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I would like to thank White Wolf for letting Christopher Shy take a
rest. I did not see any vampires done by him at the pre-release, and
with 15 people drafting, we saw just about every vampire.

I would like to thrash White Wolf for failing to be consistent on
layout, again.

Discipline symbols are on different places on every card.

Clans required to play cards are on different places on every card.

Please hire a professional layout individual and make a professional
looking product instead of this amateur/intern inferior product.



Carpe noctem.

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> Steve Ellis :
> - Jane Sims. The ugliest mug of the set. --

That's the point. She's fantastically ugly.
 
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:40:08 -0500, The Lasombra
<TheLasombra@hotmail.com> scrawled:

>I would like to thank White Wolf for letting Christopher Shy take a
>rest. I did not see any vampires done by him at the pre-release, and
>with 15 people drafting, we saw just about every vampire.
>
>I would like to thrash White Wolf for failing to be consistent on
>layout, again.
>
>Discipline symbols are on different places on every card.
>
>Clans required to play cards are on different places on every card.
>
>Please hire a professional layout individual and make a professional
>looking product instead of this amateur/intern inferior product.

to be honest, at least the expansion symbol isn't totally
overshadowing the rest of the card this time around, which i am
happier with.

chin up!

but.....did anyone else notice that the backs are the other way around
to all the other sets? i kept drawing my cards upside down from my
library.

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I hadnt noticed but you are correct the backs are effectivly on
incorectly.

What I did notice is that the all of the card are warped - which can
only be down to the use of cheap card, which is a little off when the
prices have gone up.

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Piers wrote:
> I hadnt noticed but you are correct the backs are effectivly on
> incorectly.

Eh? The Word "vampire" goes down (from the top of the card to the
bottom) on the same side of the card as the marble stripe on the
other side (if your thumb is on the vampire side, it's also on the
bar side).

At least, on all the cards that I've checked (and I've checked
cards from all the sheets).

Which cards do you have that are different?

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I don´t know if this has been discussed already alot, but I kind of
want to know. A new font, and more space between lines, was introduced
in 10th Anniversary, and also appear in KMW - why? The old text was
nothing wrong with, and why the inconsistency?

Thanks for any reply.
 
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:37:56 -0500, LSJ
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>Piers wrote:
>> I hadnt noticed but you are correct the backs are effectivly on
>> incorectly.
>
>Eh? The Word "vampire" goes down (from the top of the card to the
>bottom) on the same side of the card as the marble stripe on the
>other side (if your thumb is on the vampire side, it's also on the
>bar side).

um, yeah. i was just trying to freak people out with my post. i gave a
hint in my sig...where i said i was only half honest.

i haven't actually noticed any back reversals. :)

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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:55:20 -0500, Gregory Stuart Pettigrew
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>> Steve Ellis :
>> - Jane Sims. The ugliest mug of the set. --
>
>That's the point. She's fantastically ugly.

i found lorrie dunsirn to be a bad drawing of an ugly person.

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:05:47 +1100, salem
<salem_christ.geo@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:55:20 -0500, Gregory Stuart Pettigrew
><etherial@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> scrawled:
>
>>> Steve Ellis :
>>> - Jane Sims. The ugliest mug of the set. --
>>
>>That's the point. She's fantastically ugly.
>
>i found lorrie dunsirn to be a bad drawing of an ugly person.
>
>salem
>http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm
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Whoever made Tariq-ADV and Petaniqua the Malk.
Thou shalt not make shitty pics of The Baldington!
 
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Hmmm is possible i shouldnt post in the middle of the night - when ive
not really had any sleep, it seems to leave me easily lead :)
Yeah the backs seem fine to me in the light of day :)

I have to say I really like Ken Meyer Jr's art work & I was very glad
to see some more examples of his stuff in the new set - especially
given that he di most/all of the art for the KMW book.

Id just like some more Tim Bradstreet then id be happy.

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Otto Koskinen wrote:

> Whoever made Tariq-ADV and Petaniqua the Malk.
> Thou shalt not make shitty pics of The Baldington!

Personally I prefer Petaniqua the Malk over Petaniqua the Baali, even
though the former looks like Watenda's sister after being beaten on with
the ugly stick. The Baali version is some sort of weird and evil
Marvel-esque dog-cow-woman -hybrid. Ewwww.

On the other hand, lots of good vamp pics in the set as well. I was
especially surprised to see that David Day has produced some decent art
for a change. See Janni for an example of GOOD, but Maureen the Vulcan
Priestess for an example of not so good, but not as bad as some of his
god-awful scribblings in Dark Ages: Fae.

This time the "Best Vampire Portraits In Expansion" award goes to Rik
Martin. All his pics so far look very very good. Honourable mention to
Monte Moore for Marion French. :)

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Henrik Klippstr?m <ashur@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don´t know if this has been discussed already alot, but I kind of
> want to know. A new font, and more space between lines, was introduced
> in 10th Anniversary, and also appear in KMW - why? The old text was
> nothing wrong with, and why the inconsistency?

New art director. She felt like changing it. That's what she told me.


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you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
 
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In message <8dcf8be2.0502210943.3c27fbd@posting.google.com>, Piers
<MonsterGuy@gmail.com> writes:
>Id just like some more Tim Bradstreet then id be happy.

Given that Tim is a seriously good artist, I'm not sure you'd like the
amount of money that White Wolf would likely need to throw at him and
then extract from the rest of us.

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PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D deviants? Why can't they just be normal like me and
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 look at internet pictures of men's cocks all day?"
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Henrik Klippstr?m wrote:
> I don´t know if this has been discussed already alot, but I kind of
> want to know. A new font, and more space between lines, was
introduced
> in 10th Anniversary, and also appear in KMW - why? The old text was
> nothing wrong with, and why the inconsistency?

As for the "new font" I had big problems with the old one. Look at the
Path of Lilith, for example. The font needed to have more meat to it. I
like this one better.

-Robert
 
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> Given that Tim is a seriously good artist, I'm not sure you'd like the
> amount of money that White Wolf would likely need to throw at him and
> then extract from the rest of us.

Im pretty sure the amount of money we spend on little bits of card
would easily pay for anyone to do the art work....

Piers
 
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Piers wrote:
> > Given that Tim is a seriously good artist, I'm not sure you'd like
the
> > amount of money that White Wolf would likely need to throw at him
and
> > then extract from the rest of us.
>
> Im pretty sure the amount of money we spend on little bits of card
> would easily pay for anyone to do the art work....

Really? I'm curious. How much do you think each artist gets paid for
each piece of card art?

-Robert
 
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In message <1109106259.671035.50760@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Goudie <robertg@vtesinla.org> writes:
>Piers wrote:
>> > Given that Tim is a seriously good artist, I'm not sure you'd like
>> >the amount of money that White Wolf would likely need to throw at
>> >him and then extract from the rest of us.
>>
>> Im pretty sure the amount of money we spend on little bits of card
>> would easily pay for anyone to do the art work....
>
>Really? I'm curious. How much do you think each artist gets paid for
>each piece of card art?

Or how much money is actually left over once printers, distributors,
material, shipping, packaging and the like are paid for, and prize
support, promos, White Wolf staff wages etc.

There's a reason a lot of card games fail. That they're cheap to make
and easy to make a profit on doesn't seem to be a likely reason for
that.

--
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PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D deviants? Why can't they just be normal like me and
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 look at internet pictures of men's cocks all day?"
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On 23 Feb 2005 00:05:10 -0800, Joscha <joscha.duell@gmx.de> wrote:

> For me KMJ is one of the best artists in VtES. Think of the fantastic
> Succubus, Elysian Fields or the Shadow Court Satyr. Great.

Agreed. He is one of the better artists. I haven't checked his KMW art
yet, but his former work for VTES was satisfactory.

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Daneel <daniel@eposta.hu> wrote in message news:<opsmna3jmvo6j3lh@news.chello.hu>...
> On 23 Feb 2005 00:05:10 -0800, Joscha <joscha.duell@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > For me KMJ is one of the best artists in VtES. Think of the fantastic
> > Succubus, Elysian Fields or the Shadow Court Satyr. Great.
>
> Agreed. He is one of the better artists. I haven't checked his KMW art
> yet, but his former work for VTES was satisfactory.

I like KMJ a lot too.

To be honest, I don't care that much if a pic is great or not
(although I highly appreciate it when one is), as long as it gives the
vampire a look different from the rest. Like any other card really, I
think vampires should be immideately recognizable by their pic.

Therefor I don't like the paintshopped photo-with-some-grey-overlaying
pics at all (Chris Shy, Lawrence Snelly, Max Fellwalker). Especially
if it is clearly a photo of a real person, which IMHO takes some of
the "fantasy-world" flavor out of the game.

I own a lot of "old" WotC VTES cards and I really wish Kaja Foglio,
Mark Tedin and Anson Maddocks should be hired for art by WW...

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Gomi no Sensei wrote:
> "Robert Goudie" <robertg@vtesinla.org> wrote in
> news:1109176974.195597.293040@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> >> James Stowe :
> >> - Joe "Boot" Hill. Right out of a western goen ghoulish nightmare
!!
> > +
> >> - Elihu is a weird and classy character, in a sick way. +
> >
> > Yeah, good stuff!
>
> See, I found both of them kind of cartoony.

Stowe usually has a slight tinge of cartoony I think.

> I miss Durwin Talon, the Becky Cloonan who did The Wildebeest (but
not
> the one who did Jeremy MacNeil), Alan Rabinowitz, and Rebecca Guay
> (though, to be fair, we got plenty of RG in Cam Ed, and my glances
> through a few Kamigawa-block cards seem to indicate WotC is borrowing
her
> at the moment).

Could be a borrowing issue. I dunno. However, they do try to pick
artists whose styles fit with the set themes. The blood and gore of my
favorite guy, Clint Langley, aren't appropriate for a Cam set, for
example, and RG may be good for a Cam set but may be a bad choice for a
bloody Sabbat set and so on.

Hey, I just realized we didn't get any (that I'm aware of) Leif Jones
(another sometimes cartoony guy).

> I wouldn't mind seeing some new pieces by Drew Tucker and Harold
MacNeill
> either, for the old-skool value.

I always thought Harold's stuff was at least unique. I inquired about
purchasing some originals at one point and he was asking >$1k for 'em.
That's just silly. Unfortunately, I can never escape thinking about
that price tag whenever I view his work now. :)

-Robert
 
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:39:50 +0000, James Coupe <james@zephyr.org.uk>
wrote:

>> Really? I'm curious. How much do you think each artist gets paid for
>> each piece of card art?
>
> Or how much money is actually left over once printers, distributors,
> material, shipping, packaging and the like are paid for, and prize
> support, promos, White Wolf staff wages etc.
>
> There's a reason a lot of card games fail. That they're cheap to make
> and easy to make a profit on doesn't seem to be a likely reason for
> that.

I'm curious when WW will start worrying about the salary I get. I mean,
they should do everything to help me get a higher salary, else my
financial status will not be sufficient to keep up playing the game as
new expansions come out. It should be their top priority to even give
me a lot of money, so that I can use some of that money to purchase
more VTES (and the rest to live a more luxurious life).

Hmm.

Maybe it would be best to let WW worry about their side and me worry
about mine. I'll make sure my salary is OK and they make sure they
stay afloat and produce a quality product. Sounds like a fair deal to
me. If they flunk it, I draw the line; until then, I'm happily wasting
my hard-earned cash on their cards (and happily bitching about how
this-and-that is so-and-so).

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"Robert Goudie" <robertg@vtesinla.org> wrote in
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> Heeeeyyy. No way man. KMJ does great work. We've purchased a bunch of
> them.

KMJ _has done_ great work in the past, but some of his modern stuff over
the last 2-3 expansions is kind of lacking, I have to say.

>> Steve Ellis :
>> - Benedict Giovanni ; not bad. +
>> - Jane Sims. The ugliest mug of the set. --
>
> That was a good pic, IMO. I think Ellis usually does great work. I also
> liked his Mercy for Seth from KMW.

Yeah, I think Orpheus kind of missed the point of Ellis' style there. He
had a similar angle-icious bit of art for a CE Malk (6cap? 7cap? I
forget), and I liked that one too.

>> James Stowe :
>> - Joe "Boot" Hill. Right out of a western goen ghoulish nightmare !!
> +
>> - Elihu is a weird and classy character, in a sick way. +
>
> Yeah, good stuff!

See, I found both of them kind of cartoony. Hill in particular didn't
project the kind of grim menace I expect from an Assamite. Elihu was just
kind of cartoony, and not in a cool way. Well-executed art, yes, but a
little 'meh' for their settings. I think I'd like his stuff on Malks or
Nos.

I miss Durwin Talon, the Becky Cloonan who did The Wildebeest (but not
the one who did Jeremy MacNeil), Alan Rabinowitz, and Rebecca Guay
(though, to be fair, we got plenty of RG in Cam Ed, and my glances
through a few Kamigawa-block cards seem to indicate WotC is borrowing her
at the moment).

I wouldn't mind seeing some new pieces by Drew Tucker and Harold MacNeill
either, for the old-skool value.

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"Daneel" <daniel@eposta.hu> wrote in message
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> I'm curious when WW will start worrying about the salary I get. I mean,
> they should do everything to help me get a higher salary, else my
> financial status will not be sufficient to keep up playing the game as
> new expansions come out. It should be their top priority to even give
> me a lot of money, so that I can use some of that money to purchase
> more VTES (and the rest to live a more luxurious life).
>
LOL! Spoken like a truer than reality Euro-socialist... Alas, WW lives in
the swim-or-drown reality of American-brand Capitalism.

> Hmm.
>
> Maybe it would be best to let WW worry about their side and me worry
> about mine. I'll make sure my salary is OK and they make sure they
> stay afloat and produce a quality product. Sounds like a fair deal to
> me. If they flunk it, I draw the line; until then, I'm happily wasting
> my hard-earned cash on their cards (and happily bitching about how
> this-and-that is so-and-so).

Very good! It seems regardless of whether the State takes you from cradle
to grave, or shoves you into the deep end of the capitalist pig sty, it is a
given that we'll all be complaining until Death pries those last seven
library cards from our cold hands!

:)

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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:31:33 GMT, David Zopf <davidxzopf@snetx.net> wrote:

> It seems regardless of whether the State takes you from cradle
> to grave, or shoves you into the deep end of the capitalist pig sty, it
> is a
> given that we'll all be complaining until Death pries those last seven
> library cards from our cold hands!

Very good... Last seven library cards! You made me laugh... ;)

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On 23 Feb 2005 11:15:01 -0800, "Robert Goudie" <robertg@vtesinla.org>
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>> I wouldn't mind seeing some new pieces by Drew Tucker and Harold
>MacNeill
>> either, for the old-skool value.
>
>I always thought Harold's stuff was at least unique. I inquired about
>purchasing some originals at one point and he was asking >$1k for 'em.
>That's just silly. Unfortunately, I can never escape thinking about
>that price tag whenever I view his work now. :)

i think macneill is my favourite vtes artist. but, yeah, >$1k is
silly.

and some of his work is complete shite. but the good stuff is GREAT.

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