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angels   08-03-2002 at 04:16:57 PM

Advice on upgrade! agian!!!
Guys I am looking to purchased one of the system that I am gonna mention below:

Athlon XP1800
Gigabyte ga-7vrxp mother board (very good review at tomshardware)
total cost £151

or

Athlon XP 1800
Epox 8k3a+ motherboard
£177

or

should I go for a p4 1.8 northwood @2.4ghz + abit bd7-II (none raid version! would the raid version be a big improvement?)motherboard
£252


ps could I overclock the athlon xp1800, to match the performance of the faster xp cpu's (with the gigbyte or epox mboard)


one more question! anyone know anything about the abit kx7-333 (the none raid version) £77

cheers

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angels   08-03-2002 at 06:49:28 PM
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come on guys, some help would be useful

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o1die   08-03-2002 at 07:20:42 PM
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Any of the systems will work fine. I would go with your budget and use any leftover money for a better video card. The p4 is faster, but you won't notice it that much unless you do video editing. Intel is dropping prices around Sept 1st, if you can wait. Raid doesn't do anything for a one hardrive setup, just slow boot up times by 10-15 seconds. You can run your hardrive off the raid port without using raid, and save the other ide ports for your dvd or cd.

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Kzzrn   08-03-2002 at 08:45:22 PM
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If you can, DO NOT GO WITH ABIT OR GIGABYTE. They both have extremly high failure rates; so much that a local computer store that I goto doesn't carry either of those brands any more.

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tersagun   08-03-2002 at 08:52:53 PM
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Go for number 2.Epox is really cool..
but i tought epox is cheaper than gigabyte..
anyway, go for epox

"Don't necessarily listen to tersagun,he's been advocating AMD systems,he thinks Intel sucks ass.."

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angels   08-04-2002 at 01:05:37 AM
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I may go for the P4 1.8a northwood and the abit bd7-II none raid version

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Crashman   08-04-2002 at 03:49:25 AM
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If you overclock both the 1.8A and the 1800+ you'll find the 1800+ at max overclock can't even touch the performance of the 1.8A at 2400MHz. And the 1.8A can go even higher still.

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slickstaa   08-04-2002 at 03:54:34 AM
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yes, but the difference in price ~75$, would equal a gf4 ti 4600 in the athlon vs. a ti 4400 in the p4. It just depends where you want your power.

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Chuck232   08-04-2002 at 04:13:46 AM
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I'd say a P4 2.5-2.7 w/ a Ti4400 would easily outperform a XP2100+ w/ a Ti4600 easy.

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slickstaa   08-04-2002 at 04:17:16 AM
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possibly. It would be interesting to see some benchmarks.

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Chuck232   08-04-2002 at 04:25:06 AM
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Just checked the Onlin Result Browser. I used these perameters:

P4 2.5-2.7
Ti4400

Athlon XP/MP/4 1700-1750
Ti4600

The P4 does better.

BTW, is it fairly easy to get to 1750MHz on a XP1800+? I have almost 0 knowledge of AMD CPUs and their abilities. I know it's not too rare to see P4 1.8As go past 2.7GHz though.

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slickstaa   08-04-2002 at 04:29:08 AM
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im not trying to argue here just curious :wink: ..but what were the scores, other system specs?

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Crashman   08-04-2002 at 04:36:18 AM
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You can overclock the 1.6A just as far in most cases for around $50 less, it depends on what kind of bus speed you want to deal with.

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Kzzrn   08-04-2002 at 05:36:40 AM
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Never over-clock and Athlon or Duron. The reason is that they both have major thermal issues and an inneffective thermal protection system. The P4 will slow down to keep it's temperature down, unlike an Athlon which will frequently burn itself up.

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angels   08-04-2002 at 01:55:34 PM
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If I go for the P4 1.8a northwood, will I be able to set fsb to 533? also the abit board in question (abit bd7-II is based on the 845e chipset, which ony support ddr266! but I have heard the the abit board will be able to overclock he ram to ddr333 spec

cheers

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slickstaa   08-04-2002 at 11:15:47 PM
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FUD

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Matisaro   08-04-2002 at 11:46:45 PM
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Quote :

Just checked the Onlin Result Browser. I used these perameters:

P4 2.5-2.7
Ti4400

Athlon XP/MP/4 1700-1750
Ti4600

The P4 does better.

BTW, is it fairly easy to get to 1750MHz on a XP1800+? I have almost 0 knowledge of AMD CPUs and their abilities. I know it's not too rare to see P4 1.8As go past 2.7GHz though.



Everyone on the onion overclocks the videocard, and the ti4400 and ti4600 top out relativly close together, i wouldnt use that as justifcation for either system.



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Matisaro   08-04-2002 at 11:47:12 PM
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Yeah fud.

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Chuck232   08-04-2002 at 11:56:48 PM
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Sooo??? :tongue: :wink:

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Crashman   08-05-2002 at 12:21:40 AM
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Most P4 1.8 Northwoods, aka 1.8A, aka 1.8 512k, will go to at least 2.4GHz very easily using the stock cooler and 1.65v core or less.

All DDR performance boards for the P4 allow you to set the RAM at FSB:RAM ratios of 4:3, 1:1, and 3:4. Originally, Intel had intended the 4:3 bus ratio for using PC1600 on the "400" bus, the 1:1 ratio for running 400/PC1600 or 533/PC2100, and the 3:4 ratio for 400/PC2100. But with performance boards this allows you to run memory at DDR354 speed with the "533" bus. Since PC2700 is DDR333, I recomend PC3200 (DDR400) instead. It's similarly priced to PC2700 at places like Newegg.com

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lhgpoobaa   08-05-2002 at 02:43:17 AM
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yep... i overclocked my athlon by 1 Mhz and it spontaneously burst into flames and took my house down.

please take 2 reality pills and get lots of rest.


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