AMD or Intel?

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I am thinking about buying a new pc now, and I can afford an Athlon XP 2800+ but since I want to overclock my new pc, is this the best choice? I am looking for the best speeds with extreme overclocking (watercooled).
 

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Check out the gazillion and one other posts about AMD vs Intel :smile:

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and then buy an Intel :D

but I like that there are some real good motherboards for AMD these days, I would buy another AMD setup right now if I would be on a budget.

with your water cooling I can't even say Intel box will run silent because no need for extra case fans galore to keep AMD's temperature decent.

guess you can start comparing overclocked setups and see which one would be the best for you. or you can start reading 5920 posts to buy one or the other.

or go with your gut

if still can't decide then read first line again. :D

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AMD is the best platform for opening Office docs (and makes a nice room heater too). Intel is for everything else.

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I would think opening office documentations would be HD-dependent.

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Oh, sory, my bad, then Intel would do it better too, coz they have better chipsets for IDE capability, so there is nothing left for AMD platform ;)

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Do little reading and see which one fits you the best.You can find lots of info here. Good luck.:)

If ya don't ask..How ya gonna know.
 

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Dont't listen to morons like blah. AXP 2800+ is better than P4 2.8 GHz. Use it with Asus A7N8X and Dual DDR333.

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Moron blah just have sold last AMD system from the house in order to "upgrade" to Intel, caz there is no more "best bang for the buck" advantage with AMD, and moron blah needs a REAL video additing system which will perform as it should without scratching moron blah's head on how to make that "best bang for the buck" system perform at least as same clocked moron blah's Plll laptop in encoding.

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actually, the problem is not only the overclocked processor speed: I can only afford up to an Athlon 2800+ (so the new 3.06GHz is not an option) and since I am going to overclock it, the nForce2 motherboard seems great because it looks I won't have problems with overclocked PCI and AGP, as I would in an Intel motherboard. Also, a room heater would be nice in this cold room...
 

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What are you going to be using this for anyways? I'm just curious.

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first of all, to replace my current pc, a P-II 400. Then, I want to install win .net and use the terminal services with my current pc. However, I also want to be able to play games, edit audio and video while someone is using the terminal services to work (office and internet) on the other pc.
 

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Have you ever considered a dual setup?

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I did consider that until I checked the motherboards... I want a system to last a few years, so agp 8x, firewire, usb 2.0 and >3 pci slots are essencial. also, there is the money problem...
 

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"...makes a nice room heater too..."

oh this is true! last month when i was renting a room across town with no heating, my faithful old Duron 1.3gig kept me warm thru those rough nights...
 

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Well if YOU get a 2800 within the next month or 2, wow, that's spectacular. Otherwise, ignore the "phantom chips" and get one that actually exists and is purchaseable NOW! What a concept...release a product that can be bought. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before? It's like going to a car dealership and actually driving home a model they describe. Woah...concept!

Actually, in all fairness, the future computer chip corporation IKDLSDKJKHCM Corp. has already made their 20.5 Ghz chip, and it beats both Intel and AMD. You can't get it for 10 years, but that's ok, it's still the best chip, right? And for only $20, it's affordable for anyone!

If you are not a fan of sarcasm....well...i guess a disclaimer goes before the actual post...oh well. :)

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In both MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 video encoding, 333 FSB AXP's outperform 533 FSB P4's with PC1066 RDRAM. Lack of SSE2 can't make AXP slower than P4 in video encoding.

From AXP 2400+ and P4 2.4 GHz, price/performance ratio is still better for AXP's. The difference is not huge like midrange, low-end sectors but still better. You don't have to buy PC1066 RDRAM for best performance. And which one is more expensive, an i850E mobo or and nForce2 mobo? Can i850E mobos compete with nForce2 mobos in terms of features?

moron blah's head on how to make that "best bang for the buck" system perform at least as same clocked moron blah's Plll laptop in encoding.
Equip an Athlon T-bird with VIA KLE133 chipset and PC100 CL3 SDRAM. Also don't forget to use 3600 rpm HD with the Athlon T-bird. (Use 4200 or 4500 rpm HD, if you feel pity for the AMD rig). Then I guarantee, you will have slower video encoding in the AMD rig compared to equally clocked P3.

<b> The fact is, T-Bird's are faster in audio/video encoding compared to equally clocked P3's and without SSE2 without SSE, AXP's are faster than P4 (PR vs. MHz) in audio/video encoding without SSE2. </b>

moron blah needs a REAL video additing system
Yes, Intel CPU's are faster in video <i> additing </i>, but AMD cpus are faster in video <i> editing </i>. Nobody here needs a video <i> additing </i> system except you.

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From AXP 2400+ and P4 2.4 GHz, price/performance ratio is still better for AXP's.
Hehehehe, at least one persona pointed out that I am not the only one moron in the world. If you such a teacher can't see anything but kiddo paying misused words on the page, I would like to point you out on one thing: P4:2400MHZ == $199, AXP:2400+ == $209 these days (and I am not talking about nForce being pricier than PE mobo), So wheriz yer "still better" thing goes? As far as I can see you are misleading the crowd, caz yer passions with English blinds yer brain.

By the way, in case you did not know: laptops have 4200 RPM drives, so, yeah I feel pity for Athlon, caz it haz 7200 RPM drive (even drive has noting tudu with encoding (just in case you did not know that one as well)).

Have fun, teacher, heh.


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if your going to get a AMD chip, instead of getting a 2800, get the 2700 which is about 50-60 usd less. The performance gap is small... thats if you want to save money. I have a Athlon 2700+ and its great.
 

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If you such a teacher can't see anything but kiddo paying misused words on the page
I have tried to sound like you. Now you understand this is not good.

In many cases, P4 takes a small lead over Athlon. This lead will vanish if P4 use DDR memory. Athlon will look better in the benchmarks whrere they have small lead.

Asus i845PE mobo costs $10 more than Asus A7N8X. But for extra $10, you get lot more from a nForce board.

I know that Athlon XP 2400+ $10 more expensive than P4. But it makes P4 better price/performance processor if you can run it without mobo or ram.

My stiil better thing goes here- <b> To get max. performance from Athlon is cheaper than getting performance from P4 </b>

laptops have 4200 RPM drives
Fastest laptop drives are 5400 rpm.

even drive has noting tudu with encoding (just in case you did not know that one as well
My Duron 1 GHz w/ 7200 rpm HD vs. My friend's AXP 1700+ w/ 5400 rpm HD = not much difference. And my Duron 1 GHz HD + My friend's AXP 1800+ w/7200 rpm HD = huge difference.

I can find no diiference between 7200 rpm and 5400 rpm HD in audio encoding, not in video encoding.


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Well if YOU get a 2800 within the next month or 2, wow, that's spectacular. Otherwise, ignore the "phantom chips" and get one that actually exists and is purchaseable NOW!

AXP 2800+ is available now (since few days). You can find it in pricewatch and newegg.

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Get a Via C3 processor! :smile:

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""In many cases, P4 takes a small lead over Athlon""

at least you admit that.

""i845PE mobo costs $10 more than Asus A7N8X""

In my store P7PE == $127.90, A7N8x == $149.90.

""Fastest laptop drives are 5400 rpm""

I was talking about my case, in which my laptop has 4200RPM drive (still pity for Athlon with 7200RPM and on KT7A mobo.) P3 1GHZ 256MB Laptop even copied DVD faster than Athlon 1GHZ 512MB desktop (now Intel IDE drivers come in place ;)

Or you wanna argue with what I see with my own eyes as well?


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Interesting. Nothing on pricewatch (unless i'm missing it, link me please), but it is on newegg. Newegg is only offering the chip with a particular mobo (don't want the mobo, shop elsewhere apparently). I guess Newegg falls into that category which AMD said "Will start shipping to certain OEMs in late november, everyone else in January".

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Athlons and Pentiums are just melted rock. Who’s rock is better? Who cares, let’s play some games

AMEN TO THAT!

As for what procesor's run better or faster. Why not check out this THG article:

<A HREF="http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q4/021001/xp_2800-13.html" target="_new">http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q4/021001/xp_2800-13.html</A>