p4 or amd for audio?

Hello
I'm planning to purchase a new computer soon, but I still dont know what cpu I should get. This computer will be used for music, as in, running a secquencer with a lot of virtual instruments and effecets, so CPU and Ram are most important. I'm only planning to get the cpu, mobo, ram, hd and a case...and my budget is about 1000$ CAN. (around 700 US). I was thinking of the following:

P4 2.4 (533 or 400 FSB? what the heck is the differance?)
512 PC2100 ddram
Asus p4b533
W.D. 120 gig /8 cashe
some sort of a case with psu

what do u think? please help.;)
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  1. I can help...but for what u listed u want you'll never get for $1000.....

    as for Audio...and filling your budgest, id go for an AMD rig.......


    AMD Athlon XP 2200+ RETAIL $265.00
    ASUS A7S333 Motherboard $105.00
    512MB PC-2700 DDR CL2 $199.00
    W.D. Caviar 120GB 8M Cache $299.00
    Antec SX1040 (400w TruPower)$179.00

    TOTAL = $1047.00
    w/ Tax = $1204.05 CDN

    Intel PIV 2.4B RETAIL $325.00
    ASUS P4B533 Motherboard $189.00
    512MB PC-2700 DDR CL2 $199.00
    W.D. Caviar 120GB 8M Cache $299.00
    Antec SX1040 (400w TruPower)$179.00

    TOTAL = $1191.00
    w/ Tax = $1369.65

    Your going over budget with either.....So really its up to you what you wanna do.......Id recomend increasign your budget and goign with a RAID 0 setup......lets say 2x 60GB W.D 8M Cache drives in raid 0.....much faster....that of ur gonan have to drop the 120GB drive for a much smaller one like a single 60GB drive......your budget is way to small for what you want....

    <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
  2. Why buy such an expensive case? He could get a very good serviceable case and PS for half the cost.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
  3. Might as well get a nice case and PSU now, so he doesn't have to upgrade it later. I could understand a cheaper case, but you always need a good PSU.

    Soon enough, Intel will make the i845s...imagine dual channel Sdram...*shudder*
  4. from www.newegg.com he (oops, he being my friend) got a 1.8ghz, new mobo, 512mB ram, and new case for 600 US. But thats newegg prices. chances are you won't get those prices. so ya, you won't get that for a 1000.

    on a budget and need a computer upgrade now. AMD is the place to go. if you have a budget, get a pentium, if you can wait, wait to see what hammer can offer. But i'd wait 6 months after the reelase of hammer.

    just my opinion.

    <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=9933" target="_new"> My Rig </A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by xxsk8er101xx on 09/21/02 11:51 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  5. I suggested that specific case becasue ive dealt/used/built systems around the SX1030 and SX1040 series cases....and they r a breeze to setup, they come with 2 case fans, there design and workmanship put into them are impecable.....upgradeability is there FORE SURE especially with the 400Watt TruPower PSU....theres lots fo room for big or small MOBO's and it cant be put together in a snap.....

    i can list more reaons....but i also agree there are other cases out there for cheaper...but this oen makes sure it can be used lets say 3 years down the road......

    <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
  6. <b>You're gonna want as much memory bandwidth as possible for what you want to do with your system, for that reason, AMD is not a great choice. The P4 system is gonna run $200 max over a AMD. Let's check it out.</b>

    <i>P4 2.4 (533 or 400 FSB? what the heck is the differance?)</i>
    <font color=blue>533 is desired, as its bus runs faster. I don't know about you, but I'd get the inexpensive 2.26 w/533fsb and do a modest overclock with stock cooling. Your ASUS board was made to OC, and the pentium chip won't have any issues hitting 2.4GHz, plus the faster FSB will make the system perform even faster. Change your FSB from standard 133 to 142 in BIOS (very easy to do) and you'll be at 2.4GHz and I guarantee your system won't have any issues with such a small OC. $195 shipped from googlegear.com (very rupitable, order from them and newegg many times with similar experiences)</font color=blue>

    <i>512 PC2100 ddram</i>
    <font color=blue>Nah, let's do RDRAM and get full thoroughput from your system! If you went with DDR400 for say, it'd run for $175 for good quality RAM. On the other hand, RDRAM 1066 (533MHz, which is synchronise to your CPU's FSB) will be a bit more, with better bandwidth/performance. Get 2/256MB SAmsung sticks (RDRAM needs to be in pairs of two) for a total of $233 from googlegear. Only $50 more, much better performance over DDR 400.</font color=blue>

    <i>Asus p4b533</i>
    <font color=blue>How about the P4T533, same board but using RDRAM instead of DDR. Yes DDR is getting faster, but as of right now RDRAM is king for pentium 4 performance. $179 a newegg shipped.</font color=blue>

    <i>W.D. 120 gig /8 cashe</i>
    <font color=blue>Good choice, but I'd go with the 80GB model which runs for about $110 at most places. I don't know how much the 120GB costs, but I'd assume about $250.</font color=blue>

    <i>some sort of a case with psu</i>
    <font color=blue>Find whatever. Most ppl here will recommend a $80 dollar PSU, if you wan to do that fine, but last time I spent $$$ on an antec PSU is was dead and my generic 400W PSU that came with my case works fine and I have alot of components. Get a nice looking case with a 400W or better PSU. A good one w/400W should be about $60</font color=blue>

    <b>So we're at about $920US. If you kill off that HD and get the 80GB model, which may or may not be enough for you, you'd bring that total to about $780US/1,230 CDN; which is less comparable to the P4 system recommended above, but I used RDRAM over DDR!

    If you do want a better quality PSU than the standard case offering, I'd recommend a 350W enermax, which should be more than enough for your system that costs about $65, or the 430W model for about $85!</b>

    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by nja469 on 09/22/02 01:34 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  7. Bud...i already set him up with some hardware with pricing in CDN dollars which after u convery is MUCH cheaper than what u have suggested for him.....anyways.....he said he was on a budget...therefore i believe RD-RAM based P4 system is out of the question, the P4 system in general is already pushign it for his budget, he didnt wanna exceed $1000 CANADIAN.....plus, a P4 is not that much betetr if at all compared to a fast AXP system in Audio encoding....

    <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
  8. LOL CALM DOWN. You don't need to defend someone else. He is allowed to read over more opinions than just yours.

    Also, RDRAM, as in a lowsy $50, is too much? If you truly wanted to keep him in budget; get rid of that overly expensive PSU/case and allow that extra money to go towards the PC1066 for performance.

    Looking it all over, my setup offered top of the line parts (533 fsb chip, mobo, and PC1066 [which cost more]), but overall was cheaper anyhow. Allow him to decide for himself, sheesh!
  9. Intel chipsets have the fewest hardware issues with various audio cards, SiS is close to Intel, and then there's VIA, the company responsible for most SB Live problems.

    <font color=blue>You're posting in a forum with class. It may be third class, but it's still class!</font color=blue>
  10. It really sucks recording a track or two and having a freeze before saving......I would stay away from AMD for that reason alone. Platform isn't as stable as one with an Intel chipset. As a matter of fact, I recommend a Mac for Audio. That's the platform with the best software available. If I wasn't the casual gamer I would be writing this on a Mac.

    [-peep-].
  11. not stable u reckon?
    oh dear... i wonder how i ran my PC for 17 hours straight yesterday gaming and encoding divx and running cure for cancer in the background then! :smile:
    musta been luck :wink:

    <b><font color=blue>I prefer to blend into the background, because it's much easier to sneak up on people and disembowel them that way. Arr!</b></font color=blue>
  12. Some Audio/Tracking software are notorious for crashing on AMD machines. Good to hear your machine ran great yesterday. I knew a guy who smoked 2 packs of cigarettes and drank a bottle of bourbon everyday and lived to 90.....there must be nothing wrong w/ smoking and drinking.

    [-peep-].
  13. what audio tracking software?
    i use cooledit pro quite alot to do audio mastering and editing. it works well. also do lots of cd DAE and mp3 encoding. no problems their either.

    and i gotta ask, how do u equate AMD systems to drinking and smoking?

    <b>ANY</b> system is as stable as you want to make it. Just depends on how much time effort and quality components you invest in it.

    i could have easily got my XP1800+ with a shitty 300W psu, some cheapass generic PC2100 ram and other crud then complain that my system sucks.
    could have done the same with a C3 or P4 as well!


    <b><font color=blue>I prefer to blend into the background, because it's much easier to sneak up on people and disembowel them that way. Arr!</b></font color=blue>
  14. What does cure for cancer, and games for 17 hrs have to do w/ audio? I was pointing out that just cause you're an exception, it doesnt mean everyone will get the same results.

    Go to www.digidesign.com and look at some "known incompatabilities"......I believe they worked out most of the problems, but there was a time where certain dd products would not run on AMD machines AT ALL. Overall Mac is best for their software, but there's windows versions.

    Off of stienbergs site.......

    "We have found that some audio cards do not run properly with this VIA chipset:
    Echo Darla, Darla24, Gina, Layla
    Sonorus Studi/o
    Lexicon Core32 (the core card of the Lexicon Studio System)
    Also the Korg 1212 might be troublesome but we cannot confirm this so far."

    "Using AMD processors and VIA chipsets you might encounter problems in the Universal Host Controller driver that may prevent USB devices from being properly enumerated under specific timing conditions."

    [-peep-].
  15. ahhhh. now ya talking. allthough the original poster wasnt specific in what he was using 'audio' wise, external or internal.
    anyway. he could get a SiS :smile:

    p.s. i hardly think stability is an exception. if it were, would amd still be in busness?
    games & C.F.C were included as other things that amazing dont make my system crash.

    <b><font color=blue>I prefer to blend into the background, because it's much easier to sneak up on people and disembowel them that way. Arr!</b></font color=blue>
  16. Quote:
    anyway. he could get a SiS

    When AMD platforms are used it is stressed that a Pure VIA chipset is used.......Not gonna look for links, but I think it's more to do w/ testing and support than stability and technology preference.

    Quote:
    i hardly think stability is an exception. if it were, would amd still be in busness

    Let's be honest, they've survived through some lousy processors, and crap chipsets. So yeah, they would still be in business :lol:

    [-peep-].
  17. #1 Don't let LED scare you from AMD. I have been using an AMD box for over a year, and Intel prior to that (and my wifes box is still Intel). I have experienced NO additional stability issues with my AMD than I did with Intel. Stability is NOT an issue with new AMD chips.

    He also mentions that some audio software causes problems with AMD...I challange...no...I DARE him to present ONE known issue with ONE audio software package in regards to the AMD chip.

    I have been sequencing (tracking) music for over 10 years and have not had ONE issue with any audio software that I could blame AMD for. Lets see...some of the audio software I have used:

    Audiograbber
    Cool Edit
    Sound Forge
    Impulse Tracker
    Modplug Tracker
    Cakewalk Pro

    ...just to name a few. I am not promoting AMD over Intel for music....but keep in mind that those who ARE in fact trying to deter you from a specific processessor are doing so with no clue.

    FrizzleFried
    www.trackedaggression.com
  18. For your budget i suggest an AMD system. Heres what i found at www.canadacomputers.com

    MSI KT3 Ultra2 - $130.00
    AMD Athlon XP 2000+(retail) - $184.00
    512MB PC2700(DDR333) - $210.00
    Western Digital 120 gig(8MB cache) - $272.00
    AOPEN Case - $30.00
    Enermax 350W(whisper PSU) - $70.00

    Grand Total: - $896.00
    with taxes - $1030.00


    --------
    The only thing i know...

    is that i know nothing at all.
  19. Quote:
    He also mentions that some audio software causes problems with AMD...I challange...no...I DARE him to present ONE known issue with ONE audio software package in regards to the AMD chip.

    AMD Platforms.......not chips. While all the audio software you mentioned are fun, none of them are Pro-Tools. You failed to mention your hardware specs over those ten years.....soundcards etc. I provided quotes above, read em. And you can go to <A HREF="http://www.digidesign.com" target="_new">http://www.digidesign.com</A>....search their knowledge base.
    Also, for you cakewalk fans.....<A HREF="http://www.cakewalk.com/press/08-27-01-intel.asp" target="_new">http://www.cakewalk.com/press/08-27-01-intel.asp</A> Another reason to buy Intel.

    And just to clarify, I never mentioned anything about the chip itself. Now untangle your panties and sit still. :smile:

    [-peep-].
  20. Quote:
    ......... in fact trying to deter you from a specific processessor are doing so with no clue.

    I havent been at it for 10 years, but I sure as hell know what I'm doing. And instead of asking me for links to further prove my point......prove me otherwise with links of your own. Provide links that show AMD as the superior solution to Intel in this situation.........and no, I don't mean a webmall price comparison lol

    [-peep-].
  21. Allrighty then. glad thats worked out.

    So my computer, my ex-gf's pc, my current gf's pc my mums laptop and the 8 dualcpu boards downstairs at work are just statistical outliers, and thus can be safely ignored :smile:
    PHEW!

    <b><font color=blue>I prefer to blend into the background, because it's much easier to sneak up on people and disembowel them that way. Arr!</b></font color=blue>
  22. Allrighty then. glad thats worked out.

    So my computer, my ex-gf's pc, my current gf's pc my mums laptop and the 8 dualcpu boards downstairs at work are just statistical outliers, and thus can be safely ignored :smile:
    PHEW!

    amd is bad... all hail intel yay

    <b><font color=blue>I prefer to blend into the background, because it's much easier to sneak up on people and disembowel them that way. Arr!</b></font color=blue>
  23. Allrighty then. glad thats worked out.

    So my computer, my ex-gf's pc, my current gf's pc my mums laptop and the 8 dualcpu boards downstairs at work are just statistical outliers, and thus can be safely ignored :smile:
    PHEW!

    amd is bad... all hail intel yay

    <b><font color=blue>I prefer to blend into the background, because it's much easier to sneak up on people and disembowel them that way. Arr!</b></font color=blue>
  24. cool! triple post!

    <b><font color=blue>I prefer to blend into the background, because it's much easier to sneak up on people and disembowel them that way. Arr!</b></font color=blue>
  25. i checked <A HREF="http://www.digidesign.com" target="_new">http://www.digidesign.com</A> and found nothing saying not to use AMD, they are recommending AMD TB and XP cpus with Pure Via MB i.e. if there is bored with via+amd chipsets then it is not recomendeed, they are not recommending SIS.

    AMD's old CPUs as well as Intel's are not recommended either, so i am not seeing what exactly making you stick to Intel and not AMD (from the point of stability).

    If there will be a problem then it might be with an old platform because there is no issue posted with the new ones (if there is one please link it or list it) otherwise it was going to be very known issues

    In the other hand, there are some softwares are optimised for SSE2 which AMD does not support it within this series of CPUs, wait for the Hammer and it should be supported.

    However, if the programs you are going to use are performing better with INTEL then buy Intel but if they are the same then its up to you which CPU you buy

    wish if there was UnDo in the life
  26. Dig deeper my friend:

    Known Incompatibilities
    Caution - Pro Tools FREE has been problematic with the following systems or systems with the following components:

    Some Sony VAIO computers
    Some Hewlett Packard Pavillion computers
    Cyrix processor based computers
    <b>AMD K6, K6-2 or K6-III, K7 processor based computers</b>
    Original Pentium processor based computers (Pentium I)
    <b>VIA chipset based motherboard computers</b>
    "ESS Solo-1 PCI AudioDrive" Sound, video and game controller. This device can be disabled from the "Device Manager" in the "System" Control Panel.


    Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
  27. More?

    Known Issues - Computers & Components Computers:

    Intel 840 & Intel 845 chipsets have been known to cause performance & system failures with some TDM systems
    Computers with motherboards containing SiS (Silicon Integrated Systems) chipsets cause system failures with Pro Tools systems
    <b>AMD K6, K6-2 or K6-III, K7 processor based computers</b>


    Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
  28. RE: LED

    (1) I never once said AMD was a better platform to INTEL. I am of the opinion they both are pretty much equal.

    (2) The information at the links you provided are in regards to OLD processors. The Cakewalk link mentions the P4, but in comparison to the P3!! The AMD is every bit as much of a chip as the P4 and is not at all mentioned. You are comparing apples to oranged bro. The P4 and the XP chips provide pretty much equal performance in regards to audio applications and there are NO KNOWN issues specific to the AMD platform that I know of from ANY audio application. Please stop filling the heads of these impressionable young souls with anti-AMD propaganda as it is bunk. I am not saying to go AMD vs Intel...I am just saying that to say AMD is an unstable platform is ludicrious.

    FrizzleFried
    www.trackedaggression.com
  29. Looks to me like PRO TOOLS (FREE) (is this shareware?) has many issues with a wide variety of components. Certainly isn't an AMD platform specific issue. Sounds like shoddy programming to me.

    FrizzleFried
    www.trackedaggression.com
  30. hi, I like to offer my 2 cents regarding Pro Tools, Ptle etc,.

    Many ppl at first were getting into the AMD after digi fixed some incompatablities with this inferior platform(to appease a small minority of users).

    fast foward, alot of these same ppl are having issues, mainly with heat and other money saving problems, afaik none overclock.

    to top it off, the NW handles a lot more tracks than present AMD sh!t, wtg Intel!

    Q: would any of you want to be in the position of recording a cool 5 pc *live* band using 24+ trks and then have your AMD die on you?

    "<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
  31. What other known app exists that gives 100% performance boost over a P3 w/o being SSE2 optimized? None. Comparing to other SSE2 optimized programs, it shows that the XP doesnt really stand a chance. Not to mention AMD doesnt offer anything to compete w/ a 2.8 processor. I'm not pro Intel. And Im not saying AMD wont get the job done......Im just saying Intel is a better way to go in this instance.......of course I would really recommend a mac. But since the argument is Intel vs. AMD......I see Intel as the logical choice in this situation.

    Quote:
    The Cakewalk link mentions the P4, but in comparison to the P3!!

    That's quite an accomplishment. P3 can compete w/ the higher clocked P4 in most apps. With the optimizations specificly for the P4, I don't understand how the XP will perform comparitively.

    [-peep-].
  32. hehehehe...if such software or hardware has this amount of incompatiblity and known issues then why i will use it? simply i will choose another soft or hardware, or that is my only choise?

    it seems no platform will work properly :)

    wish if there was UnDo in the life
  33. "it seems no platform will work properly :)"

    Mac is the way to go.

    [-peep-].
  34. Quote:
    Mac is the way to go.

    ok, so you agree that both AMD and Intel have issues on that and NOT only AMD

    wish if there was UnDo in the life
  35. Bud im relaxed......and calm...and was when i wrote my last post....sorry i use caps as opposed to bolding text..i dunno i guess im just trying to get my point across........plus i still recomend that case with that PSU...again, reason being....upgradeability down the road...

    as for certain individuals saying the AMD platform cannot be trusted doing audio recording because of lock ups, freezing, rebooting or whatever.....common give me a break.....thats not an AMD Processor issue...ok if ir overheats fine.......but AXP's done run ne hotter than P4's...plsu all new boards have sum kind of Thermal protection....its like saying with an AMD System ur HSF or more likely to die on u as compared to a P4 system...thats BS and u all know it....

    VIA and SiS have had some REALLY shotty chipsets, but they have gotten better....i personally recomend the SiS745 or even SiS746.....i havent seen or heard of any incompatibility issues about them yet.....they run on par with the KT333's and they cost significantly less......

    Id put my computer up against anyones intel computer for stability, and im willing to bet it will be 100% as stable as ne 1 elses........i know it wont overheat........and its definently reliable.....

    Infact, how to u judge what system is reliable and which is not.....u cant do so solely based on 1 machien having an AMD processor in it and the other having an Intel.....

    I remember 5 years ago there was an old AMD K6-300MHz CPU in a Intel Triton TX 430 Based mobo with 64MB SDRAM at an old school of mine...it was the best/fastest system there....reason being.......all systems were exactly the same except this 1 had the AMD Chip as the Intel chip 4 sum reason fryed, they replaced it with the AMD just cuz it was cheap......turned out being MUCH better than any of the Pentium 233MMX cpu systems...it did everything faster (not impecably noticeable, but still noticeabel none-the-less) and i will honestly say it was more stable....

    Ive seen countless of terribly performing P2 and P3 systems....even K6, K6-2 and Athlon Slot-A and P4 socket 423's.....but its not the CPU's fault, but the system as a whole........thats why u need qulaity parts for either platform (and no that doesnt mean AMD is automaticaly excluded) that means a GOOD stable chipset, good stable ram and a good motherboard with high quality capacitors and such.........

    Just remember..The computer is only as good and fast as its weakest link......just like a Network.....

    If your running GigaBit NIC and Router/Switch but are connected to the outside world on a 10MBit line........whats slowing u down?? Exactly...same principle....ull get constant Collisions.....the Chipset, CPU and Memory work roughly the same way.......and as logn as all parts coincide with eachother, there should be no problems.

    <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
  36. ".......of course I would really recommend a mac. "

    That statement alone VOIDS anything you might have said prior. I am currently typing this on a G4 733mhz Mac...I have been forced for the last 8 years to work with Macs in the workplace (I work for a newspaper). I have many many many hours of use logged on these things, and I have to say, THEY ARE COMPLETE GARBAGE! How in the hell can any MAC enthusiast talk crap about the stability of this platform when it crashes EASILY 3x more than my XP system at home. The running joke in MACLAND was the PC's blue screen of death...how about the lovely Macintosh TYPE 2 errors? Or the lovely BOMB screens? The Macintosh is the biggest piece of crap platform out today (and it's widely known, which is the reason why it has that 2% market share). The PC can do ANYTHING the Mac can do and better (no matter if it's an Intel box or AMD or even Cyrix!).

    MAC = CRAP

    FrizzleFried
    www.trackedaggression.com
  37. Your wife's BOX is Intel? I didn't know they made female body parts now, LOL.

    "There's no such thing as gravity, the Earth just sucks."
  38. "thats not an AMD Processor issue"

    No one really said it was. No one mentioned heat issues either. I don't know what you people think of when you think of using your PC for Audio. Im not talking about some loop-based "Acid" or anything like that. Most home systems require things like pre-amps, and high end audio cards. You can't imagine how elaborate some systems can get.......when you guys say "stability" of AMD PC's do you take into account the superior converter cards? I mean we know these machines can run w/ a [-peep-] SBLive! in them.
    Heres a card most of you never heard of <A HREF="http://www.lynxstudio.com/lynxtwo.html" target="_new">http://www.lynxstudio.com/lynxtwo.html</A> You know anything about the stability of AMD platforms coupled with that card? Or the stability of any equipment that's reserved for the home studio PC? Or is the argument gonna switch to "Ive been using a SBLIVE! to do my home recording for years and theres nothing wrong with it!"?
    If it does I'm outta here lol


    [-peep-].
  39. Quote:
    The PC can do ANYTHING the Mac can do and better (no matter if it's an Intel box or AMD or even Cyrix!).

    You're misinformed, and I think this post ends any arguments I may have with you. Havent gotten caught by one of you in a while. I will say I wouldn't use a Mac for everything. Maybe someone else can deal w/ the way you post, and deal also w/ your ignorance and try to set you straight on what you believe to be true. Especially about the 2% market share, and cyrix performance........Maybe you can try researching before you post instead of posting your deluded opinions.

    [-peep-].
  40. Quote:
    Heres a card most of you never heard of <A HREF="http://www.lynxstudio.com/lynxtwo.html" target="_new">http://www.lynxstudio.com/lynxtwo.html</A> You know anything about the stability of AMD platforms coupled with that card? Or the stability of any equipment that's reserved for the home studio PC? Or is the argument gonna switch to "Ive been using a SBLIVE! to do my home recording for years and theres nothing wrong with it!"?

    Talk to FatBurger about that; he did (probably still does) professional audio on a T-bird. Schooled AMDMeltdown badly several times. IIRC he even runs some version of Pro Tools on his T-bird.

    My experience in AMD stability comes from running beefy server hardware (as in dual-channel U160 RAID and multiple teamed fiber Gigabit) and pushing a great deal of data across it, day in and day out. Doesn't have much to do with professional audio, because professional audio is not what I do. But it's what I base my idea of AMD stability on.

    <i>I can love my fellow man...but I'm damned if I'll love yours.</i>
  41. wow. thats a pretty impressive list of incompatible systems! doest it work on anything? :cool:

    <b>I am an Emotional and Intellectual Strumpet! :cool: </b>
  42. Again......Its not an AMD specific issue so why brign it up again ??

    Go stick one of those cards on a system based on the VIA Apollo Pro 133/133A and I'll bet you'll encounter the same problems.......and JFYI I dont run an SB Live!.....so dont try to be-little me with ur statements.......

    <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
  43. oxygene, where are you? are you watching this thread? have you made any decision? let us know.

    If have not set your mind yet, i am recommending following things

    Athlon XP 2000+ retail $112
    MSI KT3 Ultra2 mobo $79
    Kingston PC2700 CL2.5 DDR RAM $168
    Western Digital Caviar 120 MB 8 MB cache $151
    Any ATX Tower case and 400W good brand psu

    Total US $510 without case and psu. You can always get a faster AXP if you have money after buying everything except cpu

    <b><font color=red> Long live piracy! </font color=red></b>
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