Windows XP and Games...

I recently switched from Me to XP and since the change I've found that all my games, and in fact anything relating to DirectX, have a habit of freezing every few seconds, then suddenly surginf again, then freezing and so on. This renders them completely useless to me. I am now going to have to switch back to Me (hard format method. System restore just isn't reliable) to see if I can cure it. I'm wondering though, has anyone else experienced similar troubles with XP? FYI I have all the latest drivers and bios' and stuff and according to Norton SW03, my pc is fine. Yeah...right.

"If I didn't see it, it's not illegal"
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  1. probably cause you have updated your direct x, with me it think you get direct x7 and when you updated to windows xp your direct x updated to 8.1, you may just have to change your direct x settings.

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  2. It’s obvious your set up isn’t working right, but it will be hard to help you if you switch back to WinME. Could be heat, power supple, BIOS setting, driver to name a few. Anyway it would be helpful if you gave your computer descriptions, cpu temp, and the steps you took to install WinXP, also is it an upgrade or a clean install.

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  3. You seem to have upgraded from ME to XP. Do a fresh install of XP. ME is the plague and you'll want every trace of it off your hard drive imop.

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  4. ^
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    What he said

    Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.
  5. If you wanna play, stick with 98x line (or at least 2k), XP does not cut it with games, too much going on in the background.

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  6. Quote:
    If you wanna play, stick with 98x line (or at least 2k), XP does not cut it with games, too much going on in the background.

    Don't know where that came from. I've now got 5 computers now running XPProSP1 (3 of them were running 98se). Nothing but good things. Granted there are ALOT of things that need to be changed on a clean install of XP, however the benefits are enormous. The one computer has an original AIW Radeon on a A7M 266 D, with one MP1800+ and 512MB of RAM. Went up 40fps average!! Went up pretty well 50 fps in MOHAA (from 35 tops in 98 to no less than 55 and often 95fps with XP)!! Not to mention all the things you don't have to do ie.install modem or NIC drivers are usually automatic :), setting up a network is usually a breeze. Also it can be hard to get the right drivers for 98 now, ya ME drivers but ME stinks.

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  7. It sounds to me that somebody needs to do some tweaking to get it right:

    <A HREF="http://www.overclockersclub.com/windowsxpservices.shtml" target="_new">Windows XP Services removal guide</A>

    <A HREF="http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp.htm" target="_new">Kelly's WinXP Korner</A>

    <A HREF="http://www.theeldergeek.com/index.htm" target="_new">Elder Geek On WinXP</A>

    I load my systems with 12 processes total running in the background, which takes about 65MB of RAM. I think that's pretty good for any Windows OS.

    Time to go play a little Max Payne. It's like butta, bro.

    Toey

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  8. ""Don't know where that came from.""

    From own experience.

    ""MP1800+ and 512MB of RAM""

    Yeah, that is about right amount of power with which XP starts to play ok, anything below that (like my 1.13G P3 laptop with Radeon vid) would not run smooooth at all (Win2k runs UT smoooth like a butter, XP chops it off like some super chef) Same PC, different OS, different results. XP1700 desktop has no problem, but still choppier than ME or 2k.

    Yeah, by the way, ""Went up 40fps average!! Went up pretty well 50 fps in MOHAA" - on the same hardware?? never heard sucha bull in my life.

    And if you need XP to help you set up a network, that alone tells me your "expertise" in computers.

    out.


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  9. I have run XP on a 400Mhz PII, 450Mhz PIII, 800Mhz Duron, Tbird 1000, Tbird 1400, and a XP2100+. It's fine on all of em.

    I've run XP with 128MB, which is decent, but runs on virtual memory a lot. 256MB is fine. 512MB is really nice.

    The fact that you would recommend ME is really discouraging. ME is garbage.

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  10. ""I have run XP on a 400Mhz PII, 450Mhz PIII, 800Mhz Duron, Tbird 1000, Tbird 1400, and a XP2100+. It's fine on all of em.""

    And you can play all yer games smooooth on all of these setups, right?

    ""ME is garbage.""

    Based on what?

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  11. Games run fine. It's the videocard and drivers that are important.

    ME is garbage based on the fact that I've run it on several different machines and all it does is crash. It is the most unstable OS I've ever used. It's the most unstable OS anyone I know has ever used. It lasted 2 weeks on my main rig before I coastered the CD.

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  12. Blah, perhaps you should stick with 98 because were all full of sh*t.

    LOL
    Psyko

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  13. You actually ran it for two weeks? DUDE! And I thought <i>I</i> was brave.

    I managed to get through part of a day before formatting. Call it four hours, and that would be closer to the truth. That's about how long it took me to realize that the rumors were true, and it was a patched-together mess.

    Toey

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  14. The longest I was able to keep a ME system up was 5 days... and the last 2 were on life support as I didn't have sound, and 3D stopped working.

    I just had a 50 day stretch with XP, and only rebooted because I needed to get a program I just installed to work.

    Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.
  15. Hehehe, and all of you people call yerselvz "PC guru", bwahahaha, shoot me in the pinky, gg.

    How can you call yerselvz such a honorable thing if you can't get an OS to work for a while. I am probably the guruest one here, caz I have ME working for my kid (note: ME and 6 years old kid) since it came out on dual boot with w2k. He plays all his games on it without having any OS "crash"es, and if game does something weird, he knows how to "fix it" without "format/reinstall". That is what I call "Guru", hehehe.

    I have XPpro chuckling along on my laptop, and have it for the only reason that MS Streets&Trips (use it on the road a lot) gets frozen on w2k for no reason (probably they made it do it there;) Note: that is the only reason for XP and not w2k, caz UT is liquid fluid on 2k and choppy on XP (same machine), and trust me, I know a little bit how to tweak stuff.

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  16. To easy :wink:

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  17. Just an update for those of you who have provided some ideas, tips and small bags of motherborad screws (which, by the wya, really worries me). Up until my great XP upgrade I had been running Me flawlessly for almost 2 years. Personally I found it to be quite stable and reliable. I also ran Win2k for a while on dual boot and was equally as impressed. BUT! Then I thought...hang on, I can't network with Xp users properly cos microsoft are lazy (or it could be games programmers. who knows?) so I'll upgrade to XP. Initially thats what I did. I upgraded. But that went straight to hell from the minute it said 'welcome...'. So, I had no choice but to reformat to get rid of XP (cos Me couldn't run fdisk/format for some stupid ass reason) and reinstate Me. Sadly Me was having a whole lot of trouble with my 80gig/20gig hard drives (apparently they're 12gig and 19 gig). I spent 2 days rummaging through microsoft knowledge and some general bod-stuff but I couldn't find a solution, so I had to return to XP. Which I have done. I have now updated XP compluetely, all new video, audio, hard/cd/dvd/floppy/zip drives, dx9, all the updates (and 'all' is a lot) plus NortonSW 2003 and every game and software that I wonated on me old puter. And do you know what I have found? After a £105 case upgrade (to a nice cooling unit that keeps the chip at <50 degC)it STILL sodding well freezes every 3 seconds then surges and so on. And, despite my earlier statement, it affects every aspect of the computer. It's constant. Unless I leave my pc on overnight, then it works fine. If I turen it off for a couple of hours and return, it's all buggered up. But a nice 8 hour stint and all's well. go figure. I haven't.


    PS I also have a nice old k6-350/voodoo3000/sbawe32 (yes, it's real)64mb simm 15 gig hd running Me perfectly happy like. It runs all the games that it can as well as it can without any blue screen of death! Sadly UT2003 looks poo.

    "If I didn't see it, it's not illegal"
  18. I'm not sure what to tell you. A couple observations though. One is that you say you had to spend 105 pounds to get your cooling below 50C. This strikes me as odd. You should be able to do this with the stock HSF. What are you measuring the temps with? I would recommend motherboard monitor. Two, I'm not a fan of norton system works. I found that it can cause more problems than it solves. Try not to use it. The NAV is good though so just install that package and don't install the rest. Three, you still haven't listed all your components. List them completely and lets see if we can find another source of your problems.


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  19. Heres the rig (as per dxdiag)
    I've got the agp port set to 8x cos the same thing happens on 2x and 4x, so it makes no difference. If you really want to know more, I've got the winsys info saved as well. but it's a lot of info. v dull.

    toms has a review of the gigabyte ga7vax somewhere apparently.
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    System Information
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    Time of this report: 3/25/2003, 14:01:22
    Machine name: TOMS
    Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: GBT___
    System Model: GA-7VAX (rev F10)
    BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
    Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2100+, MMX, 3DNow, ~1.7GHz
    Memory: 512MB RAM
    Page File: 112MB used, 1138MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0 (4.09.0000.0900)
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    DxDiag Version: 5.03.0000.0900 32bit Unicode


    ---------------
    Display Devices
    ---------------
    Card name: RADEON 9700 SERIES
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: Radeon 9700AGP (ND)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E44&SUBSYS_00021002&REV_00
    Display Memory: 128.0 MB
    Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (85Hz)
    Monitor: Hansol 910A
    Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
    Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
    Driver Version: 6.14.0001.6292 (English)
    DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 1/21/2003 11:45:02, 268416 bytes
    WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
    VDD: n/a
    Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 1/21/2003 11:44:36, 569984 bytes
    Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-0D04-11CF-266B-0320A1C2CB35}
    Vendor ID: 0x1002
    Device ID: 0x4E44
    SubSys ID: 0x00021002
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Video Accel:
    Deinterlace Caps: n/a
    Registry: OK
    DDraw Status: Enabled
    D3D Status: Enabled
    AGP Status: Not Available
    DDraw Test Result: Not run
    D3D7 Test Result: Not run
    D3D8 Test Result: Not run
    D3D9 Test Result: Not run


    Description: SB Audigy Audio [D000]
    Default Sound Playback: Yes
    Default Voice Playback: Yes
    Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0004&SUBSYS_00531102&REV_03
    Manufacturer ID: 1
    Product ID: 100
    Type: WDM
    Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
    Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0244 (English)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    Date and Size: 3/22/2002 12:09:40, 835636 bytes
    Other Files:
    Driver Provider: Creative
    HW Accel Level: Full
    Cap Flags: 0xF5F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 4000, 191999
    Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 32, 31
    Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 32, 31
    HW Memory: 0
    Voice Management: Yes
    EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
    I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
    Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
    Registry: OK
    Sound Test Result: Not run

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  20. [H]OCP reckon DX9.0A is out, with some good results...
    I looked on the microsoft site but saw no mention. Gonna look again when i get in from work :/


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  21. "Sadly Me was having a whole lot of trouble with my 80gig/20gig hard drives (apparently they're 12gig and 19 gig"

    i had a similar problem when i got my 80 gig. Even Win98 detected it as 12 gig. i then booted from floppy and then used Partition Magic 5.0 to format my new HDD. After that, when i re-booted, Win98 detected the HDD properly. the rest of ur queries, i have no idea.
  22. Well lads, ladesses and others, I have some news that might just shock you.

    I know what the problem was and now, after 6 hours of thorough and painstaking testing, I can say, catgorically, what it is.

    Ready?

    (and sorry for not mentioning this option earlier)

    Zip Drive


    In fact, the problem was XP constantly accessess and updates it's drive info, whether it be floppy, cd, zip or indeed digital camera memory stick. I found that with any of these devices in use, XP would take a really minor performance hit every few moments as it, presumably, examined them. But when my parallel port Zip 250 was conencted, it would take a SEVERE performance hit ,demonstrated by my troubles. So, for future reference, if you want XP to run smoothly, make sure that you have no 'mass storage devices' connected to anything less than USB.


    Thanks again for your dedication, if all goes crap again, I'll leat my words and let you know!

    TheZombie (uuuuurgghhhhh....)

    "If I didn't see it, it's not illegal"
  23. Oh and a note about my £105 cooling upgrade, I should point out that according to bios diags, my cpu core temp is 48degC and my system board temp is 36degC (going up to about 53 and 40 respectively in times of great...heating)

    "If I didn't see it, it's not illegal"
  24. Glad you got that worked out. Just for fun though, try checking your temps with <A HREF="http://mbm.livewiredev.com/" target="_new">http://mbm.livewiredev.com/</A>.

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  25. ME is a POS blah. Get over it. If you try to do anything other than play minesweeper it's garbage. I tried hooking a parallel port zip drive to my friend's computer with ME and it wouldn't take it. It actually FUBAR'd his computer and he had to send it off to the manufacturer and got a whole new computer out of the deal (still with ME, but he didn't know better).

    I also work for AT&T Worldnet tech support, and of all the longest calls I get needing the most work to get fixed are the ME calls. And usually what I end up telling them to do is contact their modem or computer manufacturer for support. I don't bother sending them to MS because they would just take their money and not fix the problem (because it's ME's fault). ME is just a glossed-over, bugged-up version of 98 disguised to be a functional operating system. XP is heaven in comparison.

    XP 2500+ Barton @ 2235Mhz
    A7N8X Dlx
    2x512MB Corsair PC3200
    MSI GF3Ti 500
    16x DVD-ROM
    2x80GB 7200RPM Maxtor
    Onboard audio
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