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Have you read something about the future plans of AMD about Socket A platforms? I don't really thing the are going to produce lots of faster CPUs for sockA.
And also, will Intel keep on making new CPUs for sock370 (probably based on Tualatin - ha-ha, why not Palpatin?)???
And I'm waiting for Via's C3 migrating to Sock7 platforms :-))))

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I believe AMD will make a move towards I-Socket! ;)

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Reply to Oracle

Socket A will have to die sooner or later, as it can't support the Hammer dirivatives. Intel has been trying to kill Socket 370 for some time, but without taking a financial hit. So the only reason it still exist is that there is some profitability left in it.

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The Socket A will die soon after the hammer comes out. Then there will be 2 different sockets 1 for the opteron and the other for the Athlon (32/64 bit variety) The socket 370 is going to live on for a while yet even though Intel would like to kill it because the Via C3 plans to use it for quite a while yet.

Reply to BuddyAtBzboyz

Yes, well, VIA didn't have permission from Intel to use the Socket 370 for their CPU, which is the main reason why Intel refused to licence them any P4 bus technology. So the C3 is an illegal processor, the P4X333 an illegal motherboard/chipset.

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I thought actually the two different sockkets were:
1 for the Clawhammer and 1 for the sledgehammer, because the core for the clawhammer athlon and opteron are basically the same, except on in single processor and one is multiprocessor.

The difference between the AThlon clawhammer and Opteron Clawhammer is the same as that between Athlon XP and athlon MP, because the core is the same.

It is the sledgehammer that needs a different socket because of it's ability to have more than 1 PCI bus in the system(i think) and the fact upto 8 processors have to be able to talk to each other.
(read the tech documents of sledgehammer hmmm 2 PCI busses when using 4 or more processors :-P but I will double check)

Reply to Hoolio

Well, let's think this out. Why have XEON processors always had a different socket or slot than PII/PIII/P4? Is it for multiple processing? No the Pentiums could do that also. Is it for the extra cache? No, the extra cache is moved through the same data bus. So why then? So that Intel could keep the Server and PC lines separate, so that you couldn't simply pop a couple of the cheaper pentium processors in a Xeon server/workstation, or use a cheaper PC board with a couple Xeons. If you wanted Xeon, you had to have both the expensive CPU's and the expensive board. And since most Xeons have been mounted on backplane CPU boards, a whole bunch of used Xeons are on the market without compatable ATX boards, creating a glut of used processors. So even now, in order to pop 2 $15 used Xeons in your home system, you have to by a $200+ Xeon ATX board. A few months ago those boards were $400+.

AMD can creat similar problems to us cheapos by using two different sockets themselves. It's all about keeping the powerfull used systems out of the hands of the poor, it's about profitability.

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32 bit Athlon will continue to be produced into 2004. There's about 2 years left for Socket A. AMD currently shows XP going to atleast PR3000 and probably up through 3400. 2400 and 2600 will be released this year. Possibly 2800.

Of course, Intel is quickly ramping P4 and chances are it will exceed the 2.8ghz goal it had on the roadmaps earlier. Possibly 3 ghz by year end. So, AMD will likely be at least a speed grade behind performance-wise for the remainder of the year.

Hammer and Prescott will be interesting.

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Reply to zengeos

"32 bit Athlon will continue to be produced into 2004. There's about 2 years left for Socket A. AMD currently shows XP going to atleast PR3000 and probably up through 3400. 2400 and 2600 will be released this year. Possibly 2800."

Actually thanks for reminding me about that. Yeah the old 32 bit athlons will become the value line, which will replace the duron since its being fased out.

Ok from what i have heard about the Opteron vs the Athlon 64 bit processors is the Opteron will have more pins. If I remember correctly this is to implement dual ddr and something else. However I can't rememeber what and its getting too late for me to look it up. Anyone else know?

Reply to BuddyAtBzboyz
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the additional hypertransport channels are the main difference in pincount. I believe Opteron will have 3 hypertransport channels compared to the Claw's single hypertransport.

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Reply to zengeos

I think there was a few other reasons for the extra pins too. But thanks for reminding me of the major reason. So at least now I got some confirmation about the extra pins. I was beginning to doubt my memory ;)

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