Treo 650 vs. iPAQ 6315

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hi,

need some help in deciding between Treo 650 and iPAQ 6315. i know that
iPAQ has a resolution of 240x320, whereas the treo 650 has 320x320.
how much of a difference does that make. iPAQ is slightly buliker, but
probably has a larger screen as well. one of the biggest advantages i
can think of is the built-in WiFi on the iPAQ.

anyways, looking anxiously for comparisons and suggestions on this
topic.

thanks,
bala

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RonB wrote:
>
> But I don't use WiFi either so my *opinion* may be academic when taking
> into consideration your needs and wants.
>

Well, I am looking for a Wi-Fi card for my palm now that we finally got
an 802.11g network at home. I wish I would have bought one with built
in, but I didn't think I'd ever have a need for it.

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Well, I have a Sony. I just said "Palm". Anyways, for $80 bucks I can
get me a card to fit into the MemoryStick slot. But, I got a $200 one,
but it was used it great shape, aand I got it on eBay for #50. I don't
want to pay more for the Wi-Fi card than IO payed for the whole PDA!


RonB wrote:
> On Wed 18 May 2005 04:38:25p, Wasdin, Jake E., wrote:
>
>
>>Well, I am looking for a Wi-Fi card for my palm now that we finally got
>>an 802.11g network at home. I wish I would have bought one with built
>>in, but I didn't think I'd ever have a need for it.
>
>
> Do WiFi cards fit into SD slots? I'm guessing that's the only way you can
> get one into the Treo.
>
> (Sorry about my ignorance on this subject.)
>

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"RonB" <ronbNOSPAM@bliz.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed 18 May 2005 04:38:25p, Wasdin, Jake E., wrote:
>
> > Well, I am looking for a Wi-Fi card for my palm now that we finally got
> > an 802.11g network at home. I wish I would have bought one with built
> > in, but I didn't think I'd ever have a need for it.
>
> Do WiFi cards fit into SD slots? I'm guessing that's the only way you can
> get one into the Treo.
>
> (Sorry about my ignorance on this subject.)
>
> --
> RonB
> "There's a story there...somewhere"
=====

Palm just announced a WiFi portable cradle with its own power supply for
both the Treo 600 and 650. I think it made by a third party and is selling
for about $149US.

I have a Treo 600 and that with a fairly large s/w resource works really
well for communication, for telephone, and for reading most Office
applications (thru a 3rd party s/w).

Only recommendation, get one from Palm, as they are unlocked.

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On 19 May 2005 00:52:38 +0200, RonB <ronbNOSPAM@bliz.org> wrote:

>Do WiFi cards fit into SD slots? I'm guessing that's the only way you can
>get one into the Treo.
>(Sorry about my ignorance on this subject.)

Yes.. but PalmOne does not yet support their own WiFi card in their own Treo.
'Shadowmite' has hacked drivers from a T5 to work, but thy are not stable,and
only are known to work on Sprint's model of the 650.

A third-party 'sled' for WiFi is announced, as per Enfora, who has made sleds
for earlier PalmOne PDAs. However, it has not yet shipped.


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Hello, RonB !
You wrote:

> On Fri 20 May 2005 03:34:55p, John Bartley K7AAY telcom admin, Portland
> OR, wrote:
>
> > Yes.. but PalmOne does not yet support their own WiFi card in their
> > own Treo. 'Shadowmite' has hacked drivers from a T5 to work, but thy
> > are not stable,and only are known to work on Sprint's model of the
> > 650.
>
> PalmOne doesn't support their own product. How strange.

It is notoriously difficult to write drivers for wi-fi products of any kind
which is why they usually just target one or two devices and why it takes
forever to write them in the first place.
>
> > A third-party 'sled' for WiFi is announced, as per Enfora, who has
> > made sleds for earlier PalmOne PDAs. However, it has not yet shipped.
>
> "Sled?"

Actually if previous Enfora products are any indication, it will likely be
a case with built-in wi-fi circuitry which attaches to the hotsync port to
allow the 650 to receive data.
--
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on Route 128 doing a one-man tribute to the Three Stooges."
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On Sat 21 May 2005 05:27:09p, Quaoar, wrote:

> Not strange at all considering the PalmSource OS 4.x does not
> multitask, has crude memory management, and has not measureably
> improved in eight years. For some real Harvard Business Review
> material, Google: lifedrive . The Lifedrive, the new $500 Palm with
> the 4MB Hitachi CF drive, uses the same incapable OS.
> PalmSource/PalmOne are both in position to become notorious for their
> technology decisions for the Lifedrive. Half-baked device releases
> have become so common and predictable in the Palm world that users
> have said about the shortcommings, without hesitation, "this is
> probably just a stepping stone to the Real Device". The Real Device
> is the holy grail of the Palm world.

But doesn't the Treo 650 use Palm OS 5? I must be missing something here,
and I freely admit that is a very real possibility.

I realize that my Treo 300 doesn't use Wi-Fi -- at least not without add-
on devices -- but using the Sprint PCS Vision network this Palm OS 3.5,
33mhz device does a pretty good job of getting me on the Internet.

Didn't Palm, at one time, consider using the Psion/Symbian OS?

As for the Life Drive, I haven't even looked at it. I'm usually dealing
with products on the trailing edge of technology. These products may not
have the features of their newer counterparts, but usually they are a lot
more stable.

That said, I *do* think that, within a few months, I would like to
upgrade to a Treo 600. Windows Wireless (or Mobile, can't remember CE's
current name) is not an option for me.

--
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"There's a story there...somewhere"

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>On Sat 21 May 2005 05:27:09p, Quaoar, wrote:
>
>> Not strange at all considering the PalmSource OS 4.x does not
>> multitask, has crude memory management, and has not measureably
>> improved in eight years. For some real Harvard Business Review
>> material, Google: lifedrive . The Lifedrive, the new $500 Palm with
>> the 4MB Hitachi CF drive, uses the same incapable OS.
>> PalmSource/PalmOne are both in position to become notorious for their
>> technology decisions for the Lifedrive. Half-baked device releases
>> have become so common and predictable in the Palm world that users
>> have said about the shortcommings, without hesitation, "this is
>> probably just a stepping stone to the Real Device". The Real Device
>> is the holy grail of the Palm world.

On 22 May 2005 02:24:13 +0200, RonB <ronbNOSPAM@bliz.org> wrote:
>But doesn't the Treo 650 use Palm OS 5? I must be missing something here,
>and I freely admit that is a very real possibility.

You are correct.

>I realize that my Treo 300 doesn't use Wi-Fi -- at least not without add-
>on devices -- but using the Sprint PCS Vision network this Palm OS 3.5,
>33mhz device does a pretty good job of getting me on the Internet.

For low values of 'pretty good', OK. BTW, I use a Tungsten W on T-Mobile, and
am not degradating P1 or the old Treo crew, but there's only so much that can be
done with these pitiful excuses for browsers and the complexity of contemporary
web code. I find myself using Skweezer.Net and/or EudoraWeb more often than the
standard browser just because of my Need for Speed.

>Didn't Palm, at one time, consider using the Psion/Symbian OS?

Seriously? Probably not. Maybe a couple of marketing droids may have kicked
that ball around, but nothing high-level.

Given the security problems which have manifested recently for Series 60, I'm
glad they didn't, and instead chose Linux as the next core of the PalmOS. That
does not mean you can run The GIMP on a Palm Treo 950, though.. they're just
using the Linux core, not all the rest required for full-blown application
compatibility.

>As for the Life Drive, I haven't even looked at it. I'm usually dealing
>with products on the trailing edge of technology. These products may not
>have the features of their newer counterparts, but usually they are a lot
>more stable.

Henc, my dub-ya. Trailing edge, cheap, and if you buy one which was first sold
by Rogers, unlocked and therefore usable with the cheaper GSM carriers. Visit
ebay.ca for availability, and then facotr for the Canadian Peso.

>That said, I *do* think that, within a few months, I would like to
>upgrade to a Treo 600. Windows Wireless (or Mobile, can't remember CE's
>current name) is not an option for me.



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On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:03:00 -0400, "Wasdin, Jake E."
<jake6535@bellsouth.net> spewed:
>Well, I have a Sony. I just said "Palm". Anyways, for $80 bucks I can
>get me a card to fit into the MemoryStick slot. But, I got a $200 one,
>but it was used it great shape, aand I got it on eBay for #50. I don't
>want to pay more for the Wi-Fi card than IO payed for the whole PDA!
>
That's why I refuse to buy anything from sony that takes a card.
I refuse to be saddled with their damn proprietary MS (hmm, notice the
similarity between MS and M$.. just noticed that) that I can't use in any
other brand.
That of course is exactly what they're trying to screw you into, buying
all Sony. That just makes me hate it even more and I'll never buy
anything with it. I know many others that feel the same.
Typical though from them, i.e. the Betamax failure.

>
>RonB wrote:
>> On Wed 18 May 2005 04:38:25p, Wasdin, Jake E., wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well, I am looking for a Wi-Fi card for my palm now that we finally got
>>>an 802.11g network at home. I wish I would have bought one with built
>>>in, but I didn't think I'd ever have a need for it.
>>
>>
>> Do WiFi cards fit into SD slots? I'm guessing that's the only way you can
>> get one into the Treo.
>>
>> (Sorry about my ignorance on this subject.)
>>

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On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:20:41 GMT, johnbartley@email.com (John Bartley
K7AAY telcom admin, Portland OR) spewed:
>For low values of 'pretty good', OK. BTW, I use a Tungsten W on T-Mobile, and
>am not degradating P1 or the old Treo crew, but there's only so much that can be
>done with these pitiful excuses for browsers and the complexity of contemporary
>web code. I find myself using Skweezer.Net and/or EudoraWeb more often than the
>standard browser just because of my Need for Speed.
>
I will TOTALLY agree on that. Every browser I've tried on the Treo 600
was absolutely dismal, including the Blazer thing it comes with.
Just about useless. No pages I use ever load right, and it's dog slow.
I mean DOG slow. It's slower than my 133mhz laptop on dialup!

>>Didn't Palm, at one time, consider using the Psion/Symbian OS?
>
>Seriously? Probably not. Maybe a couple of marketing droids may have kicked
>that ball around, but nothing high-level.
>
>Given the security problems which have manifested recently for Series 60, I'm
>glad they didn't, and instead chose Linux as the next core of the PalmOS. That
>does not mean you can run The GIMP on a Palm Treo 950, though.. they're just
>using the Linux core, not all the rest required for full-blown application
>compatibility.
>
Woah, but still. That's really good news!
How long till that version's supposed to come out?


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On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:09 -0600, "Quaoar" <quaoar@tenthplanet.net>
spewed:
>>> Yes.. but PalmOne does not yet support their own WiFi card in their
>>> own Treo. 'Shadowmite' has hacked drivers from a T5 to work, but thy
>>> are not stable,and only are known to work on Sprint's model of the
>>> 650.
>>
>> PalmOne doesn't support their own product. How strange.
>>
>>> A third-party 'sled' for WiFi is announced, as per Enfora, who has
>>> made sleds for earlier PalmOne PDAs. However, it has not yet shipped.
>>
>> "Sled?"
>
>Not strange at all considering the PalmSource OS 4.x does not multitask,
>has crude memory management, and has not measureably improved in eight
>years. For some real Harvard Business Review material, Google:
>lifedrive . The Lifedrive, the new $500 Palm with the 4MB Hitachi CF
>drive, uses the same incapable OS. PalmSource/PalmOne are both in
>position to become notorious for their technology decisions for the
>Lifedrive. Half-baked device releases have become so common and
>predictable in the Palm world that users have said about the
>shortcommings, without hesitation, "this is probably just a stepping
>stone to the Real Device". The Real Device is the holy grail of the
>Palm world.
>
>Q
>
Please define: Real Device? Lifedrive?

So I assume you're saying you'd go with the iPAQ
Do you have a M$ OS device now?
How's it treat you?
With a lifetime of experience with M$'s garbage, it's hard to believe
somebody could do worse on an OS.. but then I've had pretty sorry exp.
with Palm OS - maybe even worse. I will say I was surprised.
When I got my first Palm OS device I was so excited to be out from under
the M$ garbageware on something, but it was even worse.
Of course, those were a Treo 270 and 600.
My Visor works very well.

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