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angels   08-02-2002 at 09:02:40 PM

Guys, I am looking to build a new system but I am not sure what to go for? the PC will be used for games (UT/mohaa/etc)
and for some office work + revision for my MSCE!

I have recently been given a P4 motherboard (supermicro 400mhz fsb, but it only take dimms!!)
I can get a P4 2Ghz northwood a core cpu for £140. that is all that I would need because I have all the other parts in my current PC.

or should I get the following:
athlon xp1800 £67
gigabyte ga-7vrxp £85
256mb ddr333 ram £52

what do you guys think? which would be the best for games?
I know that it will cost me more for the athlon system, but it's not much more! as long it's fast than the P4 system that I have mentioned, then I would go for the athlon

ps I have the following in my current PC: geforce 2pro 64mb ddr / SB audigy / liteon cdr / pioneer dvd / maxtor 40gig hdd

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tersagun   08-02-2002 at 09:12:16 PM
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Go for athlon.. Maybe a bit much money, but it's worth of it.but why did u choos gigabyte?? go for epox, it's faster and much chaeper. don't worry about it, it's a stable board.
(that's what i heard from many men).
so buy the epox( sorry, i forget the name of the board, but epox have 2 board with the kt-333, one is with a "+", and it's better, go for epox ***+) :-)

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Chuck232   08-02-2002 at 09:20:48 PM
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Don't necessarily listen to tersagun, he's been advocating AMD systems, he thinks Intel sucks ass.. Not true.

Ok, I have no clue about this "supermicro" mobo, but what chipset is it? And what do you mean by DIMMs? Do you mean it'll only take DDR RAM?

Ok, if that mobo can overclock, the P4 would be a much better deal.

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angels   08-02-2002 at 09:33:46 PM
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when I say dimms, i mean sdram pc133
here is the link to the motherboard:
http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/ [...] P4SBA+.htm


have a look and see what you think

cheers

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Chuck232   08-02-2002 at 09:53:34 PM
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Hmmmmm.... PC133. Not good for a P4 system at all.

Hmmm... can you get any other parts? Like what are the prices for a P4 1.6A and a 1.8A. Make sure they're Northwoods. Also, try to find an ABIT or ASUS mobo. The ASUS P4S533 is pretty good for moderate overclocks.

Then get some DDR333 RAM. That'll be a bit more than the XP1800+ system there, but it should be quite a bit better too. BTW, what are you planning on doing with the computer? If you're not a serious gamer or something, there's not too much point in getting a P4, DDR mobo and overclocking. If you're just gonna surf and do some light gaming, the 2.0A may be the best choice. It'll probably perform worse than the XP1800+, but it'll be cheaper. Really depends on how much you wanna spend.

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angels   08-02-2002 at 09:58:16 PM
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I play games almost every night for 1 - 3 hours!!
are you saying that the athlon 1800 xp will out perform the p4 2ghz / 400 fsb northwood?

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tersagun   08-02-2002 at 09:58:18 PM
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:-) I'm not advocating AMD systems, i'm advocating the "good systems", the system for the people!
If intel wasn't a .ucking firm, i'll support them, too.

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Chuck232   08-02-2002 at 10:05:29 PM
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Yeah, with the SDRAM, it'll really starve the P4. P4s really need the bandwidth and SDRAM can't provide that. Well, if you game that much, I think you should look into the 1.6/1.8A and DDR mobo.

BTW, that video card may be the limiting factor with any of these systems.

To Tersagun: Yeah, well, they're not bad especially if you overclock. It just seems like you were really going for AMD systems. Sorry bout that!

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angels   08-02-2002 at 10:09:30 PM
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ok and cheers for the help, but surely an XP1800 will be faster (for games) than a P4 1.6/1.8?

what graphics card would you suggest? gf4 ti4200 128mb

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tersagun   08-02-2002 at 10:20:37 PM
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:-) I'm not advocating AMD systems, i'm advocating the "good systems", the system for the people!
If intel wasn't a .ucking firm, i'll support them, too.

"Don't necessarily listen to tersagun,he's been advocating AMD systems,he thinks Intel sucks ass.."

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Kzzrn   08-02-2002 at 10:39:58 PM
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The SDRAM will starve the P$ for data, but with the same RAM type a 2 GHtz P4 can beat a 1800+ Athlon XP. If I were you, DO NOT go with Gigabyte or Abit boards. They're quality control has gone straight to heck lately. They both have very high failure rates. I would recommend Amptron boards if you choose to go with the Athlon OR get another P4 board.

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angels   08-02-2002 at 10:48:04 PM
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I would consider getting a xp2100 if it would outperform the P4 2ghz!

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buddry   08-02-2002 at 10:52:44 PM
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AMD would be faster in that instance. Unless you get a ddr mobo with ddr ram and then overclock the p4, I would get an athlon.

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angels   08-02-2002 at 11:21:33 PM
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think I will get a xp1900 / 256mb ddr
I would get a P4, but they cost that bit more and I would rather get an athlon xp, then next month upgrade to vga card to a gf4 4200 128mb

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tersagun   08-02-2002 at 11:38:06 PM
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You made the right choice man!
But i think you better wait for a R9500/9700 instead of 4200.

"Don't necessarily listen to tersagun,he's been advocating AMD systems,he thinks Intel sucks ass.."

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Chuck232   08-03-2002 at 12:34:05 AM
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Ok, that XP1900+ should do you fine for gaming.

Yeah, wait for R9500 at least. It should be more within your budget if you're looking to get a Ti4200. The R9500 in my guess will perform better than a Ti4400 at least and probably equal a Ti4600 in performance. It will have many extra features though. The R9500 is supposedly gonna be targeted at the >$200 market, just like the Ti4200.

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tersagun   08-03-2002 at 12:41:22 AM
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I'm glad we agreed finally at one point. :-)

"Don't necessarily listen to tersagun,he's been advocating AMD systems,he thinks Intel sucks ass.."

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Chuck232   08-03-2002 at 12:49:06 AM
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Hey, I'm not biased towards Intel. It just depends on what you're gonna do. I like the rush of overclocking and all, and why not get something that does it well and get some free performance?

If the person doesn't want to overclock, get an AMD system by all means. But if you intend on overclocking, I'd suggest an Intel setup.

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