Confusion of the eye

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This is the only card spoiler so far that has made me really go
......ewwwwwww.


Confusion of the Eye
React
Obfuscate
obf: Reduce a younger vampire's or an ally's bleed against you by 1.
OBF: Only usable during a referendum before any votes are cast. No
usable on a referendum that is automatically passing. If the referendum
requires a titled vampire, the referendum fails. Otherwise, the
referendum continues, but the acting vampire cannot cast any votes in
this referendum.

Do we really need another 'autofails' card? Do we really need to give
this to obf?!

'Hey there sneak n bleed, here's another tool to screw over your
biggest competitor, the vote deck!'

Had it not had that 'autofail titled vamp vote' effect, I think it
would've been fine. But with it? Ewwwwww.

G

 

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talonz wrote:

> Had it not had that 'autofail titled vamp vote' effect, I think it
> would've been fine. But with it? Ewwwwww.

Well, ya know, what votes really does it make autofail? Umm, Protect Thine
Own and Parity Shift? Two of the most overpowered votes out there? I think
they can take the hit, really.

I mean, yeah, I totally got hosed in the pre-release 'cause my prey had a
Confusion of the Eye in his hand when I tried to pull off an Anathema that
would have saved me, but in a grand scheme, I'm not seeing it have much more
effect than making people possibly play PTO a little less...


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"In fire."
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> > Had it not had that 'autofail titled vamp vote' effect, I think it
> > would've been fine. But with it? Ewwwwww.
>
> Well, ya know, what votes really does it make autofail? Umm, Protect Thine
> Own and Parity Shift? Two of the most overpowered votes out there? I think
> they can take the hit, really.
>

The best of the rest: Alastor, Anathema, and Archon.

And the rest being:

Beyond Reproach
Blood Siege
Command of the Harpies
Corruption's Purge
Deploy the Hand
First Tradition: The Masquerade
Hand Intervention
Investiture
Kindred Restructure
Masquerade Enforcement
Might of the Camarilla
National Guard Support
Reinforcements
Sabbat Inquisitor
Sabbat Threat
Templar
Tradition Upheld
Wrath of the Inner Circle

 

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Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote:

> The best of the rest: Alastor, Anathema, and Archon.

Yeah, I totally forgot about Alastor, which I think is a really bad one,
generally speaking, to get foiled. Anathema is not *that* common, but it is
usually pretty bad if it fails, but if it is getting called, it is usually
pretty easy to block, too. Archon is mostly less good than Alastor. But
yeah, these guys'll be hosed by Confusion of the Eye too.

> And the rest being:
>
> Beyond Reproach
> Blood Siege
> Command of the Harpies
> Corruption's Purge
> Deploy the Hand
> First Tradition: The Masquerade
> Hand Intervention
> Investiture
> Kindred Restructure
> Masquerade Enforcement
> Might of the Camarilla
> National Guard Support
> Reinforcements
> Sabbat Inquisitor
> Sabbat Threat
> Templar
> Tradition Upheld
> Wrath of the Inner Circle

Most of these are pretty corner case, and unlikely to really 'cause much
damage if they get foiled.


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talonz wrote:
> This is the only card spoiler so far that has made me really go
> .....ewwwwwww.
>
>
> Confusion of the Eye
> React
> Obfuscate
> obf: Reduce a younger vampire's or an ally's bleed against you by 1.
> OBF: Only usable during a referendum before any votes are cast. No
> usable on a referendum that is automatically passing. If the referendum
> requires a titled vampire, the referendum fails. Otherwise, the
> referendum continues, but the acting vampire cannot cast any votes in
> this referendum.
>
> Do we really need another 'autofails' card? Do we really need to give
> this to obf?!
>
> 'Hey there sneak n bleed, here's another tool to screw over your
> biggest competitor, the vote deck!'
>
> Had it not had that 'autofail titled vamp vote' effect, I think it
> would've been fine. But with it? Ewwwwww.

Do not underestimate the power of Approximation of Loyalty >

Name: Approximation of Loyalty
[Gehenna:C]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Presence
Requires a vampire with capacity above 6.
[pre] Only usable when the action is announced. Choose a vampire
with capacity below 7 or an ally. That minion cannot block this
action.
[PRE] Cancel a reaction card played by a vampire with capacity
below 7 or an ally as it is played (no cost is paid). No more
action modifiers can be played on this action.


--
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On 20 Feb 2005 03:17:31 -0800, "talonz" <talonz51@yahoo.ca> scrawled:

>This is the only card spoiler so far that has made me really go
>.....ewwwwwww.
>
>
>Confusion of the Eye
>React
>Obfuscate
>obf: Reduce a younger vampire's or an ally's bleed against you by 1.
>OBF: Only usable during a referendum before any votes are cast. No
>usable on a referendum that is automatically passing. If the referendum
>requires a titled vampire, the referendum fails. Otherwise, the
>referendum continues, but the acting vampire cannot cast any votes in
>this referendum.
>
>Do we really need another 'autofails' card? Do we really need to give
>this to obf?!
>
>'Hey there sneak n bleed, here's another tool to screw over your
>biggest competitor, the vote deck!'
>
>Had it not had that 'autofail titled vamp vote' effect, I think it
>would've been fine. But with it? Ewwwwww.

if your uber S&B deck is leaving vamps untapped to play this, they're
not bleeding hard enough.

salem
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Damnans wrote:

>
> Do not underestimate the power of Approximation of Loyalty >
> [PRE] Cancel a reaction card played by a vampire with capacity
> below 7 or an ally as it is played (no cost is paid). No more
> action modifiers can be played on this action.
>
>

Note that the acting minion cannot play further action modifiers. A
real problem in a vote deck, especialy as Vcap comes last. I looked
closely at this card when building my last vote deck and decided
against it for this very reason.

Also not that it is a 'cancel X card' effect rather than a 'do x'
effect. I personally am sick of this metagaming in vtes. I come to
play cards, not have them cancelled. Don't like what I'm playing?
Play the counter, matchup to what I have, and lets so who comes out on
top.

G

 

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*my* s&b deck? whatever are you talking about?

And of course, there is the simple solution. Perhaps you've heard of
it, 'wake with evenings freshness'.

G

 

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Peter D Bakija <pdb6@lightlink.com> wrote:
: Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote:
....
....
:> Tradition Upheld
:> Wrath of the Inner Circle
: Most of these are pretty corner case, and unlikely to really 'cause much
: damage if they get foiled.

I'd be surprised to see that card around at all. When people have been
sitting with the CotE in hand while being pounded with repeat KRCs,
they'll undoubtedly switch to something useful.

//T

 

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> :> Tradition Upheld
> :> Wrath of the Inner Circle
> : Most of these are pretty corner case, and unlikely to really 'cause much
> : damage if they get foiled.
>
> I'd be surprised to see that card around at all. When people have been
> sitting with the CotE in hand while being pounded with repeat KRCs,
> they'll undoubtedly switch to something useful.
>

OK, seriously, I list *every single card* that could be cancelled. Of
course some of them are gonna be lame.

 

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On 21 Feb 2005 07:10:37 GMT, Teemu T Vilen <tvilen@cc.helsinki.fi>
scrawled:

>Peter D Bakija <pdb6@lightlink.com> wrote:
>: Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote:
>...
>...
>:> Tradition Upheld
>:> Wrath of the Inner Circle
>: Most of these are pretty corner case, and unlikely to really 'cause much
>: damage if they get foiled.
>
>I'd be surprised to see that card around at all. When people have been
>sitting with the CotE in hand while being pounded with repeat KRCs,
>they'll undoubtedly switch to something useful.

you can still play it on a KRC to cause the acting minion to not be
able to cast any votes.

salem
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salem <salem_christ.geo@hotmail.com> wrote:
: you can still play it on a KRC to cause the acting minion to not be
: able to cast any votes.

Quite right.. *cough* I knew that. Too exited about some other new cards


//T

 

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On 21 Feb 2005 01:57:06 -0800, "talonz" <talonz51@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>Damnans wrote:
>>
>> Do not underestimate the power of Approximation of Loyalty >
>> [PRE] Cancel a reaction card played by a vampire with capacity
>> below 7 or an ally as it is played (no cost is paid). No more
>> action modifiers can be played on this action.
>>
>>
>
>Note that the acting minion cannot play further action modifiers. A
>real problem in a vote deck, especialy as Vcap comes last. I looked
>closely at this card when building my last vote deck and decided
>against it for this very reason.
>G

There are times when you have a Voter Cap in hand when calling a
referendum with a full vampire. Approximation can help in cycling and
save the Voter Cap to the next vote, when some vampire is not full.

best,

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
Giovanni Clan Newsletter Editor
-----------------------------------------------------
V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now)
http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/vtesbrasil/

 

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You might also start packing a few Telepathic Vote Counting. Taking
the card back into your hand is a powerful deterrent to someone's
Confusion of the Eye.

I have to admit, though, that voting got just a heck of a lot harder in
this set.

 

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Fabio Sooner wrote:

> There are times when you have a Voter Cap in hand when calling a
> referendum with a full vampire. Approximation can help in cycling and
> save the Voter Cap to the next vote, when some vampire is not full.
>
> best,

Cornercase scenario, certainly not one that would make approximation
make the cut in my vote deck. TVC is far superior in my eyes.

G

 

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On 22 Feb 2005 00:12:38 -0800, "talonz" <talonz51@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>
>Fabio Sooner wrote:
>
>> There are times when you have a Voter Cap in hand when calling a
>> referendum with a full vampire. Approximation can help in cycling and
>> save the Voter Cap to the next vote, when some vampire is not full.
>
>Cornercase scenario, certainly not one that would make approximation
>make the cut in my vote deck. TVC is far superior in my eyes.
>G

Mine also, but that doesn't make Approximation something to not
consider in some circunstamces - like light intercept around. There
are some vote decks out there that use Presence but do not rely in
tons of Minion Taps to make poolgain.

Not too cornercase in my experience, but... metagame is metagame.

best,

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
Giovanni Clan Newsletter Editor
-----------------------------------------------------
V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now)
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"talonz" <talonz51@yahoo.ca> schreef in bericht
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>
> Fabio Sooner wrote:
>
>> There are times when you have a Voter Cap in hand when calling a
>> referendum with a full vampire. Approximation can help in cycling and
>> save the Voter Cap to the next vote, when some vampire is not full.
>>
>> best,
>
> Cornercase scenario, certainly not one that would make approximation
> make the cut in my vote deck. TVC is far superior in my eyes.
>
you obviously don't play in a "3-4 Delaying Tactics in every deck"
environment...

 

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So I'm curious....are you saying that you do, and you play multiple
approximations in your vote decks because of it?

G

 

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"talonz" <talonz51@yahoo.ca> schreef in bericht
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> So I'm curious....are you saying that you do, and you play multiple
> approximations in your vote decks because of it?
>
what i meant was: in my fatty vote decks I have to play with AoL's.