also consider the built by ATI RadeonLE. in my local Ca. store a Gigabyte Maya Radeon 9000 costs $130.00 USD and the 8500LE clocked at 250/275 3.3ns is $79.00 USD. any review of the two head to head will show you that the 8500LE was way more expensive to make(transistor count) and doesnt have one of it's Pixel Pipelines removed(to save money)...And the better performer was the 8500LE...though not by a whole lot. I have owned both cards and got 900 3D marks higher with the 8500LE....not that 3D mark is the definitive test of cards
Craig M