Well well, it seems processors are getting too fast, according an article on The Register. It appears that Windows 2000/XP don't care much for Intel's 2.8GHz chip. Windows 2000 crashes, and XP performs badly. There's even a suggestion that Intel may quietly take the 2.8GHz prod out of the limelight. It seems unlikely to me, I suppose, as Intel had plans to blow past 3GHz by years end.
I wonder how Microsoft will address this issue? I mean we can't just stop where we are now! Noone will buy a chip that doesn't work. Can buggy Microsoft fix this somehow? ANY THOUGHTS?
Read about it at The Inquirer http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4423<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by nja469 on 07/15/02 03:59 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Wait, wait, wait! This can't be! Is this a hardware issue or a software one? It might be that the Northwood can't run at 2.8GHz at 1.5V.
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According to the article, it's the Windows 2000 and XP software, not the hardware. I have no idea about windows 98, but ick.. who wants to use that bag of old code.
Also, I don't think it has anything with the chips voltage, as the article also stated this problem affects Athlons to some degree at high clock speeds. This is really crappy, I mean something needs to be worked out here! We have faster and faster Pentium 4's coming - AMD's Barton, which according to an Article on the register yesterday AMD engineers said it won't have a FSB increase, the hammer will, but the barton will use hammer optimizations and, get this, 128K L1 cache and 512K L2 cache! Intel's Prescott chip, which is supposed to be a speed demon. Also we have the clawhammers, but maybe XP 64-bit isn't affected? I don't know, I do know this is crappy if operating systems become a limiting factor in processor speed scaling. What's next? Memory or hard drive transfer rates get too fast for windows?! Blah.... thoughts ppl.
bad news
I think that <A HREF="http://www.sharkyforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144407" target="_new">this</A> is a good decription of the article. BS.
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This is a problem with Windows and occurs with processors faster than 2.4 GHz in clockspeed. Microsoft does have a hotfix for this. Just search the knowledge database.
Well these chips currently running at 3GHz, etc are overclocked. The FSB isn't at stock speeds, etc. This doesn't seem to be BS, as Microsoft seems to have noted some problem somewhere. No one has an actual 2.8GHz or better chip to actually confirm/deny it. We'll have to wait and see! In the mean time I'll ask them over at the inquirer if they're pulling legs or not.
We are still waiting for Mr Intel to respond. Called them around 9.00 am this morning.
Mike Magee
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Arvanitis [mailto:nja@buckeye-express.com]
Sent: 15 July 2002 22:47
To: mike.magee@theinquirer.net
Subject: Processors getting too fast for Windows Article
Simple BS or truth? If truth, can bug monster microsoft fix the issue. What would be next, RAM and hard drive transfer speeds get too fast for windows? A response on the validility of the article would be appreciated. Thank you.
I couldn't find anything on this issue. Please provide a link.
English is phun.
| Quote : We are still waiting for Mr Intel to respond. |
No. We are still waiting for AMD_Meltdown to respond.
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LOL
he is probably on holiday
wouldnt be the first time that Microshaft winblows couldnt handle some piece of hardware.
but personally i think this story looks like [-peep-], smells like [-peep-] and well... i aint gonna taste it!
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Anyone remember the Win95 K6-2 300 issue?
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I still keep patch for it, hehe.
..this is very useful and helpful place for information...
I saw a very cool signature (sorry I didn't remember the user) which is just in place
"Why use Windows, when you can use doors"
or something like that
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Just a couple of things.......
1. The k6/2 300 problem in 95, it was caused by some sort of loop that the patch removed. Can someone remember?
2. Didn't someone overclock a processor to over 3Ghz? Hmm so what is this problem?
All kinds of people do, and I don't think they are having any problems.
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My CPU seems to run fine well over 2.8GHz under Windows XP. I really don't understand what the problem is.
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Maybe intel have hit a rut, like the Pentium III 1.13Ghz.
Maybe the intel pentium 4 northwood architecture has not scaled as far as they wanted. oh this could be interesting, or it could be something really trivial, or lies many lies.
'Cept that the P4 NW has been able to scale well beyond 2.8GHz, abliet with exotic cooling. But even with air, many people can reach 2.8GHz. Either this is BS, or it is a software problem. Maybe its like the old Win98SE patch that slowed the shutdown of the computer to give the harddrive time to move all the data in its cache back onto the harddrive. If I remember correctly, this was caused by the 1GHz+ processors, which were shutting Windows down too quickly for the HDD to react. Maybe the same kind of problem... something in Windows is moving too quickly for some piece of hardware to react, and Window's doesn't have any coding to tell it to wait for that hardware. Or, maybe it has issues with the multiplier. Who knows. Independent testing is required to figure out fact from fiction here.
-SammyBoy
3Ghz on aircooling has been done a long time ago on P4.
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All the more reason to dismiss the idea of it being another P3 1.13GHz fiasco.
-SammyBoy
I wonder if they actually HAVE to slow down their P4 production due to a problem which actually exists!
That would mean the CH could come out with a fairly nice performance boost above it, yet its clockspeed would be far from 2.8GHZ!
Again that would be a very weird situation.
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| Quote : I wonder if they actually HAVE to slow down their P4 production due to a problem which actually exists! |
I posted a link to anandtechs site that had an article dated the same date as the inquirers.......Anand reports nothing about delays, problems, or incompatability w/ MS OS's. Although they did move stuff around on-die recently. Its a bit smaller now. That couldve posed a problem, but I doubt it.
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Well the only thing it could be is that they have shifted something around, because people have overclocked to beyond 3Ghz using P4A's and B's. And windows worked fine at that speed. So if it ain't MS (unlikely) then it is intel's fault.
It could be production problems or that they have moved stuff around and overlooked something. I am with LED on this one.
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Guess there's a first time for everything.
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I know I am just as suprised as you are :-P
seems that there is another problem with windoze XP now... seems they screwed up with amd specific code with directx8.1
<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4474" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4474</A>
yay for microstuffed.
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where the heck did you hear THAT? You know tomshardware.com has sucessfully overclocked the p4 past 3 Ghz right?
I saw this on a bumper sticker once: "Unlike computers, women reject 3.5 inch floppies."
windows xp? what's that?
THG; the Jerry Springer of hardware review sites.
Same, I run at over 3Ghz 24/7 now.
I believe Intel has to hold back ramping up speeds due to AMD's inept ability to maintain competition. Intel will continue to refine the process while holding back in Mhz.
You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
Perhaps they will just make Prescott at lower clock speeds?
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Intel and AMD sitting under a tree, P-R-O-C-E-S-S-I-N-G!
why do u allways use such negative language?
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Where do you see negative?
For once I also agree with Fuggy, he speaks truth on AMD's lack of competition now, which explains why he said that.
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Intel and AMD sitting under a tree, P-R-O-C-E-S-S-I-N-G!
oh just they way he allways speaks e.g. "inept ability"
i dont think amd is doing that badly considering they only have a R&D budget a tenth that of intel.
im amazed they managed to outperform intel at all, at any stage.
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Plus, we all know that Intel did a lot worse for two years straight.
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And we had trolls thinking otherwise for two years, making themselves look so much more half-assed!
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Intel and AMD sitting under a tree, P-R-O-C-E-S-S-I-N-G!
Ganging up on Intel is so much more Board friendly! It's almost acceptable! Yeah! Woo! Intel was inept for 2 years! Alright! Yeah! "Half assed" trolls! Intel is the darkside!
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Huh?
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LOL... hello ppl i forgot about the thread days ago as the next day they denied the claim and said intel said that there isn't a problem with their processors or windows and they expect them to scale much higher w/o a hitch!!
THE END
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obviously a Conspiricy.
The truth, intel uncover alien technology in the roswell UFO crash, releases to world gradually over many years.
AMD thwart Intels plans by building processors built on the new technology, intel turn out to actually be alien, AMD build anti alien defence and intel collapses as no longer can they import components from space.
(sorry mad moment)
PS Bill Gates iss your father!!! Muah muah muahmuahmuahmuah!
LOL i always wondered the same thing since I was 14, when I got my third computer which had the massive pentium 2 in it. I was like "that's a big ole' processor, I wonder if we stole it from aliens" Also I thought intel was using human brain cells to make processers.. LOL I was thinking crazy.... or was I? <grin>
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