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November 3, 2011 7:43:53 PM

Hey im on the very edge of ordering a Sager NP8170 from exotic pc and i was wondering if you guys could look over the spec below and tell me if you see anything wrong with it. Also has anyone had any experience ordering from from anywhere outside of the US? I want an estimate of how much i will be paying for shipping for just the laptop rather than the sites rough estimate of anything bellow $220.

Price of my spec is £1001 (price under the assumption postage is £75)

The webpage of the laptop:

thanks for all replys in advance

p.s. does anyone know what a wire transfer is?

Sager NP8170 / Clevo P170HM

- 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen (1920x1080) (SKU - S1R506)
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM, 2.2-3.1GHz, (32nm, 6MB L3 cache) (SKU - S2N224)
- - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD6990 2048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 $100 OFF (SKU - S3R151)
- No Video Adapter
- 8GB - DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (4 SODIMMS)
- Sager Branding
- Standard Finish
- 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache) (SKU - S5R207)
- Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti DVDRW/CDRW Drive
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- ~Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's + Microsoft Office Starter 2010 - Included with OS Purchase
- LIFETIME Ltd Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime -24/7 DOMESTIC Based- Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Warranty Repairs (SKU - X9R009)
- No Outside of US Shipping Coverage

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a b D Laptop
November 3, 2011 9:11:58 PM

Hello, the specs look fine. I recently got almost the same thing myself. They did their job pretty well, I got the machine in one piece and I'm very happy with it so far.

I live in US, so I can't give you any estimate on how much it will be. I heard it mentioned that for global shipping they take something like 10% of the total price (so I guess that would be 100 pounds for you) But I cannot tell you for sure. Your best bet email or get on web based chat and talk with them to find out, they have very good support. Or you could try their forums, their staff posts there relatively often plus there's a good number of customers there that might be able to help you out.
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a c 572 D Laptop
November 3, 2011 9:15:26 PM

Go ahead and chatup the guys @ Xotic. They'll know how much the shipping is going to be and might even be able to give you references to other satisfied customers in the UK (if there are any that agreed to be references).

Click on the picture and use the Live Chat option.
a c 572 D Laptop
November 3, 2011 9:17:17 PM Looks like Kobalt went out of business a few weeks ago. Too bad.
a c 572 D Laptop
November 3, 2011 9:28:51 PM

If the Euro conversion rate is favorable for the £ at the moment it might be worth checking out some of the continental options. p170hm
November 5, 2011 1:21:01 PM

Thanks guys, every post was a goldmine of information ill get right onto xotic pc forums and ask them about postage.

Thanks explaining wire transfer and checking the spec.

Just one more small question. I posted the same question (as above) on the "Escapist" forums and was advised by atleast 5 posters to go with a desktop as gaming laptops still dont have enough proper cooling and overheat after a few hours of gameplay. Is this true or can i trust a brand like sager?

a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 1:56:17 PM

The #1 to get a desktop is that for the same cost you get a lot more gaming power.
I know a "Radeon HD 6990M" sounds like a very powerful graphics card (and it is, for a laptop) but compared to a desktop card it's about on par with a Radeon HD 6850.
You can pick up one of those for under $150 these days. And you could upgrade it in 2 years.

Overheating? Not so much if you keep the laptop on a hard flat surface and keep the cooling system clean. And own a laptop "designed" to be good at gaming.
Slapping a bigger graphics card into a budget laptop with a wimpy cooling system is going to run the rist of overheating.
Sager (Clevo) NP8150/NP8170: Temperatures and Cooling
Big beefy cooling system = happy gamer.
November 5, 2011 2:23:07 PM

Thats alot of heatsink :D . Is it possible to throw another 6990m in there at a later date? and if so where would I get a mobile graphics card from (i know mxm and ebay might sell them but anywhere else?)

Also was a great site. I found a vortex (with a smaller screen) thats on par with the pricing of Sager i was looking at from xotic pc. Know any more great sites WR2?

Hope you mind me picking your brain like this but this info is gold!. Thanks again for all the help :sol: 
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 2:34:08 PM

It's also a dual fan/dual heatsink model. Lot of general purpose 'gaming' laptops have a single fan and shared heatsink servicing both the CPU and GPU. 15" models might have different arrangements.
Shared fan and heatsink - Dell XPS 15z

CFX 6990M? Not with that model of chassis. You'd be looking for a system with an even beefier cooling system and larger chassis.
November 5, 2011 2:51:36 PM

Ah that clears that up. Do not want a shared cooling system :D 

I have another question about shipping from xotic pc in america to me in the UK. The website mentions something about calculating tax for my own country so does that mean when the laptop arrives in the uk i will be charged an extra 20% Value Added Tax?
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 3:03:09 PM

Yes you would. All goods imported into the UK from outside the EU must be declared to HM Revenue & Customs and in most cases, are subject to Customs duty & VAT. This includes goods bought over the Internet.
Luckily there is no import duty for computers or laptops (at least last time I checked).
November 5, 2011 3:10:52 PM

With tax then i cant afford a Sager :(  . Know any other uk laptop sites like that i can visit and prce compare?
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 3:55:09 PM

Sorry; not that familiar with the UK sites.
As far as I know is about the best choice anyway. would have been another good choice but it seems they went out of business recently.
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 3:56:25 PM

djkeenan said:
With tax then i cant afford a Sager
Don't you mean you can't afford a Sager with a 6990M?
November 5, 2011 4:04:00 PM

No because im paying near enough £1200 (including tax) with or without it because of the $100 discount you get for spending over $1500. Complicated i know :??:  FYI my budget is £1100 at the very max!

Maybe i should get a laptop with a low level graphics card like a gt 560m and upgrade that at a later date.

Any websites where i can buy laptop parts or custom laptop cases (im not afraid to build my own as im quite experienced) please show me the links.

thanks for help :) 
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 4:12:21 PM

I actually have no idea where you'd get a retail chassis and GPU.
Suppose you could try buying retail barebones Sager/Clevo chassis and buy RAM/HDD/CPU/GPU at retail.
I'm thinking you'd end up paying more than buying from PCSpecialist.
And run the risk of a build failure. Look at the inside of the chassis above.
A LOT different from building a desktop system.
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 4:17:38 PM

Neither eBay or turned up any options for:
clevo p170hm barebone
barebone clevo p170hm
November 5, 2011 4:22:26 PM

Well i was thinking this:

case which would come to about £750 including taxes

then an i7 off ebay for £100

I have a laptop HD lieing around at home

Then ram is less than a £5 for 2 sticks of 2gb 1333mhz from ebay

Total price about £900

Its a shame it dosnt have the steelseries keyboard or a better graphics card (really wannted a 6990m :( )
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 4:26:56 PM

Got link for the eBay i7?
What size is that HD? And how much for the OS?
November 5, 2011 4:31:20 PM

another case not sure if its better or worse

The HD is 320gb with 7200rpm not sure of cache

The OS im gonna try and get from my uni with student discount

The i7 i havnt looked for yet but a quick browse and i guessed £100 for a 2ghz one. Which i think is all you need with any game today.
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 4:33:52 PM

djkeenan said:
The HD is 320gb with 7200rpm not sure of cache
Size, not capacity. 2.5" or 3.5"?
November 5, 2011 4:36:18 PM

2.5" ofcourse lol :D 

But good work checking that :) 

Ive taken a few acer aspires apart and replaced the mobos (bit of a nightmare) and one i couldnt repair so ive still got the bits including the 320gb HD :) 

also another great site i found
November 5, 2011 4:55:24 PM

Wow thats an awesome list. Im gonna get sumin to eat then im gonna read through that.

thank you
November 5, 2011 5:07:54 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
Why buy from a US distributor when there are (at least were) many Clevo resellers in your neck of the woods ....scroll down the distributor list here

Ok all the uk companys are either of business or dont seem to sell sager anymore (except rock)
a c 572 D Laptop
November 5, 2011 5:12:47 PM

How do Rock prices compare to PC Specialist?
November 5, 2011 6:05:47 PM

£1300 for a laptop thats nowhere near the spec i want :( 
November 5, 2011 6:45:59 PM

If i add a 2.2ghz i7 to this for £150

Plus an OS for £60

Then i add ram for £5 (4gb)

Thats £215 plus the £717 for the case i have far more powerful laptop than the one i was looking at earlier for only £32 more. £932 for the lot :) 

The beauty is (im hopeing) i wont have to pay tax on the laptop case as its just a shell and not a fully assembled laptop!
November 5, 2011 7:02:11 PM

Right guys ive been reading up on VAT and apparently anything over the value of £18 is taxed %20 of its value unless its food. So i think im gonna have to bight the bullet and buy a vortex 2

Anyone know anything about the vortex brand?
a b D Laptop
November 5, 2011 7:15:44 PM

that vortex looks like W150/170 clevo case
November 5, 2011 7:47:19 PM

Ok guys this is great. Were making progress because im pretty sure the Vortex II 17 is a clevo np170hm which is just what i wanted :D . SO i think i might buy this laptop. Can i just ask a couple questions about the upgrade options?

1. Is it worth spending an extra £89 upgrading the i7 cpu from 2.2ghz to 2.4ghz. Will a 2.2ghz hold back my graphics card potential? Keep in mind i do like to play RTS like company of heroes.

2. Should i opt to not have a DVD drive and install my own from home that i got from an old acer aspire laptop? I would save a little cash if i could use my own. Do you know if laptop dvd drives are a universal size?

3. Is it worth upgrading the standard thermal paste to arctic silver for £9? Does thermal paste really make any difference with regards to laptops?

4. Whats the point of buying a year long "no dead pixel gurantee" if the laptop come with a warrany? Also are laptops with HD prone to dead pixels?

5. is a 17" screen worth the extra £70? I mean im sure a 17" laptop cools better than the 15" version because of its size but a 15" is a little bit cheaper...

Sorry the intro and questions seem rushed out. I wrote a long intro thanking you guys for your help but firefox crashed and i lost the stuff i typed, my current laptop is rubbish (its chrager is held together with an alastic band :kaola:  )
a b D Laptop
November 6, 2011 12:22:09 AM

sorry to burst your bubble but that thing doesn't look like p170, it's more likely a W170 (see here)

1. probably not it'd be more reasonable if you listed which model you upgrading from and to
2. don't know, I think they are all the same but not sure 100% maybe wr2 knows
4. dead pixel covers your screen developing problems, basically if you get dead pixels they will replace the screen for you for free. general warranty doesn't cover that
5. it's a matter of preference, there's really only screen real estate of difference
a c 572 D Laptop
November 6, 2011 12:34:57 AM

1. Not worth it IMO.
2. Compare to the cost of a new ODD you can install your self.
3. Yes.
4. Cost? What is the 'standard' no charge dead pixel standard? A few dead or bright dot pixels will not trigger a replacement under a standard warranty.
5. Are you still talking 1920x1080 for both? Your choice then.
November 6, 2011 1:11:51 AM

Nope Vortex II 17 is a P170HM. See the finger print scanner. Anyway, to summarise the answers as ive interpreted them:

1. processor speed makes little difference if the technology is as far a ahead as the i7 core (for current gen games)
2. Laptop DVD drives all come in a standard set size so i should use the spare dvd drive i have at home
3. arctic silver is good but just realised i have diamond so if the card is running hot ill replace the standard thermal paste with the diamond paste.
4. still not sure of the likelihood of getting dead pixels and a years warrants is £30 so thats a good deal?
5. im gonna go 17" for the full experience:)