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Anonymous
February 1, 2005 10:54:10 AM

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Ossian
Ally, 3 Pool

Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.

Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action. In
the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round for
each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
destruction that round.


WHOA! Pretty bad-ass if you ask me.

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Anonymous
February 1, 2005 11:11:46 AM

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jnewqu...@difsol.com wrote:
> Ossian
> Ally, 3 Pool
>
> Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
>
> Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action.
In
> the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
> requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round
for
> each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> destruction that round.
>
> WHOA! Pretty bad-ass if you ask me.

A nice company for a War Ghoul or Shambling Hordes deck IMO. Play it if
your prey has a bad-ass Gun deck but watch out for the press...
..- Luis Duarte
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 11:14:33 AM

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jnewqu...@difsol.com wrote:
> Ossian
> Ally, 3 Pool
>
> Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
>
> Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action.
In
> the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
> requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round
for
> each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> destruction that round.
>
> WHOA! Pretty bad-ass if you ask me.

Yup, that's a dangerous ally. Watch out for his Traps, which will take
down many vampires that can't deal out more than 2 damage a round or
prevent 2 damage a round. Obedience won't stop him. S:CE will slow him
down, but he'll rush you again next turn. Recruit him on your first
turn with Jake Washington and watch the table groan.

OTOH, Ossian's a soft target for a Trophy deck. No fiddling with
diaberie necessary: if you can smack him for four, a Trophy is yours.
It doesn't take much combat to trump his: guns, prevention, big
strikes, Carrion Crows, whatever. Other combat allies like Warghouls,
Muddles and Shambling Hordes can take him down.

Weird card interaction: Ossian is the ally you don't want to hit with
Crocodile's Tongue.
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 11:31:18 AM

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> Yup, that's a dangerous ally. Watch out for his Traps, which will
take
> down many vampires that can't deal out more than 2 damage a round or
> prevent 2 damage a round. Obedience won't stop him. S:CE will slow
him
> down, but he'll rush you again next turn. Recruit him on your first
> turn with Jake Washington and watch the table groan.
>
> OTOH, Ossian's a soft target for a Trophy deck. No fiddling with
> diaberie necessary: if you can smack him for four, a Trophy is yours.
> It doesn't take much combat to trump his: guns, prevention, big
> strikes, Carrion Crows, whatever. Other combat allies like Warghouls,
> Muddles and Shambling Hordes can take him down.

Picking the right soft targets early (with Memories of Mortality/Trap),
he can get to a pretty high life total pretty fast. One more card for
the all-ally storyline deck ;) .

> Weird card interaction: Ossian is the ally you don't want to hit with
> Crocodile's Tongue.

Well, not without planning for it, right. Tzimisce with Crows might not
care that much. Or Tremere packing Weather Control. Or !Ventrue with
prevention. Or someone with a Ghoul Retainer and a gun.

John
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:03:43 PM

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A big stink bag of a waste of 3 pool, I think.

He punches for two, so is likely to gain a net of one life, should you
not prevent his damage, dodge it+additional strike, or ranged combat
his ass. These are all pretty standard tricks for combat decks, so I
see he'll only be good at taking down people unprepared for combat, and
then taking on those who are prepared after he bulks up his life total.

But then again, with his Redlist trait, he makes a fine target for
combat decks to take down before he can get too nasty. Afraid he's
going to gain some life off of people and be too unstoppable later?
Rush it and take it down a few life, or kill it all together!

I'd like Ossian with a 44 magnum or something though. Can you imagine
how hot going to long and shooting for X (and gaining X life) can be
for this guy after a while? :) 
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:11:07 PM

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<jnewquist@difsol.com> wrote in message news:1107273250.303405.273980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Ossian
> Ally, 3 Pool
>
> Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
>
> Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action. In
> the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
> requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round for
> each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> destruction that round.
>
>
> WHOA! Pretty bad-ass if you ask me.

WHOA! Overpriced at 3 pool if you ask me.

Fred
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:22:51 PM

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Screaming Vermillian wrote:
> A big stink bag of a waste of 3 pool, I think.
>
> He punches for two, so is likely to gain a net of one life, should
you
> not prevent his damage, dodge it+additional strike, or ranged combat
> his ass. These are all pretty standard tricks for combat decks, so I
> see he'll only be good at taking down people unprepared for combat,
and
> then taking on those who are prepared after he bulks up his life
total.

Nobody who'd use him will do so in a vacuum (at least not more than
once). Play him with good support, and he is far more likely to become
good.

> But then again, with his Redlist trait, he makes a fine target for
> combat decks to take down before he can get too nasty. Afraid he's
> going to gain some life off of people and be too unstoppable later?
> Rush it and take it down a few life, or kill it all together!
>
> I'd like Ossian with a 44 magnum or something though. Can you imagine
> how hot going to long and shooting for X (and gaining X life) can be
> for this guy after a while? :) 

Conceal it (or a few Berettas) out in a trap. Better yet, Conceal out
the Crimson Sentinel. Heh.

John
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:25:07 PM

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use abomination, compel the spirit, and you get two wolves
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:36:20 PM

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If only it could be concealed...

jnewqu...@difsol.com wrote:
> Conceal it (or a few Berettas) out in a trap. Better yet, Conceal out
> the Crimson Sentinel. Heh.
>
> John
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:41:11 PM

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He would be neat (if very expensive, given how vulnerable he is) with a
Ghoul Retainer.


Regards,

Patrick
Columbus, OH
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:42:38 PM

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Yes, but he makes a fine combo with Uriah Winter. Got to provide your
own target, but once he's worked up some sweat he becomes pretty
decent.


Regards,

Patrick
Columbus, OH
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:53:12 PM

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Screaming Vermillian wrote:
> A big stink bag of a waste of 3 pool, I think.
>
> He punches for two, so is likely to gain a net of one life, should
you
> not prevent his damage, dodge it+additional strike, or ranged combat
> his ass. These are all pretty standard tricks for combat decks, so I
> see he'll only be good at taking down people unprepared for combat,
and
> then taking on those who are prepared after he bulks up his life
total.
>
> I'd like Ossian with a 44 magnum or something though. Can you imagine
> how hot going to long and shooting for X (and gaining X life) can be
> for this guy after a while? :) 

Yeah, equipment would help Ossian tons. Like guns, or a Bang Nakh, or a
Flak Jacket for rushing the non-combat guys to ignore their strike back
for 1...

-John Flournoy
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 2:17:47 PM

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Emmit Svenson wrote:
> Weird card interaction: Ossian is the ally you don't want to hit with
> Crocodile's Tongue.

Wierder card interaction: Fast Reaction. Let's just stand here and
stare at each other for the first round!

John
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 2:32:02 PM

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"Emmit Svenson" <emmitsvenson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> jnewqu...@difsol.com wrote:
> > Ossian
> > Ally, 3 Pool
> >
> > Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
> >
> > Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action.
> In
> > the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
> > requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> > maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round
> for
> > each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> > destruction that round.
> >
> > WHOA! Pretty bad-ass if you ask me.

> Weird card interaction: Ossian is the ally you don't want to hit with
> Crocodile's Tongue.

Do you mean because of the anti-Auspex ability? I'm not sure that would
apply to an action that the acting vampire played Crocodile's Tongue
on - it says "during this action" which appears to refer to Ossian's
enter-combat-action ability. LSJ?

Another rules question on that, while I'm here: If he takes his
enter-combat ability and the target plays Read Intentions in the first
round for a strike: dodge, does that strike: dodge work as normal? Or
does Ossian's "that vampire cannot use any maneuvers or strikes" ability
cause the vampire to become unable to "use" the strike: dodge, even
though he could play the card? Or is the vampire unable to play the
card on the first round at all, because he wouldn't be able to "use" the
dodge if he plays it, and you can't attempt something that you can't do?
The past tense on "has played a card" seems to indicate that Ossian's
ability doesn't kick in until the card has already been played, though,
in which case it wouldn't preemptively keep a card from being played?


Josh

it's not the time to ossify
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 3:26:35 PM

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Janne Hägglund wrote:
> "Screaming Vermillian" <vermillian69@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > He punches for two, so is likely to gain a net of one life,
>
> Yet another way of making Ossian fearsome: Harbringers recruit
him, play
> Martyr's Resilience. "It won't die!"

And if he does get killed, you pull him back out of the ash heap with
Nec.

John

> --
> hg@ "If you can't offend part of your audience,
> iki.fi there is no point in being an artist at all." -Hakim
Bey
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 4:49:43 PM

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"Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:369p84F4uo7g2U1@individual.net...
>
> "Emmit Svenson" <emmitsvenson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1107274473.168077.84360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > jnewqu...@difsol.com wrote:
> > > Ossian
> > > Ally, 3 Pool
> > >
> > > Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
> > >
> > > Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action.
> > In
> > > the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
> > > requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> > > maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round
> > for
> > > each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> > > destruction that round.
> > >
> > > WHOA! Pretty bad-ass if you ask me.
>
> > Weird card interaction: Ossian is the ally you don't want to hit with
> > Crocodile's Tongue.
>
> Do you mean because of the anti-Auspex ability? I'm not sure that would
> apply to an action that the acting vampire played Crocodile's Tongue
> on - it says "during this action" which appears to refer to Ossian's
> enter-combat-action ability. LSJ?

"This action" refers to the current action, whatever it may be.

Hit him with Croc Tongue and he must burn a life (two if superior) to
block and then, if successful and combat occurs (here's where you
want to play Change of Target :-), the acting vampire cannot maneuver
or strike on the first round.

> Another rules question on that, while I'm here: If he takes his
> enter-combat ability and the target plays Read Intentions in the first
> round for a strike: dodge, does that strike: dodge work as normal? Or

Yes.

--
LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 4:58:08 PM

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<jnewquist@difsol.com> wrote in message
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> Ossian
> Ally, 3 Pool
>
> Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
>
> Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action.
In
> the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
> requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round
for
> each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> destruction that round.
>
>
> WHOA! Pretty bad-ass if you ask me.
>

Hmm....

Weighted Walking Stick, Lucky Blow, and Pulled Fangs.....

Ossian gains 5 life, OUCH!

Add Mark of Damnation

Ossian gains 7 life with an optional press.

Add Form of Corruption

Hey look free vampire!

Hello Arika!
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr.
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 5:27:18 PM

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tzimisce_dragon wrote:
> <jnewquist@difsol.com> wrote in message
> news:1107275478.169127.33910@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Well, not without planning for it, right. Tzimisce with Crows might
not
> > care that much. Or Tremere packing Weather Control. Or !Ventrue
with
> > prevention. Or someone with a Ghoul Retainer and a gun.
> >
>
> Well, a Tremere playing Weather control against that ally would be a
really
> stupid one, as the damage Ossian would get from WC (funny acronym for
> Weather Control, don't you think ? :p ), would be recovered at the end
of the
> round due to his special, that gives him life equal to the blod lost
due to
> damage
> from the opposing vampire. Anyway, WC is a bad idea, BtoWater is a
good
> one...

Sorry, I meant to say "a couple of Weather Controls" (as in, enough to
kill him so he can't get life back). But yeah, right.

> Even though this ally can be brought down, he is good and can be a
real pain
> in the ass
> if he plays a trap to a Memories Mortalized vampire and torporize
him, while
> he gets out
> with +8 life...
Right, I think he's on the strong end of allies, overall.

> George
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 6:25:10 PM

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"LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> "Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > > Ossian
> > > > Ally, 3 Pool
> > > >
> > > > Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
> > > >
> > > > Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D)
action.
> > > In
> > > > the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card
that
> > > > requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> > > > maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each
round
> > > for
> > > > each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> > > > destruction that round.
> >
> > Do you mean because of the anti-Auspex ability? I'm not sure that
would
> > apply to an action that the acting vampire played Crocodile's Tongue
> > on - it says "during this action" which appears to refer to Ossian's
> > enter-combat-action ability. LSJ?
>
> "This action" refers to the current action, whatever it may be.

Oh, okay. The phrase "this action" makes it seem like it's referring
back to a previously mentioned action. I usually expect "the current
action" for "the current action". :-)

> > Another rules question on that, while I'm here: If he takes his
> > enter-combat ability and the target plays Read Intentions in the
first
> > round for a strike: dodge, does that strike: dodge work as normal?
Or
>
> Yes.

I like this answer fine. But doesn't "use" normally (as with Grenades)
include both the declaration of a strike and the resolution of a strike?
It seems like someone could make the argument that resolving the Dodge
is "using" the strike, and since the vampire has played a card requiring
Auspex during the current action, that vampire shouldn't be able to
"use" that strike.


Josh

ossianic
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 6:25:11 PM

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"Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> news:36a14sF4s15d1U1@individual.net...
>> "Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:369p84F4uo7g2U1@individual.net...
>
>> > > > Ossian
>> > > > Ally, 3 Pool
>> > > >
>> > > > Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red
>> > > > List.
>> > > >
>> > > > Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1
>> > > > stealth (D) action. In the first round of combat with
>> > > > a vampire who has played a card that requires Auspex
>> > > > during this action, that vampire cannot use any
>> > > > maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of
>> > > > each round for each blood the opposing vampire used to
>> > > > heal damage or prevent destruction that round.

>> "This action" refers to the current action, whatever it may
>> be.
>
> Oh, okay. The phrase "this action" makes it seem like it's
> referring back to a previously mentioned action.

Eh? It _does_ refer back to the previously mentioned action:
whatever action got him into a combat with a vampire who was
played a card that requires Auspect. (Well, anyway, I didn't
think twice about it. And I'm usually pretty adept at seeing
alternative meanings depending on how a sentence is construed.)

>> > If he takes his enter-combat ability and the target plays
>> > Read Intentions in the first round for a strike: dodge,
>> > does that strike: dodge work as normal?
>
>> Yes.
>
> I like this answer fine. But doesn't "use" normally (as with
> Grenades) include both the declaration of a strike and the
> resolution of a strike? It seems like someone could make the
> argument that resolving the Dodge is "using" the strike, and
> since the vampire has played a card requiring Auspex during
> the current action, that vampire shouldn't be able to "use"
> that strike.

Granted, I don't know a lot about the finer points of this
interpretation to know if your objection holds much water or
not. But if you were right, this reduces to: "A minion who
plays Read Intentions (against Ossian) may not strike with Read
Intentions."

My one-word response: "Ugh!". :-P

Fred
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 6:59:43 PM

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"Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:36a6t7F4v2kv7U1@individual.net...
> "LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> > "Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > Another rules question on that, while I'm here: If he takes his
> > > enter-combat ability and the target plays Read Intentions in the
> first
> > > round for a strike: dodge, does that strike: dodge work as normal?
> Or
> >
> > Yes.
>
> I like this answer fine. But doesn't "use" normally (as with Grenades)
> include both the declaration of a strike and the resolution of a strike?
> It seems like someone could make the argument that resolving the Dodge
> is "using" the strike, and since the vampire has played a card requiring
> Auspex during the current action, that vampire shouldn't be able to
> "use" that strike.


Perhaps something like:
He played it, so he's using it. The use will conclude when the
strike resolves.

--
LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 7:06:22 PM

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"LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> "Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:36a6t7F4v2kv7U1@individual.net...
> > "LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> > > "Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > Another rules question on that, while I'm here: If he takes his
> > > > enter-combat ability and the target plays Read Intentions in the
> > first
> > > > round for a strike: dodge, does that strike: dodge work as
normal?
> > Or
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > I like this answer fine. But doesn't "use" normally (as with
Grenades)
> > include both the declaration of a strike and the resolution of a
strike?
> > It seems like someone could make the argument that resolving the
Dodge
> > is "using" the strike, and since the vampire has played a card
requiring
> > Auspex during the current action, that vampire shouldn't be able to
> > "use" that strike.
>
>
> Perhaps something like:
> He played it, so he's using it. The use will conclude when the
> strike resolves.

So, since he's already declared the strike, Ossian's ability won't
intervene and make him retroactively stop using it? Sounds good.


Josh

will try not to sing out of key
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 7:18:13 PM

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On 1 Feb 2005 09:22:51 -0800, jnewquist@difsol.com wrote:

>
>Screaming Vermillian wrote:
>> I'd like Ossian with a 44 magnum or something though. Can you imagine
>> how hot going to long and shooting for X (and gaining X life) can be
>> for this guy after a while? :) 
>
>Conceal it (or a few Berettas) out in a trap. Better yet, Conceal out
>the Crimson Sentinel. Heh.

Play Tremere.
Magic of the Smith some jackets.
Use Nod to transfer it to Ossian.
Magic of the Smith some ranged weapons if you fear you'll face ranged
combat.
Transfer it to Ossian.
The finishing touch: Magic of the Smith the Sword of Nuln :) 

It is not that big of a setup since Magic of the Smith is a must in
any Tremere rush deck who uses equipment. Just add in some extra Nods
- they're trifle anyway - and a few Ossians. No big deal...

best,

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil
--------------------------------------
Now a "luminary", whatever it means:
http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 8:07:17 PM

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jnewquist@difsol.com wrote:
> Ossian
> Ally, 3 Pool
>
> Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
>
> Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action.
In
> the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
> requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round
for
> each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> destruction that round.

Hmm I can see a fun combo here.
A Tremere vampire pulls out a Sword of Nuln, and Ossian takes it from
him ("hey shiny sword, thanks buddy, I'll bring it back after I've
chopped a few heads").
Ossian rushes someone (probably any vampire with a fair bit of blood
and no fortitude), whacks them with the sword via a lucky blow for 3
damage; they have to burn 6 blood to heal/prevent destruction. And if
they do, he gets all 6, and goes to 10 life :) 

if you want to get really silly, next turn minion tap the tremere, Rave
the blood to him, then the turn after do it all again.
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 8:07:36 PM

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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:49:43 -0500, "LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com>
wrote:

>"Joshua Duffin" <jtduffin@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:369p84F4uo7g2U1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Emmit Svenson" <emmitsvenson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > Weird card interaction: Ossian is the ally you don't want to hit with
>> > Crocodile's Tongue.
>>
>> Do you mean because of the anti-Auspex ability? I'm not sure that would
>> apply to an action that the acting vampire played Crocodile's Tongue
>> on - it says "during this action" which appears to refer to Ossian's
>> enter-combat-action ability. LSJ?
>
>"This action" refers to the current action, whatever it may be.
>
>Hit him with Croc Tongue and he must burn a life (two if superior) to
>block and then, if successful and combat occurs (here's where you
>want to play Change of Target :-), the acting vampire cannot maneuver
>or strike on the first round.

Two more possible scenarios.
(Of course no one would want to play aura reading in combat with him,
I guess... at least in most circunstances)

Vamp A rushes Ossian with Nose of the Hound.
He doesn't have the maneuvers for the first round and does not strike.
Pretty simple, right?

>> Another rules question on that, while I'm here: If he takes his
>> enter-combat ability and the target plays Read Intentions in the first
>> round for a strike: dodge, does that strike: dodge work as normal? Or
>
>Yes.

And this one?

Vamp A is a Tzimisce and is blocked by Ossian.
It plays Carrion Crows and choses to strike with Canine Horde. It
won't kill Ossian. He draws a Primal Instinct and a Scorpion Sting.
Ossian declares hands for 2.
If he uses Primal Instinct to change his current strike, he loses his
capacity to strike from now on - because Primal just allows him to
play another strike a little later, and now it's too late - or can he
play the Sting because it resolves at the same time the Canine Horde
would resolve?

best,

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil
--------------------------------------
Now a "luminary", whatever it means:
http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 8:07:37 PM

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"Fabio "Sooner" Macedo" <fabio@cohesp.com.br> wrote in message news:2ckvv0prlisscbsi9gof4s79a0tg12n1gj@4ax.com...
> Vamp A rushes Ossian with Nose of the Hound.
> He doesn't have the maneuvers for the first round and does not strike.
> Pretty simple, right?

Right.

> If he uses Primal Instinct to change his current strike, he loses his
> capacity to strike from now on - because Primal just allows him to
> play another strike a little later, and now it's too late

Sure.

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Anonymous
February 1, 2005 9:35:44 PM

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jnewquist@difsol.com wrote:
| Ossian
| Ally, 3 Pool
|
| Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
|
| Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action. In
| the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
| requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
| maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round for
| each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
| destruction that round.

One word: Rave.

- --
Derek

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Anonymous
February 1, 2005 11:08:31 PM

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John Flournoy wrote:

>
> Yeah, equipment would help Ossian tons. Like guns, or a Bang Nakh, or a
> Flak Jacket for rushing the non-combat guys to ignore their strike back
> for 1...
>
> -John Flournoy
>

memories of mortality +trap,and you have an ally that can gain a lot of
life. yummee. he is pretty strong and not overpriced.


stefan
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 11:08:32 PM

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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:08:31 +0100, Stefan Ferenci
<nospam@thankyou.com> wrote:

>John Flournoy wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, equipment would help Ossian tons. Like guns, or a Bang Nakh, or a
>> Flak Jacket for rushing the non-combat guys to ignore their strike back
>> for 1...
>>
>> -John Flournoy
>>
>memories of mortality +trap,and you have an ally that can gain a lot of
>life. yummee. he is pretty strong and not overpriced.
>stefan

I guess that Ossian must compared to another allies in the game, not
thrown in any possible combat scenario against other vampires.
Allies are weaker than vampires by default and likely will always be,
so most examples of combat strategies that can kill him will do the
same to any other ally yet released. Maybe the War Ghoul stands a
little higher than him in this regard, but even it has obvious
disadvantages - like needing extra cards to recoup blood, while Ossian
can potentially do the trick by itself.

Anyone using allies in a combat-oriented deck will count on the above
assumption and plan accordingly, no matter what they choose to make
him better at hitting people or at defending its own life. The best
comparison I can make is with the Renegade Garou. Ossian has obvious
advantages (is a little harder to block, potentially gains more life
than the old Garou, limit combat options for his opponent) and
disadvantages (is Red List, doesn't have a buit-in additional strike,
and pottentially can stand several turns without gaining a single
life). Renegade costs 5 and Ossian costs 3. I don't think it's
overpriced. One can assume that he gets 2 pool cheaper for his Red
List trait alone.

And don't forget that we didn't see all the cards yet. Until now we
have a card to assign any name to the dreaded Red List. Who's to say
we'll have no card to *remove* the Red List trait? At least I hope so.
Ossian without this trait is too much to ignore... I'm with Stefan.

best,

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil
--------------------------------------
Now a "luminary", whatever it means:
http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 1:10:34 AM

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"Screaming Vermillian" <vermillian69@yahoo.com> writes:

> He punches for two, so is likely to gain a net of one life,

Yet another way of making Ossian fearsome: Harbringers recruit him, play
Martyr's Resilience. "It won't die!"

--
hg@ "If you can't offend part of your audience,
iki.fi there is no point in being an artist at all." -Hakim Bey
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 3:16:57 AM

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<jnewquist@difsol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Well, not without planning for it, right. Tzimisce with Crows might not
> care that much. Or Tremere packing Weather Control. Or !Ventrue with
> prevention. Or someone with a Ghoul Retainer and a gun.
>

Well, a Tremere playing Weather control against that ally would be a really
stupid one, as the damage Ossian would get from WC (funny acronym for
Weather Control, don't you think ? :p ), would be recovered at the end of the
round due to his special, that gives him life equal to the blod lost due to
damage
from the opposing vampire. Anyway, WC is a bad idea, BtoWater is a good
one...

Even though this ally can be brought down, he is good and can be a real pain
in the ass
if he plays a trap to a Memories Mortalized vampire and torporize him, while
he gets out
with +8 life...


George
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 3:29:15 AM

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"tzimisce_dragon" <georget@for.auth.gr> wrote in message
news:ctouti$qs4$1@nic.grnet.gr...
>
> <jnewquist@difsol.com> wrote in message
> news:1107275478.169127.33910@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Well, not without planning for it, right. Tzimisce with Crows might not
> > care that much. Or Tremere packing Weather Control. Or !Ventrue with
> > prevention. Or someone with a Ghoul Retainer and a gun.
> >
>
> Well, a Tremere playing Weather control against that ally would be a
really
> stupid one, as the damage Ossian would get from WC (funny acronym for
> Weather Control, don't you think ? :p ), would be recovered at the end of
the
> round due to his special, that gives him life equal to the blod lost due
to
> damage
> from the opposing vampire.

to avoid confusion... with the above i mean, that WC will deal X damage to
Ossian
and Ossian will get X life back at the end of the round, due to the fact
that the
vampire who played WC will lose X blood to WC damage.


George
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 5:17:57 AM

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"Derek Ray" <lorimer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> jnewquist@difsol.com wrote:
> | Ossian
> | Ally, 3 Pool
> |
> | Unique Werewolf with 4 life, 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
> |
> | Ossian May enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action. In
> | the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
> | requires Auspex during this action, that vampire cannot use any
> | maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round for
> | each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
> | destruction that round.
>
> One word: Rave.
>

Definetely :)  Ossian is a true Raver.... ;) 


George
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 2:38:32 PM

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Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote:
>>i don't know what happened, but Ossian is once again "grey"...
>>Anyway, this is how it appears in my browser...
> Maybe he saw his shadow?

>>Well, it seemed pretty real to be a "pox-fly", if they pulled some
>>kind of trick on us, i will send the Great Beast after LSJ to kick
>>his ass....
> Groundhog Day pranks are pretty rare...

Nice save. Yeah, Groundhog's Day, that's it.

Eh. My computer at home had a time shift so my synch didn't go off
as scheduled when I got home. Then the update I posted from home
failed to have the new image. Corrected now.

Thanks.

--
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Anonymous
February 2, 2005 5:37:37 PM

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"LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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>
> Nice save. Yeah, Groundhog's Day, that's it.
>
> Eh. My computer at home had a time shift so my synch didn't go off
> as scheduled when I got home. Then the update I posted from home
> failed to have the new image. Corrected now.
>
> Thanks.
>

What is Groundhog's day ???

Anyway, i am glad that it was just a technical matter.... :) 

and not some twisted joke of yours... as Ossian is truly great...

If you wanted to make fun with us, you could have said that
Ossian was not unique.... that would drive us insane with him...

and the next day... "IT IS unique, i've fooled ya..."

and then we would have hunt you down and steal all your cards!


George
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 5:37:38 PM

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"tzimisce_dragon" <georget@for.auth.gr> wrote in message news:ctqgn0$lvv$1@nic.grnet.gr...
>
> "LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> news:YY2Md.135882$w62.57837@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > Nice save. Yeah, Groundhog's Day, that's it.
> >
> > Eh. My computer at home had a time shift so my synch didn't go off
> > as scheduled when I got home. Then the update I posted from home
> > failed to have the new image. Corrected now.
> >
>
> What is Groundhog's day ???

A: A Movie starring Bill Murray (involving time shift, as it happens).

B: February 2nd -- the day on which the first groundhog emerges from
hibernation and all the other animals (and humans) wait with
anticpation to see if the groundhog sees his shadow. If he does,
there'll be six more weeks of winter. If not, spring is near.

--
LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 6:30:30 PM

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"LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> "tzimisce_dragon" <georget@for.auth.gr> wrote in message
news:ctqgn0$lvv$1@nic.grnet.gr...
> >
> B: February 2nd -- the day on which the first groundhog emerges from
> hibernation and all the other animals (and humans) wait with
> anticpation to see if the groundhog sees his shadow. If he does,
> there'll be six more weeks of winter. If not, spring is near.
>

Well, did it look at his shadow ? :p 

I believe he did, if i jusge from the fact that it is currently snowing
here...


George
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 6:30:31 PM

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"tzimisce_dragon" <georget@for.auth.gr> wrote in message news:ctqjpp$pus$1@nic.grnet.gr...
> "LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> > B: February 2nd -- the day on which the first groundhog emerges from
> > hibernation and all the other animals (and humans) wait with
> > anticpation to see if the groundhog sees his shadow. If he does,
> > there'll be six more weeks of winter. If not, spring is near.
> >
>
> Well, did it look at his shadow ? :p 
>
> I believe he did, if i jusge from the fact that it is currently snowing
> here...

Six more weeks, yep.

http://www.visitpa.com/groundhog


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Anonymous
February 3, 2005 1:57:49 AM

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One more Ossian question:

Ossian blocks Vampire. Vamire strikes: Read Intentions (dodge) - triggering
Ossian ability: no strike!
Can she play blur? Just to cycle cards, so she can get some presses?
So the question is: can you play blur when you cannot strike?
I'm guessing no, but just want to be sure.

sinaath
February 3, 2005 3:29:48 AM

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"LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote
>
> B: February 2nd -- the day on which the first groundhog emerges from
> hibernation and all the other animals (and humans) wait with
> anticpation to see if the groundhog sees his shadow. If he does,
> there'll be six more weeks of winter. If not, spring is near.

Our famous Canadian groundhog is a double murderer. Not sure what this means
w.r.t. spring.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/09/23/willie_killer03092...
Anonymous
February 3, 2005 4:19:45 AM

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sinaath wrote:
> One more Ossian question:
>
> Ossian blocks Vampire. Vamire strikes: Read Intentions (dodge) - triggering
> Ossian ability: no strike!
> Can she play blur? Just to cycle cards, so she can get some presses?
> So the question is: can you play blur when you cannot strike?
> I'm guessing no, but just want to be sure.

Yes. The classic example is when under the "cannot strike" effects
of Hidden Lurker or Fast Reaction.

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Anonymous
February 3, 2005 3:34:05 PM

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"Wes" <ghost@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message
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>
> "LSJ" <vtesrep@white-wolf.com> wrote
> >
> > B: February 2nd -- the day on which the first groundhog emerges from
> > hibernation and all the other animals (and humans) wait with
> > anticpation to see if the groundhog sees his shadow. If he does,
> > there'll be six more weeks of winter. If not, spring is near.
>
> Our famous Canadian groundhog is a double murderer. Not sure what this
means
> w.r.t. spring.
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/09/23/willie_killer03092...
>

:)  maybe LSJ gets inspired by this and releases a card named
Willie Wiarton Earp, the killer an infernal ally groundhog... :p 


George
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