edited, read the post below<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by bbaeyens on 10/21/02 03:11 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Its official: Cray to use AMD opteron !
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The legendary supercomputer builder Cray develops a supercomputer for Sandia National Laboratories using AMD Opteron processors. According to an article in the Wall street Journal, the machine will beat the performance of the 100 Teraflop Earth simulator from NEC, "restoring the damaged selfconfidence of the Americans". Technical details are not disclosed yet, but will be during a press conference later today.
With this contract (?) for 64 bit cpu's, AMD can achieve an imporant technical victory over Intel. This good news comes just in time, last week AMD had to report a "fat" loss off 254 million dollar, or 74 cents a share, while im Q3 2001 it was stil 187 million.
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The legendary supercomputer builder Cray develops a supercomputer for Sandia National Laboratories using AMD Opteron processors. According to an article in the Wall street Journal, the machine will beat the performance of the 100 Teraflop Earth simulator from NEC, "restoring the damaged selfconfidence of the Americans". Technical details are not disclosed yet, but will be during a press conference later today.
With this contract (?) for 64 bit cpu's, AMD can achieve an imporant technical victory over Intel. This good news comes just in time, last week AMD had to report a "fat" loss off 254 million dollar, or 74 cents a share, while im Q3 2001 it was stil 187 million.
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Not sure if you know but Alpha CPU's are no more, they cease to exist. Cray has been using the Alpha's for some time now exclusivly.
There are several CPU's under consideration, to pick Opteron out as the winner would be false this early in the game.
The other CPU's under consideration are PPC64, PMC-Sierra RM9000x2, AMD and Intel.
IBM is ramping PPC64 quickly, Intel is almost ready, RM9000x2 is ready, AMD is far from ready.
Can you find the press conference link?
You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
There are several CPU's under consideration, to pick Opteron out as the winner would be false this early in the game.
The other CPU's under consideration are PPC64, PMC-Sierra RM9000x2, AMD and Intel.
IBM is ramping PPC64 quickly, Intel is almost ready, RM9000x2 is ready, AMD is far from ready.
Can you find the press conference link?
You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
No, that article is all I have.. no further info. Maybe someone can pickup the wallstreet journal over there ? According to the article, it was printed there..
But since the press release isnt out yet, AFAIK, so no way of telling. Reading the article made me assume AMD had won the contract, well, thats what it said anyway. Do you have more info on this ? Is it a fact that Cray is just considering AMD among other vendors ?
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But since the press release isnt out yet, AFAIK, so no way of telling. Reading the article made me assume AMD had won the contract, well, thats what it said anyway. Do you have more info on this ? Is it a fact that Cray is just considering AMD among other vendors ?
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Supposedly quoted from the WSJ:
source:
<A HREF="http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=4687810&tid=amd&sid=4687810&mid=721985" target="_new"> Yahoo message board </A>
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source:
<A HREF="http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=4687810&tid=amd&sid=4687810&mid=721985" target="_new"> Yahoo message board </A>
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Its official:
<A HREF="http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2002/comp-soft-math/redstorm.html" target="_new">http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2002/comp-soft-math/redstorm.html</A>
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Red Storm is expected to become operational in fiscal year 2004, and will use the upcoming Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (NYSE: AMD) Opteron™ processors connected via a low-latency, high-bandwidth, three-dimensional mesh interconnect network based on HyperTransport™ technology. This system is expected to be at least seven times more powerful than Sandia’s current ASCI Red supercomputer on actual weapons problems. ASCI Red was the first supercomputer delivered under the ASCI program
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quote from another forum:
With this deal, AMD just outsold Itanium I&II combined in one swoop ;-)
On a side note, AMD stocks just went up 20% on one day, and the stocks I bought last week are up 35%
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<A HREF="http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2002/comp-soft-math/redstorm.html" target="_new">http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2002/comp-soft-math/redstorm.html</A>
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Red Storm is expected to become operational in fiscal year 2004, and will use the upcoming Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (NYSE: AMD) Opteron™ processors connected via a low-latency, high-bandwidth, three-dimensional mesh interconnect network based on HyperTransport™ technology. This system is expected to be at least seven times more powerful than Sandia’s current ASCI Red supercomputer on actual weapons problems. ASCI Red was the first supercomputer delivered under the ASCI program
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quote from another forum:
With this deal, AMD just outsold Itanium I&II combined in one swoop ;-)
On a side note, AMD stocks just went up 20% on one day, and the stocks I bought last week are up 35%
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It seems Cray will go with the Opteron, huge step for AMD in the server market. Cray can take them to the top and AMD can bring Cray down to the bottom.
Cray is not staying afloat with volume sales. They maintain with large support contracts with military, goverment, educational, and medical systems. Cray has broken off SGI after poor sales and role turned into maintainance obligations. 1996 Cray broke off fomr SGI and dust settled in 1999. iirc Tera Inc purchased Cray and ran into a brick wall in 2000, hence the absense of "Tera" machines from market.
Outselling the Itanium's is jumping the gun since this is still on paper.
You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
fixed a sentance so it was worded poperly<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by FUGGER on 10/21/02 01:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Cray is not staying afloat with volume sales. They maintain with large support contracts with military, goverment, educational, and medical systems. Cray has broken off SGI after poor sales and role turned into maintainance obligations. 1996 Cray broke off fomr SGI and dust settled in 1999. iirc Tera Inc purchased Cray and ran into a brick wall in 2000, hence the absense of "Tera" machines from market.
Outselling the Itanium's is jumping the gun since this is still on paper.
You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
fixed a sentance so it was worded poperly<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by FUGGER on 10/21/02 01:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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Hmm I guess the market thing is due to such news, which probably invites buyers.
As for the news, well it seems nice, this is an example of the chance AMD's Opteron might have, especially to be the ultimate supercomputer. And it does strike as weird that Itanium 2 wasn't taken since it has owning FPU, I'd imagine supercomputing requires such.
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As for the news, well it seems nice, this is an example of the chance AMD's Opteron might have, especially to be the ultimate supercomputer. And it does strike as weird that Itanium 2 wasn't taken since it has owning FPU, I'd imagine supercomputing requires such.
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I cant help it, this made my day. I bought quite a few AMD shares last week at $3.7, and now they are up to $5.6 Thats over 50%. I keep refreshing that portfolio page
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>Hmm I guess the market thing is due to such news, which
>probably invites buyers.
OF course. Well, it also seriously boosts Opteron's perceived chances in the server market. Many investors will think, if Cray chooses Opteron, then many will follow suit. Considering the incredible low price of AMD shares, this uptake shouldnt come as a suprise.
>And it does strike as weird that Itanium 2 wasn't taken
>since it has owning FPU, I'd imagine supercomputing
>requires such.
I think the main reasons why Opteron was chosen over Itanium, is HyperTransport. Makes creating such a large supercomputer both cheaper, easier, and faster. I've always been conviced the HT topology was *the* opportunity for Hammer.
A second reason may have been powerconsumption. Raw per cpu performance isnt that critical in supercompers like this. ASCII red is still a formidable machine, and its built around PII Xeons if Im not mistaken.
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>probably invites buyers.
OF course. Well, it also seriously boosts Opteron's perceived chances in the server market. Many investors will think, if Cray chooses Opteron, then many will follow suit. Considering the incredible low price of AMD shares, this uptake shouldnt come as a suprise.
>And it does strike as weird that Itanium 2 wasn't taken
>since it has owning FPU, I'd imagine supercomputing
>requires such.
I think the main reasons why Opteron was chosen over Itanium, is HyperTransport. Makes creating such a large supercomputer both cheaper, easier, and faster. I've always been conviced the HT topology was *the* opportunity for Hammer.
A second reason may have been powerconsumption. Raw per cpu performance isnt that critical in supercompers like this. ASCII red is still a formidable machine, and its built around PII Xeons if Im not mistaken.
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>Cray can take them to the top
Sure helps when you are starting from scratch. First design win is immediately for one of the, if not the fastest supercomputer in the world. I dont think Intel will be happy with this.
>and AMD can bring Cray down to the bottom.
Doubtfull. Cray isnt married to any cpu vendor. Even if AMD would go belly up, they will simply design their next supercomputer around a different cpu. VIA perhaps ? Or a Transmeta x86-64 ;-)
>Outselling the Itanium's is jumping the gun since this is
>still on paper.
Of course, one shouldnt take that literally. But 16.000 (if true) is a significant number. I wouldnt be suprised if Itanium sales where in fact in the same order of magnitude, or perhaps even less so far. Compared to Xeon sales its obviously a total non issue.
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Sure helps when you are starting from scratch. First design win is immediately for one of the, if not the fastest supercomputer in the world. I dont think Intel will be happy with this.
>and AMD can bring Cray down to the bottom.
Doubtfull. Cray isnt married to any cpu vendor. Even if AMD would go belly up, they will simply design their next supercomputer around a different cpu. VIA perhaps ? Or a Transmeta x86-64 ;-)
>Outselling the Itanium's is jumping the gun since this is
>still on paper.
Of course, one shouldnt take that literally. But 16.000 (if true) is a significant number. I wouldnt be suprised if Itanium sales where in fact in the same order of magnitude, or perhaps even less so far. Compared to Xeon sales its obviously a total non issue.
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Its a toss of the coin IMO, its good for AMD for sure.
For Cray, AMD might enable them to re-enter and revive the supercomputer market. Lots of old vector based systems that need to be replaced. that is huge $
Cray/Tera plan on installing AMD in a military installation. this is big for AMD itself let alone backed by Cray.
Lets not talk about AMD failing to deliver, it could sink both comapanies. Plenty of time so lets hope it is used wisely.
You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
For Cray, AMD might enable them to re-enter and revive the supercomputer market. Lots of old vector based systems that need to be replaced. that is huge $
Cray/Tera plan on installing AMD in a military installation. this is big for AMD itself let alone backed by Cray.
Lets not talk about AMD failing to deliver, it could sink both comapanies. Plenty of time so lets hope it is used wisely.
You are limited to what your mind can perceive.
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True to that. I think AMD's gonna push themselves extra hard to deliver.
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Not another x86 supercomputer. It was bad enough they did one on in 97. On the other hand, it would be interesting to see a 16000 processor supercomputer. I wonder how they're gonna cool that.....
On a side note, someone mentioned why Itanium 2 wasn't chosen, well, just look at the price of one compared to an Opteron (supposedly under $1000).
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On a side note, someone mentioned why Itanium 2 wasn't chosen, well, just look at the price of one compared to an Opteron (supposedly under $1000).
"We are Microsoft, resistance is futile." - Bill Gates, 2015.
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Aside from costs, and aside from the terrible weaknesses of x86, who knows, it could be a killer supercomputer, no?
With the current 2GHZ performance, and what would arrive next year in better performance (there has to be updates by then), the Opteron Supercomputer will really push.
Though I don't want to sound AMD biased, I think this is awesome news. We've had bad news since a while from AMD, and Intel is only doing better, not to mention AMD drifting away from the desktop competition. This is just what they need to PROVE and BOOST their image. I do hope this rakes cash, though when I think of 16000 CPUs, times ~1000$ per CPU, isn't 16M $ kind of low still, if companies supposedly gain over 200M per quarter with profits? I'm a rookie to the market anyway, so please feel free to correct me.
What I hope after this is that it continues. If AMD convinces more and more people to use Opteron, they will have their new goal right where they want it, and can shoot at it with virtually no obstacle. That's what is needed for them to gain money and perhaps recreate a new AMD for the desktop world.
If not, well god forbid what Intel could do with no CPU competition, which I doubt will happen.
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With the current 2GHZ performance, and what would arrive next year in better performance (there has to be updates by then), the Opteron Supercomputer will really push.
Though I don't want to sound AMD biased, I think this is awesome news. We've had bad news since a while from AMD, and Intel is only doing better, not to mention AMD drifting away from the desktop competition. This is just what they need to PROVE and BOOST their image. I do hope this rakes cash, though when I think of 16000 CPUs, times ~1000$ per CPU, isn't 16M $ kind of low still, if companies supposedly gain over 200M per quarter with profits? I'm a rookie to the market anyway, so please feel free to correct me.
What I hope after this is that it continues. If AMD convinces more and more people to use Opteron, they will have their new goal right where they want it, and can shoot at it with virtually no obstacle. That's what is needed for them to gain money and perhaps recreate a new AMD for the desktop world.
If not, well god forbid what Intel could do with no CPU competition, which I doubt will happen.
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>16000 CPUs, times ~1000$ per CPU
I seriously doubt they got $1000/cpu. This is a prestige win, it is not so important what AMD makes on this. AFAIK, they could have sold these opterons for $200 each, it would still be a damn sweet deal. As you pointed out, this is about credibility, much more than about turnover.
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I seriously doubt they got $1000/cpu. This is a prestige win, it is not so important what AMD makes on this. AFAIK, they could have sold these opterons for $200 each, it would still be a damn sweet deal. As you pointed out, this is about credibility, much more than about turnover.
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Just wondering.. do these systems come with "normal" cpu fans ? Just the thought of having 16000 fans.. it would be a full time job replacing failed fans, no ?
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Hmm... I dont really see the next xbox using a hammer style cpu (let alone an itanium). no, the "only" place AMD has to replace intel, is in Dell servers. This is a very old discussion, but for the first I think the odds might not be so bad. I had never thought AMD would win a contract like the Cray deal, and I dont think Cray chose Opteron just for the price. So, who knows, maybe Dell will surprise us early next year by announcing support for opteron based servers ? Cant wait to see what that would do to AMDs stock price. Maybe its worth keeping an eye on Micheal Dells stock purchases ;-)
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