I have three options for vid cards. I can't find anything on the GeForce 4 Ti 4800SE8X so any nfo or reviews on it that you could point me to would be great. I can save some cash going for one card or the other so base your opinions on that as well, thx.
<font color=blue>GeForce 4 Ti 4800SE8X - save $ 100 US
GAINWARD/CARDEXPERT GeForce 4 Ti 4800SE8X AGP, 3.6ns, Golden sample 128MB DDR.
1 DVI port + 1 CRT port + Video in and Video Out (VIVO) port + nVIEW (two CRT display) + 1 DVI to CRT adapter + 1 multiple cable + 1 CD driver + 1 manual, overclocking enhanced performance mode.
(Dual display), VG4UL7508X. OEM. Package content: 1 Gainward GeForce 4 Ti 4800 SE 128mb DDR graphic card + 1 DVI to CRT adapter + 1 multiple-port cable + 1 CD driver + 1 manual.
<font color=red>NOTE: Does this support DX 9?</font color=red>
ATI R 9700 Pro - save ($0 this is the base)
Sapphire ATI RADEON 9700 Atlantis PRO 128MB DDR,325/310, DVI/TV-out/CRT AGP BULK
Chipset:RADEON 9700Pro Visual processing unit (VPU)
Memory:128MB DDR, 256-bit memory
Eight parallel rendering pipelines
Four parallel geometry engines
Bus: AGP 8X support
Ports: VGA + DVI + S-Video Out
OS Support: Windows 98SE, Windows Me, Windows 2000, Windows XP
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ATI R 9500 Pro - save $133 US
SAPPHIRE ATI OEM RADEON 9500 PRO 128MB DDR DVI BULK
Chipset:ATI RADEON 9500 PRO
128-bit floating-point color precision allows for a greater range of colors and brightness
Memory Bandwidth: 2GB/Sec
Directx 9.0 Supported
Supports Modes SmartShader2.0 SmoothVision2.0 Truform 2.0 and much more
Ports:VGA + DVI + Svideo Out (s-video cable included)
OEM Bulk Kit.
<font color=red> NOTE: Can you overclock this to Radeon 9700 Pro performance? Pls see Video Card topic:
</font color=red></font color=blue> Radeon 9500 Pro overclock to Radeon 9700 Pro?
Any opinions would be great, I would like to run with all visual options and filtering options on-Anisotropic, Anti-Aliasing(FSAA) etc-at highest settings, as some cards can outperform each other with certain options off though turning them on produces different comparisons, you guys know what I mean.
If you want to save money, buy the 9500 Pro. If you want maximum performance, go for the 9700Pro. Avoid the Ti
Both cards support DX9 (unlike the Ti), have better image quality and even the 9500Pro probably beats the Ti where it really counts (new, more demanding, games).
Although you can overclock the 9500Pro, it won't reach the same performance as the 9700Pro, due to the 128bit Memory bus (similar to the Ti).
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the difference between the TI4600 and Ti4800 is non-existant. it has already been proven that 8X Agp has no benifits over 4x agp *yet*. the Ti4800 is a horrible waste of money
the 9500pro is freakin fast, especially where it counts. the effects engine is 2x as fast as the GF4 series.
and no, you cant overclock the R9500pro to 9700pro speeds because of the memory bus only being 128bit. but still, if you own any card less than a GF4, you will be amazed at the power of the 9500pro. its truly something else, and the price is excellent
oh yeah that's true about the 128bit bus
what some people have done (with about a 75% success rating) is modded the 9500 (256bit bus) to 9700 standards by opening up the other 4..pixel pipelines? i forget
it's a simple mod to do though, either by hardware or software
then once you do that mod, you flash the card bios with an overclockable bios and take yourself into 9700pro territory
again, a 75% success rating from what i've seen
if you're not interested in all of the modding though, follow the other stuff that has been suggested so far
first off, the 9500pro has all 8 pipelines to begin with. the ONLY, i repeat only difference is the 128bit memory bus. people claim to have soldered it to open the full 256bits, and this is probably true, but i HIGHLY doubt the average ~THG Forum Joe~ could do it. you would have to have the equipment also, and know the layout of the board..
some people have claimed to enable the 256 memory bus onthe 9500pro thru software, but this is horseshat. you cant enable wires that arent connected.
the thing you heard about with enabling the 4 extra pipelines is with the 9500*non-pro*. it only has 4 working pipelines, half of the 9500pro or 9700. again people have claimed to have success enabling this thru software, but i do not know. this is probably more true than the memory bus bullshiit
the reason the Ti4600 mainly scores slightly higher than the 9500pro (which supports DX9 as i have said before) in THG reviews is because most of the benchmarks are DirectX7 and 8 games. and the benches and games they use are dependant on fill-rate mostly, not DirectX effects.....
so, if you wanna play old games like Quake3, the it wont matter what one you chose.
but, if you wanna play new games like CnC Generals, or Doom3 (especially this, which will depend on pixel shader effects alott) then the 9500pro is the one to chose. wanna upgrade soon? chose the Ti4600
if you don't like having to pray for drivers to work, get an nVidia card. If you are looking for a cheaper card (and sometimes CHEAP card), get an ATI. You got a 50/50 chance that the drives will work with the card you get. Good luck.
if you don't like having to pray for drivers to work,
This statement is no longer true about ATI drivers anymore so than Nvidia. Sure there is still the ocassional glitch, but it's not like the Detonator drivers aren't without issues.
The drivers were a big factor before (handicapped the 8500 vs a Gf3) however people still trading on that to defend their choice obviously haven't checked recent releases and reviews of the two. Both ATI and NVIDIA have it pretty much covered. Hey, Nvidia's initial poor performance of the FX was due to poor drivers, only the awesome pressure of the entire community watching this Benchmark caused swift reaction to the issue.
Heck if a new card doesn't hang on somethig, they aren't trying hard enough.
Now if I can only get good DX9 compatible drivers for my NeoMagic chip. WooHoo!
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