Did they rip me off?

No, you didn't get ripped, only Intel advertises a (ie) 1.7 machine which is actually 1.7, a 1.8=1.8 etc. AMD does what tbirdXPplus said!!!!

They can't fire me,slaves have to be sold !!!

Yes, you got ripped off. By AMD. They claim the XP+ scale is based on original Thunderbird speeds. But if you test a system with a 1000B thunderbird against an XP2000+, you'll find out it's a lie.

What they actually did is base their scale on the performance of the P4. And it holds up fairly well to about 2200+. Not because the XP processor is "that good" but because the P4 performs "that bad" compared to previous processors.

You really can't do anything about AMD ripping you off. Just like you can't do anything about the percepted "rip off" of the P4 underperforming the PIII, clock for clock. What you can do is console yourself by remembering "performance ratings have nothing to do with MHz" and try to forget that they use similar numbers to fool you into believing they do.

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LOL, I hate dishonesty. Sure, Intel was dishonest by telling people in their adds that the P4 was "much faster" than previous processors. But AMD more than made up for it by using deceptive numbers in their XP rating system. Both facts irritate me.

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It's impossible to make it public enough, people read the big print, not the fine print. Nothing on the system would indicate the true nature of this deception.

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It currently in benchmarks, is.

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However that means Intel could've either sued them or used many things against them. They chose the way so no one can use any case against them. Besides you are forgetting that it would not be linear had it been for P4s. Current P4 Bs have about 20-30% better IPC, bringing them fairly close to Athlon Tbirds, therefore an XP2400 does perform as a Tbird 2.4GHZ or close, as the P4 is clock for clock quite up there against Tbirds.

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Yeah. Except it was so blatantly obvious they were directly comparing it tho the willy P4.


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While talking processorspeeds, I kind of hate that Intel skipped the 666 processor
and made it a 667...weak.

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ya i agree with you.

But i think Intel rushed the pentium 4 to quick. With the northwood and the coming HT i think they are "bug" fixes and "patches" to get the P4 up to par to what they wanted it to be at first. Thats what i think. I think prescott is what they wanted all along but couldn't get it done.

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Agreed.

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