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Celeron 2GHz vs. Athlon XP 1600+

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October 17, 2002 6:18:28 PM

With the release of the 2GHz Celeron, overclocking to 3GHz provides the performance of a 2.2Ghz P4. The question is, would you get a 2Ghz Celeron over a 1600+ Athlon XP? The AXP can overclock to 1.8Ghz or 1.9GHz with good cooling. The Celeron can be overclocked to 3GHz with the stock cooling. Which would you rather get?


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October 17, 2002 6:25:46 PM

no, the 3GHz celly is about the same as a p4 1.8a

"Is Celeron good?"
"No. Celeron is bad."
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October 17, 2002 6:27:09 PM

the cel 2.0@3.0 eats up a lot of enery, and still sucks.

id go for the axp

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October 17, 2002 6:42:53 PM

I think either would be good, but you might have a little better upgrade path with the cely depending on the mobo.

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October 17, 2002 9:09:26 PM

The XP1600 even rapes the 3GHZ in Commanche 4, proving futur games would suck on Celeron P4s, so even the 3GHZ, which is 1GHZ above the current one, has a hard time trying to catch up. Strange it took about 1GHZ to match a 200MHZ jump over to the 2.2GHZ P4.
Plus even if it does win in some areas, the rest SUCKS, I could not live with that. An AthlonMP 1600 would cost less, and would be much better.

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October 17, 2002 10:38:13 PM

No, the P4 1.8A is cheap enough, either one of those would be too slow for me to consider it an adequate upgrade to the parts I already have. Even the 1.8A would fail to meet my expectations for an upgrade, at stock speed. I'd have to overclock it.

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October 17, 2002 10:57:14 PM

Get a P4 2.4B. It's $190 or less at googlegear.com now and pairing it with a 845PE or something would ensure that you have some upgrade room.

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October 17, 2002 11:34:00 PM

Ok, the Celeron 2GHz can be had for $99US. What processor do you think it competes with. This isn't a question for me personally (I just built my fourth home PC this summer with a P4 2.26GHz), but I think the Celeron isn't as bad a processor as it once was 6 months ago.

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October 17, 2002 11:52:45 PM

No, I'm saying for Crashman. He's still got his PIII...

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October 18, 2002 12:15:42 AM

*squeak!*
[128k cache!]
*scurries off in fear*

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October 18, 2002 1:18:53 AM

Technology of the future:

Celeron 3.06GHz HT 533MHz FSB 128K L2 cache
2x64MB PC133 CL3 Dual Channel SDRAM
Intel Integrated <b><i>EXTREME</b></i> Graphics
MS Longhorn

$699

WOW!! What a system!

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October 18, 2002 1:23:36 AM

I still have a P3 with a G4 4200 and get over 10,000 3D Marks. In benchmarks it is on par with a P4 2gig or Athlon 1900+. So I see no reason to "upgrade" at this time. All of my games play great at 1280x1024x32 all detail on max.

Not bad for a $150US processor.

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October 18, 2002 1:29:26 AM

Bummer, I totally forgot about Longhorn, boy will Intel discontinue the Celeron as soon as it is released, that 128K will NOT live!

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October 18, 2002 1:29:58 AM

I thought Crash had said he bought his new system? I recall a thread about it.

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October 18, 2002 1:32:58 AM

IMO the Celeron I most respect, is the Tualatin 256K version. This one at least felt like it was something worth it. It's basically a Coppermine with the 100MHZ FSB, IIRC those were the first CuMines, right?

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October 18, 2002 1:34:15 AM

Quote:
pairing it with a 845PE or something would ensure that you have some upgrade room.


If the 845PE comes out as the new generation chipset, then yes, if not then it is doubtful due to the 3GHZ new motherboard requirement speccs.

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October 18, 2002 6:34:20 AM

nope, the tual/celly is a 1.33G coppermine, since overclocking is considered normal.

"Is Celeron good?"
"No. Celeron is bad."
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October 18, 2002 6:35:14 AM

no, a p4 1.8a easily overclocks to a p4 2.4, why spend the extra money?

"Is Celeron good?"
"No. Celeron is bad."
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October 18, 2002 12:31:46 PM

Maybe not everyone likes to run their systems overclocked (like me).

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October 18, 2002 12:32:37 PM

Oh he did? I never say that thread I guess.

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October 18, 2002 12:34:01 PM

Quote:
If the 845PE comes out as the new generation chipset, then yes, if not then it is doubtful due to the 3GHZ new motherboard requirement speccs.

Yup, it supports up to 3.06GHz and over with HT enabled. It's probably gonna be the last Single Channel DDR RAM mobo for the NW ever. Then we'll have Granite Bay, but that's DC DDR. Then on we go to Prescott.

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October 19, 2002 2:19:34 AM

I think you should OC it. It's free, it's safe, it's there waiting!
Dude, show it off, show off a 2.8GHZ in front of those wussies who paid 500$ for that CPU and pretend THEY are the kings of speed! You paid less than half that and can go further than theirs!

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October 19, 2002 2:44:54 AM

Of course i would get the AXP. There's no question unless you're comparing a celeron to a duron. Maybe if it were a 1 gig Athlon, I would get the celery, but that AXP vs that celery isn't really a contest.

Now, if I could get a P4 or a AXP that could oc a gig with stock cooling, then maybe I would reconsider, heh.
October 19, 2002 10:46:26 PM

Oh yeah I sure would o/c just to beat my friends, but I don't know if I'd run it there. 2 reasons. I dont need that extra bit of speed for anything I do (surf the web and game) and I'm paranoid. Even though it most likely'll not do a thing, I'd still be scared. So I'm fine running it stock for now.

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October 19, 2002 11:17:40 PM

It's a P3 1.26 /512k cache running at 166 fsb. Which gives me a 1583mhz. Although that is pushing my memory to its limit. 3.74v running 3/2/2/7/9. The processor will boot up to 174fsb but 3dmark boots me back to the desktop.

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October 19, 2002 11:46:25 PM

Wow! 3.74 Vmem, isn't that a little high? :wink:

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October 20, 2002 1:47:46 AM

Dosen't seem to be so far. Cruciat PC133 cas 2.I have very good air cooling throught my case. Im gettin arroung 50 to 55 cfm of air with 4 fans.
2-32cfm intakes. 1 in front and 1 in side blowing on graphics, cpu, memory area.
1-32cfm exhaust in powersupply

1-26cfm exhaust in back top. The CPU heatsink is also ducted to the back out this same fam.
I normally run 156fsb@1482 with memory at 2/2/2/5/7 at any lower voltage or higher fsb I have to increase the latency to 3/2/2/7/9.

Been running it like this for 6 months now. I can open the case and the memory is warm but nowhere near hot.At these settings I still break 10,000pts. but we all max them out for that high score.
I'll pull my stick of memory that won't do 166fsb and see what I get with these new drivers.

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