http://www.muropaketti.com/artikke [...] dex3.phtml
Also they have bench of sisoft at 3900 mghz almost 5000 on FPU
At the end i have speak with a horny lady
Sick stuff, I saw the other booted into windows P4 @ 4.3Ghz on <A HREF="http://www.vr-zone.com" target="_new">www.vr-zone.com</A>
My lil 2.66 is a screamer, will be benching this weekend.
You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
arrrgh! can ya please make it clickable?
i cant even highlight it on this cruddy nutscrape for unix...
<b>My CPU cooler is so Massive it bends Space and Time!
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Hey LHGPooBaa, some of us CAN NOT use the [whatever] that explains the FAQ. I tried some times, but the [whatever] appears instead of the desired effect. Don't know why, maybe a problem with Explorer configuration or windows itself.
Btw, seems that is not the case of the other post.
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2 Things I noticed about that article,
1) Why are they using PC800 RDRAM on a 533 FSB board?
2) Dealing with Liquid Nitrogen with no gloves to protect their hands is a big no no =)
Cooj
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Geeze. Sitting a cup of LN2 right on the die. What a way to cool a PC! Now <i>that's</i> extreme cooling.
Still, it's pretty cool. (All puns intended.)
The new stepping definately has potential.
I wonder how far an Athlon could get on the same cooling...
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Yeah, I never thought LN2 cooling was this huge!
Still, I was surprised that the XP1800 could still kill it in raw FPU!
Though you can forget SSE2, it's hopeless for the AXP.
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ahhh the joys of liquid nitrogen!
as for athlons on L2... well i remember seeing the hardocp review another one with the XP2600+ at above 2800mhz with refridgeration cooling at around -50... so i would imagine that the tbred B may be able to break 3ghz with L2.
aint seen it YET though.
<b>My CPU cooler is so Massive it bends Space and Time!
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I wonder when they're coming out with a cooler setup for my Geforce card? I'd like to overclock that to 2 Ghz as well LOL
Save heating costs on your home, overclock your PC!!!
Sisoft use legacy binarie vs vector instruction.According to intel SSE2 improve by 7% the FPU performance.
At the end i have speak with a horny lady
I was reading up about this particular system, and it seems that it ran stable at 3.9Ghz.
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But the problem is, although we know the limits, seriously how many of us are gonna use LN2 to run our everyday apps?
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People believe the extreme overclock is a sign of where the core can scale too eventually.....In other words, you may see an air-cooled P4 running at 3.9ghz someday.
This sig runs too hot.
I know, but I was very suprised to see it OC <i>that</i> high, and still run stable. That means, after OCing the 2.8 p4 by 40%, it still ran stable, which suprised me. Of course, LN2 is going extreme but it shows how much the p4 can still scale. In other words, the p4 still has ALOT of life left in it.
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Next stage is to build your own clock generator for the FSB..
1Ghz FSB anyone?
And yes I am serious (not about the 1Ghz FSB) but I am working on a 300Mhz clock generator to give me a 300Mhz FSB.
I will post results if I succeed.
Just do this:
Get a P4 1.6A
Overclock to 250MHz FSB (1000MHz QDR FSB)
Get 4GHz
Easy as that.
<i>Past mistakes may make you look stupid, but avoiding future ones will make you look smart!</i>
What does a clock generator look like and how do you make one?
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I think it's pretty obvious the P4 has life in it. The fact is the double pipeline length is technically gonna allow twice the frequency on the same process. The 0.13m P4s are OCing to 4GHZ and still kicking, AMDs are at 2GHZ and can stretch even more. I guess at 5GHZ the 0.13m P4s would really be at their deep end, AXPs at around 2.5GHZ will stop. That's what I think though we've seen 2.66GHZ. I guess the Athlons can still scale, though that is simply because they use 9 layers, pushing it further than it wanted. Intel could do the same and get their 0.13m at above 5GHZ.
Bottom line is, the P4 is scaling as the nature of its architecture intended.
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It is not too difficult to produce, basically they consist of:
A couple of capacitors
A Few resistors
A Crystal to set the frequency preciscely (300Mhz crystals are not too expensive).
The some sort of buffer circuit to make sure the clock continues to oscilate when connected to an external circuit.
I am used to building clocks but I have not ever attempted to build one thins fast, so I will post some info once I do it. Otherwise I will ask for help from my tutor in the electronics dept at my uni.
I can give you book references to build simple clocks.
lol too funny
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whats so funny, I just need enough cash first incase I desroy my motherboard and Chip in the process.
(Donations accepted)
who are you? i was replying to someone else.
"I wonder when they're coming out with a cooler setup for my Geforce card? I'd like to overclock that to 2 Ghz as well LOL"
thats what i was laughing at. i wasn't even replying to you ????
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Sorry, don't shout......confused......
Just his post is on the 1st page.....long way away....
? i wasn't shouting?
here want some of my beans?
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<A HREF="http://holicho.lib.net/top/020901/020901.htm" target="_new">2.5A broke 4.4Ghz</A> and worlds fastest <A HREF="http://holicho.lib.net/top/020830/020830.htm" target="_new">SuperPi</A>
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You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
WOW, that's a 76% overclock. That's a better overclock than any other AMD chip has ever achieved. Just goes to show you, P4 has a ton of life left in it.
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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Dark_Archonis on 09/02/02 03:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Dark now you're being over excstatic and too much "Into Intel".
Continuing to say that is rather useless, we know it has life, I mean if someone is not smart enough to ut the obvious, that the double-length pipeline WILL allow extreme scaling, should not even talk. I think you know that by now, so you really are acting more excstatic as if you don't know the obvious!
I stated before, if the 0.13m is reaching 4.5GHZ, the Tbred Bs CAN scale to 2.25GHZ, and since they can also reach 2.5GHZ, the 0.13m P4s with future refined steppings WILL reach 5GHZ, if they could reach 4.4GHZ now.
I think with water cooling or further extreme cooling, you can get a Tbird 1GHZ AXIA to 1.76GHZ which is also a 76%, nothing unachievable. I'll check overclockers.com to see.
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Yup, I was right, in fact they managed a 92.9% overclock on the Tbird 1GHZ AXIA model, using gaz freon cooler.
One got a 60% OC under AIR cooling, again AXIA, which I guess is the best stepping for Tbirds.
Someone could have said that at that time: The K7 has a lot of life left in it. But again, it's OBVIOUS!
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You really want me to be picky, don't you? I've read somewhere about a few guys who OC'ed a 300A Celeron to 700mhz. That's an overclock of about 116%. They used LN2 for that.
Anyways, what I meant was the p4 can reach 10ghz, like Intel stated, even though several members of this forum doubt that.
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Again it is obvious. But Intel will need to use a lot of new technologies inside a process, such as the new silicon they showed, plus BBUL packaging.
AMD CPUs CAN go up to 4GHZ and I feel they can top out at 5GHZ, the absolute limit IMO. But they WON'T go there because the K7 will stop ramping after Hammer.
Those who don't beleive the P7 core can reach 10GHZ have not read the P4 spreadsheets, therefore hypocrites.
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Ahh I love this!
I will be even more picky, a 600MHZ Duron OCed to 1.7GHZ, a 183% overclock, my good man!
There is even one who got 2.1GHZ, but I will not include it because I find it a bit exaggerated and I don't beleive it too well.
Also they got the Duron to 1.3GHZ, a 116% OC, using also LN2. Both cores seem to be similar in clocking, because of their 10 stage architecture.
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thats a tbird1000 axia@1.929ghz, thats a 92% overclock, dark dont spout fud comments like better oc than any amd chip ever and expect to get away with it.
ps: there are 8 chips in www.overclockers.com database which break that % overclock, please be careful before making blanket comments.
www.overclockers.com>cpu database>tbird 1ghz
Heatsinks, if you dont overclock, use the <b>STOCK!</b>
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He wasnt being picky(good research btw eden) he was counteracting your bs statement amd had never had a better oc than that.
Heatsinks, if you dont overclock, use the <b>STOCK!</b>
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LOLOLOL touche eden.
Heatsinks, if you dont overclock, use the <b>STOCK!</b>
There is NO LIMIT to what the clockspped an Architecture can achiver - as there is no limit to the speed any circutry can achive as long as you build it out of faster smaller cooler processes.
ofcourse P7 will hit 10Ghz - on the 90/65nm process.
anyway the heat the core produces will stop Pentium 4 much before its theortical limits. it will be intresting to see how far Intel can take P4 under 75w. right now the figure seems to be 3.2Ghz.
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Hey, why is it that I can't access the CPU database at Overclockers.com?
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It was working fine earlier.
Heatsinks, if you dont overclock, use the <b>STOCK!</b>
No, I know, but it seems like everyone can access it but me. The only way I get in is if I go into an article then click on the database thing, but I only get the ones for Celeron 300/366 and so forth, no P4s or t-birds, or XPs or anything like that
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<i>Past mistakes may make you look stupid, but avoiding future ones will make you look smart!</i>
Did you change the default cpu, scroll down a bit.
Heatsinks, if you dont overclock, use the <b>STOCK!</b>
Nope, never changed a thing. I get only like PII300 and Celeron 300-400 overclocking. Nothing above that.
<i>Past mistakes may make you look stupid, but avoiding future ones will make you look smart!</i>
remember you can only change 1, amd cpus and intel cpus are in a different category.
Heatsinks, if you dont overclock, use the <b>STOCK!</b>
I agree there is no limit to the speed an architecture can run, if you keep makeing the transistor smaller and smaller. But any compnay that did this would be foolish. As the transistor gets smaller you can add more transistors. EG you could add a much larger cache.
I wonder if intel scaled the P4 to 0.065 micron if they would add a 1Mb cache etc, it could be cool, in fact if they added a 64Mb L2 or L3 cache, you could have an option to have no memory in the memory slots. :-P well I could dream.
Yes but under their architecture, they are scaling pretty much similarly, clock-wise. If we had a 20 stage Celeron at 300MHZ, no doubt it could reach 1GHZ much easier than a 10 stage one, and since either is really limited, but rather one has problems at higher clocking, then yes I can say that the 2 10 stage CPUs are clocking fairly similarly. I can assume a copper implemented Celeron at 600MHZ, at 0.18m SHOULD go up to 1.6GHZ albeit extreme cooling.
But yea your point is right, in the end I shouldn't have said that, when I think about it.
Also why do you claim that the P4 can reach 10GHZ with -included- 0.09m? I would assume 0.065, since 0.09m will start at around 4GHZ, therefore end around 6-7GHZ. It will be hard to get 10GHZ but remember, Intel has new silicon technologies to add, and I heard BBUL packaging will allow lower wattage, not to mention Intel will also use SOI but much later on. Add that to process shrinks and stepping improvements, and yes, 10GHZ is not too shabby!
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I didn't mean you take that as "Including 90 nm" I meant it might or might not achive that speed on 90nm. I dont know what intel is doing with P7 and the 90nm process but they already demoed 4.2Ghz pentium4 on 130nm and 10Ghz ALUs on 130nm using 1.75v - prescott will obviously never see such high voltages as it will the output 100w + but even that kind of heat can be dispanced Itanium 2 outputs 130w. even under lab conditions 10Ghz might be a litle far fetched for the 90nm process but who knows. it is very probable it will get close to 10Ghz (8Ghz-9Ghz) under lab conditions.
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I didn't mean you take that as "Including 90 nm" I meant it might or might not achive that speed on 90nm. I dont know what intel is doing with P7 and the 90nm process but they already demoed 4.2Ghz pentium4 on 130nm and 10Ghz ALUs on 130nm using 1.75v - prescott will obviously never see such high voltages as it will the output 100w + but even that kind of heat can be dispanced Itanium 2 outputs 130w. even under lab conditions 10Ghz might be a litle far fetched for the 90nm process but who knows. it is very probable it will get close to 10Ghz (8Ghz-9Ghz) under lab conditions.
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Man, you are so wrong. Prescott will have heat output UNDER 60 W. It's estimated to be as low as 50 W. Prescot is supposed to debut at a vcore of 1.2V. And Intel doesn't like to "beat a dead horse" like AMD, but if they beat the P7 (P4) core to oblivion, they could get it as high 14-15Ghz. Intel will probably honour their statement and ramp the P4 (presumably Tejas) to almost 10ghz, or right on. That's when the p4 is supposed to die, and give way for the P8 core (Pentium 5, might have an entirely new name). The P8 core is supposed to implement SOI on a 0.065 process.
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AMD beating a dead horse?
Wow man, you need a serious CPU 101 class!
I may not have taken one, but ever since my big thread with imgod2u, I have learned tons of new things, and for one, the K7 IS FAR from being a dead horse. You're still one of those FUD-spreaders who like to claim that, which is false as hell. Raystonn, one of our old members who's an Intel employee, claimed K7 would die at 2GHZ or around it, my oh my was he wrong.
The K7 CAN go up to 5GHZ. If the P7 core is a double-wide pipeline, and the stages are all divided ones, to make it easier to compute, that means it should scale about 2, 2.5 times higher than a 10 stage design. Not to mention improving IPC will increase heat and hinder some scaling if it becomes too high. Your 15GHZ theory is in fact very far-off, because that would mean saying that the K7 will reach 7GHZ or around it. I am not just speaking with no knowledge, I am saying this with all of what I have learned. Intel can only push so far their 20 stage design before those tasks also will need to be divided in order to compute faster and finish faster.
It will however reach 10GHZ, albeit will require powerful technology behind it, like SOI and 0.065m.
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It goes over 2 but gain are so small and have a low chip yield
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What, the K7?
We had a discussion before on why, and it seemed that it needed more TLBs, enhanced cache design. Most of us agree this is why. The Athlon has needed since day one a better cache design, like the P4's or P3's. Higher bitpaths would allow efficient bandwidth use.
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