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November 23, 2002 6:29:33 AM

HI,

I just bought an AMD athlon 2700+, and an asus a7n8x mb. I hooked everything up and after getting windows installed, i clicked on MyComputer and the system info said I had an AMD athlon 1500+ running at 1.3 ghz..

Did I get hosed?

I downloaded HotCPU tester and it identified the CPU as an AMD 1500+ also.

Any ideas?.. i am new at this so be kind.
November 23, 2002 7:34:30 AM

2.17 Ghz [2700+] compared to 1.33 Ghz [1500+]? That bites. Is it because the FSB is at 133 x 10 = 1330 Mhz? I have no great confidence in this (you might have already checked yourself for all I know) but it might just be the setting of the FSB. The experts will know.

http://usa.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7n8x/specification.htm

Nice specs on the mobo too. I hope for your sake it is just a problem with the settings.
November 23, 2002 8:47:19 AM

dude you didn't get hosed, you need to set the FSB to 166Mhz, and because you bought a good new motherboard, this will not be a problem. This can be done in the BIOS....just look for "FSB", or "clock frequency", and set to 166.

your CPU multiplyer is x13

so when you run your computer with FSB 100 you get 1.3Ghz

SO YOU MUST CHANGE THE FSB to 166 Mhz, then you'll be running at 2700+

let us know if this helps :) 

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by FiL on 11/23/02 10:51 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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November 23, 2002 10:15:31 AM

Your XP 2700+ should be running at about 2.17GHz (166MHz FSB x 13 multiplier). Which means it is erroneously set to 1.333GHz (100MHz FSB x 13 multiplier). Get into the BIOS by holding down the delete key upon system startup. While in the Bios, select Advanced chipset features:

- Set "CPU Interface" to aggressive
- Set "Memory Frenquency" to 166 (assuming you have at least DDR333 SDRAM memory)
- Set "CPU External Freq. (MHz)" to 166MHz
- Set "SDRAM CAS Latency" to 2
- Set "SDRAM Active Precharge delay" to 5
- Set "SDRAM RAS to CAS Delay" to 2
- Set "SDRAM RAS Precharge Delay" to 2
- Set "CPU Vcore Setting" to Manual
- Set "CPU Vcore" to 1.75V
- Set "Graphics Aperture Size" to 128MB
- Set "AGP Frequency" to 66MHz

Press the "Esc" key. Then, Save and exit the BIOS. Report back to this forum with your experiences if it's not too much trouble. And if you have windows XP, and have not already done so, install <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/pro/downloads/servic..." target="_new">Service Pack 1</A>.

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November 23, 2002 10:22:49 AM

No, you've been had. But if you send me your chip, Ill send you a nice 1800+ which runs at 1.533 which is a bit faster... :) 

I'm only messing, you need to change the cpu clock frequency to 166 in the bios as per above.
What type of memory have you got? I hope PC2700 or faster?


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November 23, 2002 11:57:22 AM

ok.

i knew i was doing something stupid. (and it was late and i was into my 6th beer.. only because one of the howto's i read said you must drink 6 of your favorite beverage while building your first pc from scratch and that is way more then the one or 2 i have on the way home from work (ask my wife))

the only eason i was worried is because i had some problems with the place i bought the components from and i was sure that this just added to the heap..

thanks again everyone :) 

for ms ( i did get 3 512 mb, corsair pc2700 w/ the plat heat spreaders)
November 23, 2002 1:19:12 PM

I must admit I am impressed that the XP2700+ really is out!
Although I'd like a combo nForce 2 with a good price to prove me this is a worthy processor with price/performance over an Intel ATM.

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November 23, 2002 8:57:26 PM

Quote:
...and that is way more then the one or 2 i have on the way home from work...

I hope you're not driving...

Let us know how the 2700+ works out :) 

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November 25, 2002 7:34:24 AM

I think on that motherboard you would benefit from using 2 modules of RAM, so you can run it in dual channel configuration. You've got 3 you say..? That is a lot. Why so much?

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November 25, 2002 12:39:26 PM

no drinking and driving for me :) 

I bought 3 modules due to ignorance. (newbie see 3 slots, newbie buy three sticks). since i am having trouble getting everything working. (see other thread) i used one of the modules to upgrade another computer.
November 25, 2002 4:06:46 PM

It's good to see people taking the plunge and building their own system. Good choice of parts too. Nice one bruvva.

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November 25, 2002 5:39:02 PM

Eden, where have you been hiding? <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=proper..." target="_new">Newegg</A> has had the 2800+ in for over a week now, and in stock. The only cavet is that you <i>must</i> purchase a new motherboard that is on the approved list (which I think are any KT400 and NF2 boards). And it also costs $410 for the OEM, plus the MB cost. But they are out. I'm sure more and more places have the 2800+ out. We just won't see retail versions for another 4 weeks probably.

-SammyBoy

Some day, THG-willing, I shall obtain the coveted "Old Hand" title.
November 26, 2002 1:52:37 AM

While this is hard proof, I feel like I'll only believe this if someone buys one and takes a pic. It just seems so unlikely that the January-prone to release chip is out now.
But it seems to be, which is rather weird.

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*You can do anything you set your mind to man. -Eminem
November 26, 2002 3:48:00 AM

I think what it means is that Newegg is a "Tier One" reseller for AMD and when AMD ended up with CPUs that OEMs didn't want, they gave Newegg first dibs. They aren't listed on pricewatch, and I only found them because I was looking at prices for other mid and top range AMD and Intel procs. If in fact Newegg got them from AMD, they are only selling them for $13 above list price... or some OEMs sold Newegg their surplus chips. I still don't think we'll see retail models of the 2800+ until after Christmas.

-SammyBoy

Some day, THG-willing, I shall obtain the coveted "Old Hand" title.
December 21, 2002 7:01:04 PM

My friend just had same thing happen........order xp 2100+ 266mhz and cpwin and sisoft I.D.'s it as 1500+ 1.33mhz 200fsb Palimino...friends was supposed to be AMD Athlon XP 2100+ 1.73ghz 266mhz wit new quanti speed.........markings on cpu ID's it with two IDs (one AX2100DMTC3 and underneath AGOIA0217WPDW)...friend is looking to return it (especially since they paid higher for the one orderd).......jdc, if you still check in can you let me know if you returned yours.......anyone else with info please respond.......thank you
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December 21, 2002 8:24:59 PM

Your friend is an idiot and is costing all of us money. His CPU is supposed to run at 13x133.3MHz (1733MHz), but he has his bus speed set at 100MHz instead of 133MHz. If he sends it back he's adding to the cost we all pay for companies to deal with these bad customers. AMD was too stupid to place bus speed detection pins on their CPU, so all boards default to 100MHz bus speed unless you MANUALLY change it to 133 in BIOS or by a jumper on the board.

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December 21, 2002 8:36:47 PM

no, you are wrong, there is nothing wrong with your chip
for the 2100+ your FSB needs to be 133... you are running it at 100, 100x13 = 1.3 Ghz, you need to up your FSB to 133, 133x13 = 1.73 Ghz

seems like this is mentioned a lot...
again, there is nothing wrong with your chip

also, if the power goes out, or your bios gets reset, you may need to change this again

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December 21, 2002 8:43:13 PM

i am not sure this has anything to do with AMD's "stupidity" more that someone didn't read the manual, OEM boards all have DIP switches for the FSB so that computers come set-up without hassles... and n00B customers don't have this "problem",

i feel that anyone installing a processor themselves should know at least how to read, or otherwise have been taught how to install (including setup) one correctly,

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December 21, 2002 8:58:00 PM

You can put together a PIII or P4 system without reading a thing or changing any BIOS/Dip/Jumper settings, unless you have a board made for overclocking which ignores the FS pins. This is a great deal for OEM's as they simply slap them together and don't configure a thing.

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December 21, 2002 9:10:31 PM

excellent......thank you crashman and tnadrev........I just got an rma...but really wanted this info instead........I am the buider and idiot (I know how to clock but when saw cpwin and sisoft id info [below], I didn't want to overclock it)...and I have not yet shipped...and yes I am certainly pissed at the return shipping fee and do not want to send it back if I am in err (or even if they were in err)...I am up to my A** in puter parts for friends and didn't need another delay...this makes me so happy...I just couldn't believe what i saw with sisoft and cpwin (the 1500+/200 palamino)can this be?...I am back to the drawing board...and I could kiss you both (it's o.k... I am a dudette).......Merry Xmax
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December 21, 2002 9:38:07 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to insult you directly (I normally reserve direct insults for the truely stupid).

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December 21, 2002 10:32:41 PM

No I failed to put in LOL after saying I am the idiot. I was not upset, but overly happy that someone had replied. (also,if you saw the mess I am in here you would understand...total disarray)...may I ask another question? I reinstalled and clocked it up to 1700 but multiplier only allowed 12.5 and I put fsb at 135 or 136..not sure at moment..now when I run 3dmark it (conmputer) restarts after about 30sec. to 1 min into benchmark...I put core at 1.75 and my atx psu is 400watt generic...and cpu temp is around 40c-43-c...never had this trouble with video card before...thanx again and thanx for being concerned.
December 22, 2002 12:00:58 AM

think I got it.......I don't know which, but I put clock mulitiplier at default, fsb at 133mhz and changed video off method form V/H sync+Blank to DPMS (am using shuttle ak35).......ran right through 3dmark...thanx again
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December 22, 2002 1:55:43 AM

That sounds like a heat problem. Do you have a piece of software (should be included on the board CD) that monitors temperature? I've also seen the problem caused by video card heat and overly aggressive memory timing.

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December 22, 2002 1:58:58 AM

Sounds good, glad I could help.

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December 22, 2002 4:32:20 AM

No problem still there...made it through 3dmark fine...but crashed in heavy shooter...after about 10 to 15 min of play...I was thinking graphic heat also...graphics card is really clocking faster on new setup 10426 at last mark (this is a 128mb gf4 ti4200 not an OCer) maybe the xtra cpu speed, motherboard fsb and pc2700 is pushing it up to much (card does get little hotter with excessive play) not sure what to do here...underclock cpu? Yet I'd rather everything work stable and fast without too much abuse...and how can I address overly aggressive memory timing ...not to familiar with this if it concerns ddr. Thank You for brainstorming.
P.S. Board at last check was around, I believe, 37c and cpu holding steady at 43c........really beginning to look like card (hope not...cut and paste makes me nervous)
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December 22, 2002 3:36:45 PM

The first thing to look for when you believe the card is overheating is the position of other cards-you see, cards really can't get much air circulation if another card is in the next slot below them. I call this PCI slot 1 (but I've seen manufacturers count from the top down or the bottom up). If that slot is empty and the card still overheats, then you probably have too much case heat (not likely, as your CPU temp is good).

On the other hand, if it's a memory problem you could try increasing the Cas Latency from 2 to 3.

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December 23, 2002 5:41:19 AM

I made sure to place pci cards in slots 5 and 6 (I have 6 pci's and one agp [agp being 1]). Did notice that my network card in slot 5 chose to share IRQ 11 with AGP card...bummer. I, after reading this post, went to check cas latency...I only have choices 2 & 2.5...it is currently set on 2.5 (memory chip default)...if I had set it higher...please,...what would that have done for me...I am not familiar with this? Also crashman, if it is a heat problem...I've read briefly that some folks change both heat sink and fan on their video card chip...is this a possibility? Are there negatives to doing this? ...or is this jumping the gun before trying other things. Thanx again...frew
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December 23, 2002 1:51:12 PM

Ok, Ok, a lot of boards share slots 1, 5, and AGP on 1 IRQ, anyway, the easiest way to tell if you've got a heat problem on the video card is to cut the power to the computer the instant it freezes and start feeling around to find out what's hot. Sometimes it's easy to replace the video cooler, other times it's not.

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December 23, 2002 2:25:52 PM

Will try this the minute it happens...am going to try some heavy game and see what happens...I really appreciate your taking the time to help with this...I know that you help a lot of the people here...and like them I am happy that you do. Will let you know.
December 25, 2002 8:45:47 PM

Sorry, I've been delayed in testing and troubleshooting this problem; do to holidays and and having to complete some systems for folks. Will give it a try asap.
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