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July 14, 2002 1:38:40 PM

Does Athlon XP burn in a second. i want to buy Athlon XP, but all my friends are telling that it is the worst processor. it burns in seconds. it has high temperatures.. they are telling buy Pentium 4 .. what should i do.. pleaes tell me..

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July 14, 2002 1:41:06 PM

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Does Athlon XP burn in a second. i want to buy Athlon XP, but all my friends are telling that it is the worst processor. it burns in seconds. it has high temperatures.. they are telling buy Pentium 4 .. what should i do.. pleaes tell me..

Hmm, Athlons don't burn in seconds. It's not a bad processors. It runs no hotter than my Pentium 4. What's your budget? I have both an Athlon and a Pentium 4 system and I like both equally.

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July 14, 2002 2:15:20 PM

My friends are telling that AMD burns when even for a second a FAN is not connected.. i am scared.. about my buged. i prefer cheaper and good. but if AMD is not good then whats the use of Cheap things.. so i can even buy Intel.. but i have also heard that AMD performs well.. but burns in seconds.. help me
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July 14, 2002 2:44:21 PM

Don't run it w/o the fan connected and you'll be fine. It's true that Intel has a more reliable thermal protection, but just be careful w/ the AXP and you should be ok. How tight is your budget anyway? a 1.6a, or 1.8a P4 isnt that expensive. Plus if you overclock, you can get them to perform better than any stock AXP.

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July 14, 2002 11:04:09 PM

Depending on the speed of the processor, you've got about 5 minutes of running without the fan plugged in (assuming the heatsink is attached) before you're in trouble. If you screw up and don't have the heatsink mounted properly, a couple of seconds is all you have...

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July 14, 2002 11:31:35 PM

If you buy a motherboard with built in thermal protection then you shouldnt be worried about your CPU burning. I only know of 2 motherboards that have this function built in they are made by soltek (I think its the Soltek SR7-DRV but I'm not sure) and Asus. They are both based on the KT333 chipset, if the processor gets too hot the computer turns itself off.

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July 14, 2002 11:59:45 PM

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My friends are telling that AMD burns when even for a second a FAN is not connected.

Your friends are incorrect. If the CPU fan dies, but the heatsink itself remains in place, the CPU will continue to work for at least several minutes. Somewhere above 60C, it will lock up, but actual processor damage doesn't start happening until the core reaches 90C (which reportedly might take about an hour with just a heatsink in place). If you install health-monitoring software (like <A HREF="http://mbm.livewiredev.com/" target="_new">Motherboard Monitor</A>) and configure it to shut off your system on the relevant alarm conditions, you're pretty well protected from this eventuality.

If the heatsink itself falls off the processor (a highly unlikely occurrence), then the processor is probably going to burn--unless you're using an Asus A7V333 motherboard and have it configured properly. The A7V333 has CPU Overheat Protection (C.O.P.), which in many cases can shut the system down safely, even if the heatsink falls off.

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July 15, 2002 12:05:51 AM

welcome to the world of <b>FUD</b> - Fear Uncertainty & Doubt.

Athlon Processors CAN burnup... but only if your are <b>MONUMENTALLY STUPID</b> and leave off the heatsink alltogether.
if you do that then you dont deserve to have or use a computer.

Use the stock cooler unit.
follow the instructions.
rememer to plug in the fan.
and you should have no problems.

In the unlikely event of fan failure, it will eventually get too hot and freeze. settings to shutdown the system if this occurs are found in most motherboard Bios'es.



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July 15, 2002 12:49:07 AM

you can check this article <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/column/01q4/011029/index.ht..." target="_new">Cooling Off: THG visits AMD</A> on this site, theres also a link to a video that shows what happen when the heatsink is removed, its kinda old but explais how can new motherboards prevent athlons from burning.
also that happens only if the heatsink is COMPLEATLY removed, that never happens , and if the fan suddently stop working any system even the old ones, have shutdown temperature in their bios, that will prevent your cpu to overheat if the fan dies.
On the other hand you can get a Heatsink like the Swiftech MCX462 that goes attached to the mobo, so it wont fell.
Considering all this you should not fear your athlon burning, its performance is like the best P IV, and it cost much cheaper.
I have 4 athlons running myself, and built 10 more systems with this prosessors, never had a problem, not even when the fan stopped, just replaced the fan and everything worked perfectly.
July 15, 2002 1:35:39 AM

Please don't be intimidated. There are a lot of people out there in the gaming world especially who say a lot of things about... a lot of things so if you heard any evidence about processor burn out there then try not to fall into the trap of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt). What people are saying here is correct. Processors can burn out slowly over time or they can burn out in a matter of 3-5 seconds. Burning out that fast occurs only if you don't have any cooling on your processor whatsoever. Even if your heatsink is improperly attached to the processor, you can still run it. Burning out slowly over time can happen basically if you attach your heatsink improperly. I think some people are still stuck on what happened in the past with AMD processors, so that's why they forget that the Palomino/Thoroughbred is an entirely new line, and dissipates no more wattage than any Intel CPU out there.

I think your friends have every right to be upset about AMD products, especially if one burned out on them. It sucks to lose $100-200. On the other hand, next generation AMD motherboards are going to be required to have thermal protection. Right now, there are only a few mainboards which I know have it. For the KT333 chipset, Asus has it, Soltek has it, and MSI has it. Gigabyte might have it too with their GA-7VRX/P 2.0. I would simply advise you get one of these mainboards rather than going for Intel right away. In the retail sector, Intel is mainly for people who want to overclock. If you buy an Intel and don't overclock, you've wasted your money, because Intel processors cost two times (2x) as much as AMD processors.

In other words, if you are freaked about frying your CPU and <i>possibly</i> wasting all of that money, get one of these boards:

MSI KT3 Ultra 2
MSI 745 Ultra
Asus A7V333
Asus A7S333
SL-75DRV5 (and the one mentioned above if it has overheat protection)

More are being added to the list, as AMD recently made this a necessary requirement for all mainboards. If you buy an AMD processor with one of these mainboards, I guarantee you will have the same exact operating quality as if you were using an Intel system. And if you don't plan on overclocking, it will be much cheaper too. At the end of the day, if you are still worried about processor burn out, go ahead and buy an Intel.

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July 15, 2002 1:43:17 AM

Untrue, very untrue. I've had fans blow out a few times, and it's fine (1.2Ghz T-Bird, and it's not the type that's oceable anymore). Also, once my heatsink was improperly attached, and the cpu didn't burn- it simply locked up. I actually startd up comp a few toimes before realizing. It won't burn.

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July 15, 2002 1:52:47 AM

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If the heatsink itself falls off the processor (a highly unlikely occurrence), then the processor is probably going to burn--unless you're using an Asus A7V333 motherboard and have it configured properly. The A7V333 has CPU Overheat Protection (C.O.P.), which in many cases can shut the system down safely, even if the heatsink falls off.

Not to mention the other damage that would occur from a heavy lump of metal being caught by AGP and PCI cards. In that case, I don't think Intel or AMD has any on-die protection from system-wide destruction. You'd probably lose the motherboard (since the socket clips would be gone), the AGP card, the CPU, and possible structural damage to the case and other cards and memory. In other words, if the heatsink falls off, you have a little more to worry about than the CPU burning up.

As to C.O.P. and MSI's solution, those are meant to help in cases of fan failure, but the temp of the core would rise way too quickly for the diode to respond. A P4 would also probably also have thermal damage from no heatsink )as again, the core temp would rise too quickly), though it would be able to eventually throttle itself.

In the end, tell your friends to take a HSF and shove it up their collective ass, as they obviously have no clue about computers. Simply put, modern processors run hot, and require high-performing heatsinks to run stable at a high speed. Intel and AMD are the same damn thing. AMD provides decently clocked procesors for everything but the very high-end (and the differences are debateable, as most people couldn't notice <i>most</i> of them, 'cept that results that are based on time) for a decent price, while Intel offers high clocked processors that cost a bit more, but if you run programs that use SSE2 a lot, its worth the price. Mid-range is owned by AMD, as the price/performance can't be beat, <i>unless</i> you overclock, then you're better off getting Samsung RDRAM and a Intel 1.6A or 1.8A. With the right motherboard, you can lock the AGP/PCI bus speeds, letting you raise the FSB as high as you can. Many can get 2.2GHz or more. The AMDs don't overclock as well anymore.

But, since you don't sound like you'll be overclocking, I'd say go Athlon 1800+ and a KT333 motherboard (I recommend that against my better judgement), with some Crucial PC2100 or PC2700 (the PC2700 will let you overclock the FSB to 166MHz, if you so choose, without having the RAM being the limiting factor).

-SammyBoy
July 15, 2002 7:39:56 AM

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If you buy a motherboard with built in thermal protection then you shouldnt be worried about your CPU burning. I only know of 2 motherboards that have this function built in they are made by soltek (I think its the Soltek SR7-DRV but I'm not sure) and Asus. They are both based on the KT333 chipset, if the processor gets too hot the computer turns itself off.


Soltek SL-75DRV5.
Asus, i do not know which one

yes, they turn the computer off when the temp pass's a specific degree

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July 15, 2002 7:46:19 AM

There are a lot of people who (how should i put it) lie and claim they have had an AMD burn up on them. There are those also who aren't telling lies but I am sure that if there were really that many AMD CPU's burning up, AMD would not be allowed to sell them.

I have built a fair few systems, I have never had a CPU burn up on me, the heatsink falling off thing is highly unlikely, unless you strap a lump of lead to you processor, or if you plan to jump up and down on the HSF while the pc is in use.
(Actually i am suprise this site hasn't tried that already, look intel HSF can hold the weight of 12 men, AMD only 1 etc...blah blah blah blah).

AMD processors are great value for money, whatever anyone says, it can be off putting when you hear of "stories" I remember building my first PC god I was terrified because of these stories. In truth it is all most of them are, stories.

Just make sure you plug the HSF into the CPU_FAN connector that is all you must remember.
July 16, 2002 3:26:59 AM

Hoolio: (Actually i am suprise this site hasn't tried that already, look intel HSF can hold the weight of 12 men, AMD only 1 etc...blah blah blah blah).

Jeez, dont giveum any ideas LOL

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July 16, 2002 4:07:00 AM

I had a A7V333 with an xp2100+ (1.73ghz)
factory fan Retail everything and it fried on me. I also had two fans in it. It all happened when I put an extra 512mb of ram in it. I had it running with 512 and wanted to up to a gig. I unplugged and shut everything down and then popped in my memory and when I went to turn it back on it would power up but it was like nothing was getting to the monitor. I then took the ram out and tried to get it to work like it was previously and still nothing at all. So maybe I am wrong but it seemed like it was fried to me.
July 16, 2002 5:09:34 AM

your friends are morons... they should be castrated. That way their genes cant be passed on and thereby create more future trailer park trash.

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July 16, 2002 5:21:41 AM

lol... very succinct.

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July 16, 2002 9:15:58 AM

lol.. thats a good sig :) 

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July 16, 2002 12:31:39 PM

Those work if it's a "slow" burn-up... but if you have a heat sink clip failure or something like that, the protection won't respond in time to save the CPU.

Scout
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July 16, 2002 1:01:38 PM

Oh yeah, lots of HSF falling down, burned CPU's, ...

Also, AMD CPU aren't protected against 500% voltage raising, fire raining, core nuclear radiation, bullets, rockets, misiles, and elephant dancing on it. Really so bad.

Oh, yes, in case your friends didn't know it, Intel CPU are UNPROTECTED against this "usual" events. Yeah, I also don't understand why both companies don't do these test to ensure CPU quality.

Note: look for another friends for talking about computers.


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July 16, 2002 1:41:36 PM

I like texas techie's sig too :-P
July 16, 2002 1:42:08 PM

I like texas techie's sig too :-P.
July 26, 2002 4:35:32 AM

And your point would be?

Scout
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July 26, 2002 5:07:35 AM

the point is: if you use a properly designed heatsink, put it on securely following instructions, that uses all 3 cleats, that <b>DOESN't</b> exceed the socket weight limitations (you would be suprised how many do) then the cahnces of the heatsink falling of are about the same as it being stampeeded by elephants.

though to be fair, i think AMD could have been far tougher enforcing proper heatsink design. there are alot of bad designs out there
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July 26, 2002 2:04:55 PM

a Tbird WILL burn in Seconds if theres no heatsink itll go to like 150-200Degs probally.. but not with a heatsink.. geat a nice HSF like a thermaltake VOlcano7 that u can hear purrrrrring if you really want or use a probe so itll beep if the fan goes down.. but dont worry
July 28, 2002 5:41:14 AM

True... if everything is done right, then everything works right. Of course in life, accidents happen. My fried 1.4 T-Bird is proof of that. A properly designed HSF (Global Win TAK68)with a properly designed clip (using all 3 cleats) and an experienced builder (me... Ha!) It got hung up on one side when I mounted it and after a couple of failed boots... It is no more! No sign of frying... just stone cold dead!

Probably the most common type of failure out there is a failed fan. Eventually that WILL happen! I expect that the processor will live for quite a while with a failed fan, even after the system freezes, but soon your Athlon will die a horrible burning death!

Scout
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July 28, 2002 6:57:10 AM

but with failed fans the temp creep is relatively slow... and any board with thermal monitoring can prevent fries.
and most do have it.
ive got mine on my epox set to 65C. if for any reason the temp climbs above that then boom. system goes to standby.


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July 28, 2002 7:11:06 PM

I know... but still, it seems that AMD should have thermal protection built right into their chip like Intel does. I'm disappointed they don't and it shows that they really aren't in the same league as intel in some of these design areas. They don't because they just couldn't expend the resources to develop it, probably not because they didn't think it was a good idea!

When you think about it, the enormous heat generated by the AMD chips has long been an area of criticism for them... Wouldn't it have been nice if they had a nice built in protection scheme all along so they could tell people it really doesn't matter?

Scout
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July 28, 2002 7:25:28 PM

Well, all I know is that when I put my brothers system back together (a 1GHz T-bird C), i neglected to connect the HSF header. Needless to say, the computer overheated and eventually BSODed. But, the CPU survived (I connected the fan back, and let it sit in the BIOS, so that there was airflow and cooled faster). So, the computer will probably BSOD before complete death happens.

-SammyBoy
July 28, 2002 7:45:37 PM

i agree....ive seen it happen....thats what ive noticed when K7 core based PC's overheat....not like within a danger/damage zone but enough to not run correctly.....u get BSOD's and just general errors or lock-ups......so yea...

Ive never had it happen on mine...its pretty cool....but ive seen some 1GHz t-birds and such with some really cheap ass coolers on them and they dont run stable cuz of the heat......but that happens, nothign u can do about it....

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July 28, 2002 10:48:30 PM

Soltec has implimented the over heat protection on more than just its kt333 mboards. I bought a soltec kt266 based mboard a month ago (because I am to cheep to get kt333 and can't get 333 ram anyway) and it has the overheat protection in place which was one of the reasons why I bought it. Soltec is also one of the best performers according the the reviews here at least. Just make sure that it has the overheat protection on your mboard and all will be good. I felt the thermal prtection was worth the peace of mind myself as my house gets pretty damn hot in summer with no AC and 40c days.
July 29, 2002 12:21:18 AM

How long did it run with no fan? It'll survive for awhile, but not long if your Mobo doesn't stop it... I did the same thing with a Duron I was working on once, booted it and walked away for about 15 minutes. Came back to a Bsod and felt the heat sink and burned my fingers! Cooled down and it was fine... but I don't know how much longer it would have lived. It was in an old A7V motherboar and I don't think those boards even had CPU overheat protection.

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July 29, 2002 12:27:48 AM

1 second, 2 seconds, 3, 4? what's the difference?

I'm sure the life flashing before the poor screaming tortured amd cpu would last several seconds to a minute.

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July 29, 2002 1:03:25 AM

I have a A7v333 running an XP1800+. I once switched it on without the Heatsink clipped on (It was just resting on the CPU). The comp shut off amost immediately. Still works fine.

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July 29, 2002 1:07:33 AM

I have the ASUS A7S333.....it is SUPPOSED TO do what urs did...but it does absolutely nothing......i can unplug the fan
and it still runs.....i can turn it on with the fan unplugged...so like WTF does ASUS C.O.P. actually do in this case ?

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July 29, 2002 4:17:47 AM

Ran about 5-10 minutes... when we restarted, it jumped to the PC health screen in the BIOS, and the CPU temp reading was in red, with the temp at around 100C.... needless to say, we shut down immediately. That was a year ago, and the system is still running fine, though a bit warm, even with a AX7 and 80MM Mechatronics fan going. That could be the under-die sensor though... it never was too accurate. By too warm, it's at around 45C (though the room is around 30C), while my AXP 1800+ with the same case and HSF is getting around 37C. Again, that could be due to the sensor placement, since the MSI KT3 actually reads the temp from the thermal diode in the XP.

-SammyBoy
July 29, 2002 10:24:11 PM

If its anything like in soltec system then you has best make sure that it is turned on in the BIOS. Also if you read the posts above you will see than most people here say that the CPU will run just fine for a while before it heats up to danger zones and shuts down. It doesn't shut down if there is no fan is shuts down if the CPU gets to hot.
July 30, 2002 6:46:39 PM

Ok ASUS C.O.P. cannot be enabled or disabled in the bios...thats 100% for sure...

and somebody mentioned that with no CPU fan plugged into the fan header the board wouldnt turn on...well mine does....and mien continues to run without the fan enabled and doesnt become unstable until it hits 86 degrees celcious...

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July 31, 2002 5:10:26 AM

Are you sure about that? I wasn't aware the XP thermal sensor was how some boards read temps on the XP chips...

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July 31, 2002 7:46:28 AM

Right now, the Asus A7V333 and the MSI KT3 Ultra read from the diode. If not there, I wouldn't know, since there is no thermoresistor in the middle of the socket anymore.

-SammyBoy
July 31, 2002 8:48:06 AM

But think about the advantages, fellow! You may cook an egg on its heatsink!

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July 31, 2002 12:35:34 PM

The soltec boards also read from the cpu diod. Not only the 333 models also the 266 ones. The new ones do any way. Mine definatly does.
July 31, 2002 12:44:16 PM

THat doesn't sound right at all. At what temp do you have the auto shut down set to?
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