerned, I *would* consider the P4X400 chipset. The P4X333 that didn't get very popular was a powerful chipset, almost beating PC800 performance with simply PC2700 ram. From the name I'm guessing the P4X400 will support PC3200 (DDR400) and might even be able to give PC1066 rambus a run for its money. Via's chipsets are finally becoming half decent stability wise. My dads AT7 has an uptime of 3 weeks, 6 days, and 20 something hours (it rolls over 1 month uptime early this morning). My IT7 is typically only able to reach 1 week uptimes before something goes awry. Its just to bad Via doesn't have a liscense with intel, so a good motherboard with P4X400 might be hard to come by.

Gosh I'm such a nerd sometimes, but then again arn't we all. :smile:
July 12, 2002 5:14:58 AM

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I believe PC800 rambus bandwidth is around 3100 theoretical (forgot the units), and PC2700 DDR is well....2700 Theoretical. You need PC3200 (DDR400) to beat PC800 Rambus.

actually...the sis 645dx chipset with pc2700 ram is about on par with the 850 and PC800 ram...putting pc3200 ram with the sis 645dx will outperform the 850 w/pc800....and will be slightly less than 850E w/ pc1066...

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July 12, 2002 5:19:52 AM

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As far as Via is concerned, I *would* consider the P4X400 chipset. The P4X333 that didn't get very popular was a powerful chipset, almost beating PC800 performance with simply PC2700 ram. From the name I'm guessing the P4X400 will support PC3200 (DDR400) and might even be able to give PC1066 rambus a run for its money. Via's chipsets are finally becoming half decent stability wise. My dads AT7 has an uptime of 3 weeks, 6 days, and 20 something hours (it rolls over 1 month uptime early this morning). My IT7 is typically only able to reach 1 week uptimes before something goes awry. Its just to bad Via doesn't have a liscense with intel, so a good motherboard with P4X400 might be hard to come by.

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July 12, 2002 7:01:28 AM

Sorry, I didn't catch that thread, I havn't been keeping up on this forums, theres lots of hostility. HardOCP forums community is a lot more mellow and understanding.

Gosh I'm such a nerd sometimes, but then again arn't we all. :smile:
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July 12, 2002 2:03:38 PM

i have observed & tried other forums like HardOCP, AnandTech, SharklyExtreme & others... the level of knowledge, the aid there are inferior. this forum is alot better when ppl take the effort to post here. :smile: i think from now it's more related to vacation. moreover ppl here are sympathetic despite of several short arguing quarrels. :smile: the "other" section from where we can talk about everything is another plus. :smile:


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July 12, 2002 4:09:56 PM

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I've heard good things about the SiS chipset. What's a good motherboard that uses that one?

I am particularly interested in FUGGER, AMD_Man, Fatburger, and maybe Raystonn's opinions, as they've all been bouncing these subjects back and forth for a good while, now.

I know people have been discussing RAM and motherboards for the P4 for a while now. Back when the P4 was just launched in 2000, your options were extremely limited but now, you probably have a wider array of options than you do with AMD mobo selection. You have a wide number of decent chipsets. However, there is no one best combo that I would recommend to everyone. I myself have tried the Abit TH7II-RAID and the Abit IT7 and both seem to be fabulous motherboards. At the moment PC1066 is the fastest RAM but it carries a heavy premium price that you'll have to pay. DDR333 and PC800 roughly match each other in performance depending on the app. Good quality PC800 still costs a bit more than good quality DDR333. Most motherboards with Intel chipsets have the ability to lock the PCI/AGP bus so you can overclock them higher. The SiS 645DX is a great chipset but it lacks the ability to lock the PCI/AGP bus above 133MHz. However, the SiS 645DX is the fastest DDR chipset because it can be paired with DDR400 without overclocking. DDR400 is slightly faster than PC800 and slightly slower than PC1066. The only board that has the SiS 645DX chipset and allows DDR400 that I know of is the P4S533. A great reasonably priced combo running at stock speed would be an Asus P4S533 with Samsung, KingMax or Corsair PC3200 (DDR400) RAM. As for stability, I wouldn't think too much about it. As long as you avoid VIA on an Intel platform, you're fine.

That takes me to another point:

Some people prefer to have an all Intel system; that is, an Intel processor with an Intel motherboard or at least an Intel based motherboard. If that's the case, and you still can't see yourself spending extra for PC800 or even more for PC1066, get an IT7 (if you don't care about legacy support; the IT7 is all USB and Firewire), or BD7II (if you still need legacy support, such as a parallel port, serial ports, PS/2 ports). However, if you have loads of cash and want the best of the best, I'd wait for the P4T533 and RIMM4200 RAM. RIMM4200 is a new standard of RDRAM. PC1066 is just as fast as RIMM4200 but it has to be installed in pairs. If you just want to go with PC1066 then get the P4T533-C. I wouldn't recommend the Gigabyte GA-8IHXP because the price is simply too inflated at the moment. Sure it has extra features but it's priced $100US higher than the other boards for no good reason, in my opinon. I'm sure they'll drop the price a bit in a while.

Well, I hope this helps.

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July 13, 2002 12:39:59 AM

Aren't the IT7 and BD7II boards based on the 845E chipset, and thus unable to support PC2700 RAM? If I'm going to get something with the 533MHz FSB, I want to use something other than PC2100 RAM.

--S.
July 13, 2002 1:51:51 AM

Yes, you can run your RAM at 354MHz when the FSB is at 533MHz.

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July 13, 2002 1:51:59 AM

Yes, you can run your RAM at 354MHz when the FSB is at 533MHz.

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July 13, 2002 2:46:23 AM

Well, I'm getting a P4 1.8A, 512MB of (hopefully real) Samsung PC2700 RAM, and a BD7II-RAID. These are the possibilities I'm considering right now:

P4 1.8A @ 150FSB - 2.7GHz w/ DDR400

P4 1.8A @ 150FSB - 2.7GHz w/ DDR300

P4 1.8A @ 133FSB - 2.4GHz w/ DDR354

Or something in between,

P4 1.8A @ 140FSB - 2.52GHz w/ DDR373

So, although the i845E doesn't *support* PC2700, that should disuade you from getting it. As you can see, if you've got good enough RAM, you can run it at PC3200 or higher if you wanted to.

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July 13, 2002 4:27:38 AM

i bought a P4S533 with 1.6a and pc2700 samsung ram from newegg about 2 weeks ago. everything is working fine and dandy. it overclocks great and i highly recommend it. i can run the processor stable at 2.32, with the ram at cl2.5 and a 4:6 ratio. i get excellent benchmarks with that setup on the sisoftware sandra 2002. anyone know how can i get this beast to 2.4?? i havent messed with the voltages yet...or any of those memory timings....
pekstein

p.s. id really like to get it to 2.4 because my friend who owns a abit th7_II or whatever its called (it has 850 chipset with pc800 rdram), a p4 1.6a, and some cheap kingston rdram has a huge ego and thinks his computer can beat mine at benchmarks. well anyway, we are having a lan party in a week or so and i want to kick his *ss so bad. so if you can help me id appreciate it. (sorry this is a little off topic)

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July 13, 2002 5:20:35 AM

your memory could be holding you back...try setting the ratio to 4:5, 4:3 or 1:1 and try getting your 1.6 higher...

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July 13, 2002 1:29:46 PM

Set the ratio at 4:5, then raise the FSB. If that doesn't work, raise the voltage ... hmm it's at 1.5v right now right? If it is, I'd raise it to 1.525V first and see how much farther you can go.

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July 13, 2002 3:41:39 PM

Hey pek, do you have to hit reset everytime you reboot? If I set the cpu/mem frequency to anything other than auto I have to hit reset or it won't POST. Can I do something to prevent this? It's rather annoying.

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anyone know how can i get this beast to 2.4??

Usually 1.55V should do the trick. You may have to burn in your RAM, however.

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July 13, 2002 7:28:24 PM

Thanks for the advice everyone. my computer is running fine at 2.4 ghz at a 4:5 ratio and ram at cl2.5. The CPU scores in sandra are way up, but the memory bandwith scores have gone down, probably due to the lower ratio. oh well. i still have not changed the voltage. do you think that would enable me to get it to 2.4 ghz and 4:6 ratio? that would probably give me optimum performance.

also, the computer will not finish the 3dmark 2001 scores. it will just stop in the middle of the lobby scene and go back to the desktop. im not really concerned but i thought id mention that.

and black cat, yes i did notice that when i had my computer running at the 4:6 ratio, in order for me to shut it down or restart, i would have to either press and hold the power button or press the reset button. now that it is at 4:5, though, it will restart/shutdown fine. strange isnt it.

pekstein

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July 13, 2002 7:53:26 PM

None of it is strange. Both your RAM and CPU need extra voltage. Raise the VCore and VMem up a bit and try 4:6 ratio again.

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July 13, 2002 8:13:09 PM

ok i pushed vcore to 1.525 and tried 2.4 ghz and 4:6 ratio. wouldn't work. then i tried 1.550 with 2.4 ghz and 4:6 ratio. wouldnt work.

pekstein

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July 13, 2002 8:26:29 PM

Raise the VMem to 2.7V too.

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July 14, 2002 4:22:01 AM

sorry to n00b up the place but where do you find Vmem?

pekstein

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July 15, 2002 4:53:10 PM

There's a jumper located on the upper right hand corner of your mobo. There are 3 possible settings: 2.5v(default), 2.7v and 2.9. It's on page 27 of your manual. I've tried all settings and even pushed the core voltage over 1.7 and I still have to reset if I set the cpu/mem to 4:5. At 4:6 Win2k crashes. Right now I have the cpu/mem set to Auto. Does Auto mean 1:1 or does it automatically recognize the speed of my RAM and adjust the cpu/mem frequency accordingly?

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July 15, 2002 5:03:52 PM

Well, I don't think auto is whatever your RAM is cause, then you'd be able to run PC2700/PC3200. It's probably just 1:1 maybe?

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July 16, 2002 5:34:28 AM

black cat,
thanks for your info on the vmem.
but i am having the same problems as you. i moved the jumper so it was on 2.7 vmem, raised the vcore to 1.525, changed the fsb to 150(x16=2.4 ghz), and it crashed loading up windows xp pro. then i changed the vcore to 1.55, and the same thing happened. i dont want to raise the voltage any more because of that one guys post about voltage being bad for the p4. right now my computer is fine at 2.32 ghz,vmem 2.7, vcore 1.5, and ratio 4:6. i guess thats as far as it goes..
thanks for the help everyone

pekstein

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July 16, 2002 3:54:26 PM

try lowering the ration of your ram to 4:5 and try overclocking your cpu again.....your ram may be holding you back...

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July 16, 2002 4:36:51 PM

so 4:6 is out of the question i guess. would changing the memory timings help?
pekstein

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July 16, 2002 5:05:49 PM

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would changing the memory timings help?

if you have your memory set to SPD...then no...otherwise...maybe...be faster timings with slightly slower memory is better than faster memory with slow ttimings...i think...

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July 16, 2002 10:21:21 PM

ok, well ill just stick to 2.4 ghz and a 4:5 ratio. thats good enough for me. later on ill try changing the memory timings just to see if my computer performs any better
thanks

pekstein

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July 16, 2002 10:25:47 PM

and black cat, about the vmem. i noticed in the manual it said
"cAUTION! It is advisable not to increase the voltage excessively to prevent the memory system from being exposed to undue strain."

right now ive got the vmem at 2.7. is there any real danger here? or is that warning there just to scare me?

pekstein

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July 17, 2002 2:08:38 AM

I went through every setting and nothing bad happened. I'm using the Corsair XMS PC3200 RAM which has a heat spreader. If you don't have a heat spreader cranking up your RAM voltage, I suppose, may cause damage. I've read in other forums that people have run Samsung PC2700 RAM at 2.9V without trouble.

The best I could do with my 1.6a is 2.3Ghz with 4:5 cpu/mem ratio with the RAM voltage @ 2.5V and the core voltage @ 1.55V.

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July 17, 2002 8:06:04 PM

yeah thats about the best i can do too. oh well, a 700 mhz overclock is still pretty nice. :-)

pekstein

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July 18, 2002 6:55:29 AM

I've read about so many people running 1.6a's to 2.4GHz and beyond so I can't say I'm not disappointed. Furthermore, I spent megabucks on that Corsair PC3200 RAM in hopes of running cpu/mem frequency at 4:6. Oh well. I guess I can't complain. It's stable.

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