My friend is looking to buy a budget laptop- which of these processors is faster per clock (I think the duron is but can't find any benchmarks for this)? which is a better value?
If you're a big battery user I'd go with the Celeron since it uses slightly less power. Othewise the duron w/o a doubt will outperform the celeron and wil cost less.
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Celeron since its the same price unless their supplier sucks and jack it up. Also the cpu has less power consumption and is cooler running. Talking no heatsink nessary type cool. Plus you have the confidence of a relyable and dependable solution provider such as Intel to assure you your purchase has been the right purchase for your needs and requirements.
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He also asked about better per clock, which is Duron.
Price-wise, he would need at least five laptop resellers to be proven that your claim about Celerons being same priced as Durons. Maybe for you, but for him it may be different.
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I did mention which CPU is better per clock. Clock for clock the celeron uses less electricity and clock for clock the celeron produces less heat. Also being Intel is a relyable solution provider that insures the product will meet his requirements and needs is the iceing on the cake. So when you honestly take into account all the variables nesessary to make a informed purchase youll find the less than spectactular "enhanced" performance of the duron vs. the celeron is out-weighed by the basis of the mobile device and its purposes.
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I am going to have to agree with spud (kinda) on this though I hate doing that. The duron chip is better, but a laptop with a duron in it will perform worse then a comparable laptop with a celeron. Its the motherboards that are the problem. Most of the AMD based laptop motherboards are no good.
Are you sure? I recall benches around, unless those were Athlons...
Durons should be using DDR bus and 196K L2, so I don't see where they can lose. If someone has benches from a REPUTABLE website, please provide.
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remember that most durons have a 200 mhz bus thus no ddr ram. if you want to spen more money you can get a 1800+ athlon with ddr. but your question was about durons so here you go.
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AMD is hampered on notebooks by the chipsets/motherboards available. While VIA and SiS both have mobile DDR supporting chipsets, manufacturers haven't been making use of them...until the new ATI chipset, which uses DDR and is being used in notebooks from several tier1 providers.
Because of the SDRam only support from manufacturers in the past, the mobile Duron has barely outperformed the mobile celeron in the past if memory serves. What has helped AMD recently is the higher clocking celerons have been performing worse, clock for clock, than the P3 based celerons. Again this is from memory and it could be faulty.
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Zengeos I think you read the same articles as I did. Yeah the new Ati chipset has brought the AMD's closer to the performance of the p4, but they still lag behind because of poor implementation of the onboard video and memory bandwidth limitations.
However from what I have read the durons were slower or at the very most equal to the celerons in the laptops. Of course I was thinking about the p3 celerons yes the p4 ones are loosing badly clock for clock.
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Does that mean that in reality, Athlons, had they had SDR busses, which ran at the same FSB of 133MHZ, would suck clock for clock? I know it's silly what I am thinking of, but seriously, is it the DDR architecture that saved those CPUs? And if so, what is making it, at the same pipeline lengh, more bandwidth hungry? This could mean that if it was SDR it would have a lower IPC, which in turn makes me wonder if the P3s had better memory management or something...
Anyone care to explain?
This is also related to why Durons in laptops are supposedly losing to Celerons.
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That is for desktop systems. Its not the chip that is at fualt in laptops, but the chipset. Intel laptops are just plain better right now. Nobody has made a good laptop mbd yet. ATI has produced a fairly good one, but still not good enough to fully make use of the athlon or duron cores.
Eden,
Ok hopefully for the last time. We are comparing laptops here! It is not the AMD chips which suck but the motherboards. In most cases if you were to compare an athlon/duron laptop with a pentium/celeron laptop, the a/d would have sdr and the p/c would have ddr. Its not just the ddr over the sdr either. Nobody has produced a good chipset yet for AMD laptops. Its like laptops are still using kt-133. And pentiums are using current technology. AMD won't stand a chance of making a performance laptop till a good chipset comes out for their chip.
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