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aponly wrote:
> Well, I'm kind of limited in my usenet use because I'm posting with
> very limited computer access from southern Iraq. Google is the
> easiest way to access since no programs can be installed and Google is
> not blocked.
That's fine. Just keep in mind that not everyone sees the whole thread
like you do at Google.
> There were no quotes required as I had restated the original question.
> "The original note was in reference to giving a CLW potion to an
> unconscious creature with SR. "
That isn't enough context for somebody coming into the thread late or
receiving articles out of order (which is quite common).
>> I know what the rules say, and you've gotten them wrong. In particular:
> You didn't say what rules I had gotten wrong? I used quotes around
> actual excerpts from the SRD.
I pointed it out in the very article you're applying to: The rules for
willing targets and the rules for spell resistance are different. To
ignore SR, mere willingness is not enough; the target must actively drop
the SR with a standard action.
However, there is one exception: SR never applies to spells you cast on
yourself. As Joseph pointed out, drinking a potion (or, presumably,
feeding one to someone else) is equivalent to casting a spell on
yourself. Therefore, SR never applies to potions.
You came up with the right conclusion, but for the wrong reason.
>> It doesn't matter whether the creature is willing; unless the effect
>> is self-targeted, SR still applies unless the creature has
>> /deliberately/ lowered it.
> So how can a creature that is unconscious deliberately lower his spell
> resistance?
It can't. Therefore, you still have a problem if you want to cast a cure
spell on an unconscious ally. However, you can reliably feed him a
potion.
> Normally, when a creature is unconscious it can't take a standard
> action to lower it's spell resistance. The rules say that unconscious
> creatures are always willing.
That doesn't matter. Mere willingness is not sufficient to ignore SR.
> Willing does not just refer to self-targeted as you suggest.
I suggested no such thing! You're mixing up two different concepts: A
willing target automatically forgoes his saving throw, not his spell
resistance. You only ignore spell resistance when (1) casting a spell on
yourself or (2) when the target uses a standard action to lower his
resistance for one round. The names are similar, but they're two
different things. Willingness eliminates the saving throw, not the SR.
> I'm trying to use some logic in my decision.
Your conclusion is logical for /saving throws/ but not for /spell
resistance./
> If what you are saying is true and if you are trying to help an
> unconscious creature that has high spell resistance (that you cannot
> overcome), then that creature is SOL because you can't heal him ....
Not with spells. You can feed him a potion, though.
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Bradd W. Szonye
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