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FINALLY - new computer for me!

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November 18, 2002 6:10:04 AM

i just need some double checking
here's what i have: (stripping from my current cpu)
cd-rw/dvd-rom
60gig hdd ata 100
voodoo5 PCI (i'm getting an ati 9700 for christmas)
here's what i'm going to get:
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Product
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Unit Price
Qty x Price
Cases PC - ATX - Mini/Med Tower
ENLIGHT Model# EN-72500AZ (BEIGE) ATX MID-TOWER CASE w/ 300Watt POWER SUPPLY - RETAIL
AMD Approved & Pentium 4 Ready One Year Warranty. Virtually screwless case assembly, universal I/O shields, more drive bay options than other cases on the market and more!
Specifications:
Material: 0.8 mm thick SECC rustproof & galvanized JIS steel
Drive Bays: External 4 X 5.25" - 2 X 3.5" Internal 1 X 3.5"
System Board: Full ATX 12" x 9.6"
Expansion Slot: 7 Slots
USB/IO: Dual USB on front
Standard Fan(s): 1 X 80mm Ball bearing fan (front)
Dimensions: 7.7" (W) X 16.7" (H) X 18.9" (D) more info>
* (Includes FedEx Saver Shipping)
N82E16811116122
$59.00
$58/10 pcs*
$57/20 pcs*
$56/30 pcs*
$59.00
Memory - PC (DDR)
?On Sale! CRUCIAL MICRON 256MB 32x64 PC 2100 DDR RAM - OEM 184-Pin, CL=2.5- Unbuffered 2.5V, 6-Layers CT3264Z265 Requires DDR supported Motherboard - Lifetime Warranty. OEM more info>
N82E16820145001
$77.00
$77.00
Motherboards - AMD
Gigabyte GA-7VAX, VIA KT400 chipset 8X AGP
ATX motherboard
Specifications:
CPU Support: Socket A for Athlon XP/ATHLON/ DURON
Chipset: VIA KT400/8235
IDE: ULTRA DMA ATA 133/100/66
Memory: 3x DIMM Slots DDR 400/333/266/200, PC3200/2700/2100/1600, 3GB Max
Slots: 1x AGP(2x/4x/8x), 5x PCI
(8x will be good for ATI 9700 when i get it for christmas)
Ports: 2x USB (onboard), 2x Serial, 1x LPT, 1x Audio, 1x PS/2 Mouse/Keyboard
Onboard Audio: AC97 REALTEK ALC650 SOUND CHIP (6 CHANNELS)
Onboard LAN:Realtek 8100BL Ethernet 10/100Mb LAN controller more info>
N82E16813128154
$89.00
$89.00
Processors
AMD Athlon XP 2000+/266 FSB Processor CPU
- 2000+/ 1.67GHz -Retail Box
BOX2000DMT3C. 3 Years Warranty. The AMD Athlon XP processor with QuantiSpeed architecture powers the next generation in computing platforms, delivering extra performance for cutting-edge applications and an extra-ordinary computing experience.world's highest overall performing PC processor.
Specifications:
CPU: 1.67 GHz
Type: 2000 XP
Cache: 256K
BUS: 266MHz
Socket A (PGA)
Retail (Box with Heatsink and Fan)
more info>
$95.00
all via newegg.com

tell me if i'm missing ANYTHING. a better case, better cpu, better MOBO, if i need fans, heatsink, thermal glue or whatever. ANYTHING!
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME BUILDING A PC! so i don't want to leave anything out. is installtion hard? do i need to get one of those static wristbands? should i be wary of anything? putting in the cpu? anything? any help at all i'll be greatful.

that reminds me. what do i do to install windows 98 on it? i'm going to use the HDD i'm currently using, when i boot up, i just leave the cd in the tray, right? i also have a redhat partition and its grub boot loader thing, i'd like to get rid of it if i could. if you can't tell, this is my VERY first time building my own pc. so i'm just clueless.

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November 18, 2002 11:29:37 AM

Get in there son. Nice one.
personally, i would go for a higher rated power supply. 300W is going to be cutting it fine. if you have the cash, try and get an enermax or something.... 350W at least.
Also, consider getting 512MB ram, especially if you are going to install windows XP, although you can always add more at a later date. But definately get faster memory. That motherboard supports up to PC3200 so make use of it.

The retail Athlon you are getting should come with a heatsink/fan but these are not the best available. consider getting something better, and if you do, also get some arctic silver 3 paste. You can search around for good heatsinks but i hear that the Volcano 7+ is very good for the noise.


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November 18, 2002 11:40:35 AM

I would also like to recommend the nForce2 mobo, ASUS A7N8X. But with 2 of those Crucial PC2100 modules if they are substantially cheaper than PC2700.

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November 18, 2002 12:36:37 PM

You could use somme bullet points or something and then post the link if ppl wanted more specifications. Personally I was all mixed up and didn't read almost anything of your new PC parts so I can't state my opinion

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November 18, 2002 1:51:43 PM

If you are getting the 9700 Pro I would get atleast a 400W powersupply. that is if you want to be able to use the video card while using a harddrive.

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November 18, 2002 1:58:20 PM

I agree with everything above. A more powerful power supply, the nForce2 chipset, and faster memory are what I would recommend. The Via KT400 chipset would still be fine, the nForce2 is just faster and has been argued to be more stable... time will only tell about the latter because they are both fairly new and neither is unstable.

I would also add that when looking for memory, make sure it is CAS 2 and not 2.5 because there is a significant increase in performance without that much increase in price.
November 18, 2002 8:01:35 PM

the thing is... i only have /350/ dollars to spend. nothing more. thanks for the help though. i'll see if i can get a bigger PSU, but for the ram, i'll have to stick with 256mb. what about fan cases? and is the mobo i picked out ok? it looked nice, and was resonable price. agp 8x, sound, and lan too. and what about installing/formatting my drive with windows? is the process difficult? is the piecing together of the componets easy for the building of the pc? thanks guys
November 18, 2002 8:54:26 PM

This is for anyone.

Can the memory on nForce2 boards be set to 133 Mhz with FSB at 200 Mhz (3:2)?

Athlon can't really use the extra bandwidth of Dual DDR but it would be nice to be able to overclock with cheap memory.

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November 18, 2002 9:45:23 PM

You might consider editing your first post in order to fix the formatting.

John A
November 19, 2002 4:09:14 AM

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November 19, 2002 3:28:32 PM

Why do you say, "Athlon can't really use the extra bandwidth of Dual DDR ..."? Do you mean there is no benefit?
November 19, 2002 4:17:02 PM

Athlons have a DDR front side bus. At 133 Mhz (266 DDR) the bandwidth is 2.1 GB/sec. Single channel DDR memory (PC2100) exactly matches this at 2.1 GB/sec bandwidth. When you go to to dual channel you theoretically double the memory bandwidth to 4.2 GB/sec. However, the Athlon's front side bus is still limited to only 2.1 GB/sec. The bus becomes a bottleneck.

Now overclock the FSB to 200 Mhz and the bandwidth goes up to 3.2 GB/sec. If nForce2 can run memory at two thirds speed then dual channel would still have 4.2 GB/sec of bandwith which is still more than enough. You can overclock the bus with cheaper PC2100 memory (in theory) without any realworld loss in performance vs faster memory.

<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
November 19, 2002 5:40:17 PM

So the 2700+ and 2800+ with a FSB 166 (333 DDR) are able to avail themselves of 2.7 GB/sec. A little more of the theoretical 4.2 GB/sec?

That also explains why there isn't much difference in the performance of the nForce2 boards in single vs. dual channel DDR, all else equal. <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q4/021111/inde..." target="_new"> Power To The Athlon! nForce2 Chipset Motherboards </A>.

Does that also mean the Athlon FSB will be the limiting factor until the Athlon FSB reaches 266 (533 DDR)?

So, if I am building a system with nForce2 board, I don't see much of any reason to get 2 sticks of 256 MB RAM. One stick of 512 MB will be practically the same.
November 19, 2002 7:19:07 PM

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So the 2700+ and 2800+ with a FSB 166 (333 DDR) are able to avail themselves of 2.7 GB/sec. A little more of the theoretical 4.2 GB/sec?

If memory is running synchronously then dual channel bandwidth is again twice that of FSB. In this case, FSB would have 2.66 GB/sec and memory would have 5.33 GB/sec (in theory). Same problem.
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So, if I am building a system with nForce2 board, I don't see much of any reason to get 2 sticks of 256 MB RAM. One stick of 512 MB will be practically the same.

You got it. Unless you are using the integrated video the extra memory bandwidth of two DIMMs is mostly overkill.



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November 20, 2002 2:07:59 PM

As for installing the OS:
You would be better off storing everything that you want to keep from your HDD and reformatting it, and starting from fresh.
If you do this all you need to do a fresh install is a win98 CD and a boot floppy which you can make now by doing this in Win98 : – Control Panel > Add/remove programs > startup disk > create disk. Make sure you have drivers for all your peripherals.


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