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November 17, 2002 7:23:32 AM

Hello Tom's world,

I'm a system builder in Australia and therefore find myself at Toms Hardware quite often, checking out all the latest reviews and Benchmark tests.

I'm starting to get a little annouyed at the P4 vs Athlon benchmark tests here at Tom's. They simply do not hold any real world relevance. No-one I'm selling PC's to are buying P4's with RDRAM. My high-end systems are always Athlons with DDR333 or P4's with DDR333. I think you'll find this is the trend the world over, so why aren't we seeing benchmarks comparing the CPU's in this configuration?

If you want to include P4 with PC-1066 in the benchmarks then fine, I don't care, but please PLEASE also show everyone how the P4 performs with DDR333(PC-2700).

From my experience with my own bechmark testing the Athlon is still a pretty comfortable leader in the CPU stakes when both platforms use DDR333. I think the world should be better informed about this.
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November 17, 2002 11:50:58 AM

Toms hardware compares the best Intel platform against the best AMD platform.

Comparing AMD/DDR to P4/DDR is like comparing AMD/SDR (PC133) to P4/DDR. Not a fair comparison at all..

P4 performs best with RDRAM and Athlon performs best with DDRSDRAM. Why cripple one to make the other look better.

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November 17, 2002 11:55:51 AM

It would be more relevant to show the P4 using a DDR setup as that is far more common. I suggest you head over to Aces. He usually has a very broad range of system configurations and benchmarks. Tomshardware isn't the only site on the internet you know.

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November 17, 2002 12:50:13 PM

>Comparing AMD/DDR to P4/DDR is like comparing AMD/SDR
>(PC133) to P4/DDR. Not a fair comparison at all..

No one is buying athlons with SDR; yet many, if not most P4 systems are being sold with DDR. So I think adding DDR P4 benchmarks is a very valid question. IM not saying they should ban RDRAM benches, as they show what performance you can get if money isnt an issue, but I agree with the original poster that adding DDR Ram benches is meaningfull.

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November 17, 2002 1:01:24 PM

You'll get your wish in a few days when Tom switches to using Granite Bay as the only DDR setup to really offer the maximum performance. With 4.2GB/sec Dual Channeled PC2100 which is cheap now to buy, I do not expect RDRAM to win at all if the SiS 648 or the i845PE with DDR333 are able to match or closely match the PC1066 setup.

Unfortunatly if you were directing this to Tom himself or any of his editors, you won't get anything from it, only David Stellmack and Omid come, but so rarely that it's for putting a discussion topic, and I tell you again, chances are 1 in 10K that this would be read by them.

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November 17, 2002 9:19:37 PM

I agree that in "real world" systems almost everyone choses PC2700 ram now. It's affordable and easily availible. I'd like to see the comparison.

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November 17, 2002 10:00:45 PM

omg
Did you even read my post?
November 17, 2002 10:57:59 PM

While I agree it would be helpful to see cpu reviews use a variety of memory options, I have to say that the extra bandwidth PC1066 has over PC2700 does not enhance performance by much. In fact PC2700 has some advantage over PC1066 in latency and this can enhance performance in real world situations.
Here an article that compared various P4 memory options and shows that PC2700 can be competative with PC1066.
<A HREF="http://www17.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q2/020520/ind..." target="_new">click</A>

In general PC1066 offers slightly better perfomance, but PC2700 is rarely far behind and can even edge ahead.
November 18, 2002 12:08:56 AM

I hadn't really thought about how they always tested P4 RDRAM with Athlon DDR. But now that you mention it, I would very much like to see P4 and Athlon's both with DDR configurations.

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November 18, 2002 12:18:41 AM

That article you have linked to just proves my point, if you know how to read the figures.

The only benchmark results in that article that show DDR333 close to, or very slightly ahead of PC-1066 are the ones that have ALL memory types very close together. In other words, the memory is not the limiting factor in those benchmarks. The bottleneck may well be cpu or something else.

In every bench test that shows a decent spread between the memory types (i.e. memory is the bottleneck) PC-1066 is clearly ahead on every occasion.
December 18, 2002 2:38:53 PM

The fan I used for my k6-2 500 overclocked to 550 (don't laugh) was a big ass fortis copper heatsink, with some cheapo GlobalWin 60mm fan. It seemed to work ok. Of course, I did slap about 3 80mm on the little case I had it it. Without a nice fan/hs those things get HOT. That along with an old voodoo3 2000 made for a nice oven.

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December 18, 2002 2:49:11 PM

I can beleive it, I had about the same setup with a voodoo 3 3000, the card alone made my case hot...

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December 18, 2002 6:09:59 PM

That Titan of yours is designed to handle an Athlon 1.4 which dissipates 65 Watts of heat nominally (more overclocked). The K6-2+ 450 only needs to dissipate 16 Watts. Your D5TB will be more than enough.

By the way, I used to use a HSF identical to the Titan TTC-CU5TB found on your link page. I used the Evercool <A HREF="http://www.nexfan.com/29/331.htm?404" target="_new">CUD-715</A> (all copper) but I switched to a cheap backup HSF, the <A HREF="http://www.nexfan.com/29/248.htm?404" target="_new">Galaxy GC21</A> (all aluminum) which actually cools better. (Sometimes simple really is better). Then I swapped in a quieter <A HREF="http://www.nexfan.com/43/425.htm?404" target="_new">YS Tech TMD fan</A> (don't run these off a motherboard fan header). This all cools (barely) my Tbird 1000 at 1500 Mhz. Talk about heat, though. My PC keeps my room warm.

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December 19, 2002 12:42:34 AM

Yes but it also showed that conventional DDR P4 systems are actually still behind AMDs, even 3.06GHZ ones, which surprises me a lot. That is what the majority of users here who got DDR setups will get. I thought it would be higher.

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December 19, 2002 4:04:05 AM

If you're willing to spend over $700 on a 3.06 P4, is money really an issue anyway?

The P4 works optimally with 1066 RDRAM, and should be benched that way. Not doing so is like not allowing an nForce2 in your Athlon benches.

While most of us would find a P4/DDR benchmark much more useful, it's a lot more fun drooling over an RDRAM setup we can't afford. Just like car magazines... out of reach, but it's still fun to know just how fast a ferrari can go.
December 19, 2002 8:20:44 AM

PC 3200 XMS from corsair cost a bit less that PC 1066 and a lot of poeple buy that as the next big thing may boot.

Now what to do??
December 19, 2002 2:17:50 PM

AMD WINS AGAIN!!!!

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December 19, 2002 2:18:41 PM

LoL .... DiDn't mean to piss off you P4' users'... just thought that was alittle funny

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