Finally... the Pentium 5 has surfaced!

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Let the speculation begin...

Well, I'm just so excited about this. According to <A HREF="http://www.aceshardware.com/read_news.jsp?id=60000430" target="_new">Ace's Hardware</A>, <A HREF="http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Sep/bch20020930016565.htm" target="_new">here</A>, and <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5638" target="_new"> The Inquirer</A>, The "Pentium 8" is codenamed Nehalem and is due in 2004/2005. Supposedly, it will be made on the 65nm process, and is supposed to further transisition to future processes. The three links that I posted all talk about the same thing, but link to each other. It's interesting to see that 3 familiar tech sites have already posted this. The information originated from a Japanese website. After translating it, I still couldn't get all the text into English. It seems, though, that it says on the website that Prescott will be a P4 core revision "with some small enhacements". It also says that Tejas will be a P4 core revision with some "big enhancements". This means that Intel considered Northwood a small change, while Prescott is considered a moderate change, and finally, Tejas is considered to be a big change. According to the roadmap on the Japanese website, this means that Tejas will be the biggest P4 core revision (compared to Northwood, or Prescott). Also, Doug Carmean, who has been the head of the development team for Nehalem, says they started work on it a year ago. he says it's a: "from scratch approach to microprocessor design." That means Nehalem will be made from scratch, just like Williamette. Intel, can now learn from their mistakes from both the P3 and P4, and put their wisdom into the Pentium 5 (Nehalem). Personally, I think that the Japanese website misinterpreted the P8 code name for the core as Pentium 8. So, Tejas and Prescott will still be P4 core revisions, just as I had imagined. Lets see, that means we're going to see a new core/revision (every year from now up until 2005) from Intel. We got Prescott coming Q3 of next year, Tejas is supposed to be Q2 of 2004, and Nehalem will be probably be Q1/Q2 2005. I doubt that Intel would release Nehalem in Q4 2004, since that would seem like a very early release.

Intel has already stated Itanium is set to go dual-core in 2005, which is supposed to be Chivano.

Nehalem may have all sorts of things, hopefully it may be dual-core, may use Banias power-technology, may use Micro-Ops Fusion, may be entirely 64-bit, may have support for 32/64, I mean it's anyone's guess. No doubt, it'll probably have SSE4, to say the least.


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Presscott it 1H of 2003 not Q3

Also he have say it maybe call Pentium 8 what he say it that for the future.SO that mean it can be change any time.If that all true it will be a IA-32 IA-64 wich will be very hard to make if not imposible.

I wont leak detail<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by juin on 09/30/02 04:29 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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<i>Originally posted by: <b>juin</b></i>
Presscott it 1H of 2003 not Q3
Sorry, Q3 it is. It was rumored for 1H02, but apparently it got pushed back.

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3.2GHz Northwood is apparently due in Q202, about the same time as Clawhammer 4400+. 3.2GHz Prescott comes the quarter after that. Make of that what you will.

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You mean <A HREF="http://www.intel.com/ebusiness/products/roadmap.htm" target="_new">this roadmap?</A>

Going by that, Intel is going to end up stuck at 3.06GHz for all of 1H02. Prescott is planned to intro at 3.2GHz, so apparently it's not even on there. Seems the <i>un</i>official roadmaps are rather more optimistic for Intel.

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It should be noted that while Prescott will be a "revision", it may still not be called a P4. It will merely be based yet again on the P7 core. Intel had no trouble calling a P6 core with SSE extensions the "Pentium 3" even though SSE was the only change.
Also, Teja is rumored to have IA-64 support, which means it could be the "transition" processor for developers to move to IA-64. Would explain Nehalem.

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Totally awesome, dude!

I like the Pentium IV, I really do! And it's so versatile. You simply won't find a more stylish or decorative key chain ornament or paperweight.
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precisely, the change from Deutches to Katami wasn't a massive one was it, but it changed from P2 --> P3

just marketing stuff.

so as to what each core will be marketed as is anyone's guess, although i agree that Prescott will probably still be Pentium 4.

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I'm interested in why though would Intel want to call Nehalem Pentium 8? Anyone care to explain? Rumours are going around that Tejas will have IA-64 support, and Nehalem could very well build upon that support with "SSE4". For example, they might be new instructions to help with IA-64 execution.

<b>Juin</b>, to my knowledge, Prescott what originally supposed to debut in H1 2003, then got pushed ahead to Q1 2003, and finally, alot of sites now say Q3 2003. If you look <A HREF="http://watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/2002/0930/kaigai01.htm" target="_new">here</A>, it shows various roadmpas. This is the link for the Japanese website where the info originated from. Also, if you look at <A HREF="http://download.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/2002/0930/kaigai1_1.jpg" target="_new">this roadmap</A> (from the same site) you can see Prescott in Q3/Q4 2003. Tejas seems to be coming right after Prescott in H1 2004, and Nehalem is not far behind, coming in late 2004, early 2005. It also shows that Tejas and Nehalem will both transition to 65nm process. There's also a question mark beside Nehalem which shows that it's unknown whether or not Nehalem will debut at 90nm. My guess is that it will debut at 65nm, but I might be wrong. Whether this roadmap is accurate or not is anyone's guess.

<b>Imgod2u</b>, you are correct. Intel could very well call Prescott Pentium 5, and I guess nobody knows what Nehalem should be called. Guess the topic title is a bit misleading. Since Prescott has a few changes, including the proposed SSE3, it probably will be called something else. Tejas has some major changes under the hood, and it's anyone's guess what that will be called.

<b>LHGPooBaa</b>, if Nehalem has IA-64 support, I have no doubt in my mind that Intel will give it some powerful execution units, a la Itanium. On the other hand, Intel might use a few tricks to increase the execution power, instead of adding more execution units.

<b>Grub</b>, what are you talking about? Pentium 8 coming in 2003/2004? Are you referring to Tejas?


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©®hey will stay as long as they can at 3.06 that the max with actuale mothers boards.If need a 3.2 can be release with a new stepping.Also Presscott will run at the speed need.

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I think what everyone is missing here is that he stated "it will <b>probably</b> be called the pentium 8 or <b>something</b>". He was making a jab at it like anyone else. It's not confirmed information that it <b>will</b> be called the pentium 8.

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I like the processor road maps I keep seeing. Both amd's and intel's have gone through at least 3 revisions, so.....nothing is certain.
 

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Yes, but <b>why</b> would he say it would be called the "Pentium 8 or something"? Did he get that idea from the fact that it's the P8 core, or the fact that Intel will start to name their CPU's differently? I see <b>absolutely no point</b> as to why it would be called the Pentium 8.

Ohh, and BTW, Intel stated that they'll be able to ramp faster on 90nm process than they ever have on the 130nm process.

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It's normal it will ramp more, there's the added silicon technologies, PLUS the discovery that transistor gates are shrinking faster than proportionally or relatively.

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