Restricted Vitae and intrinsic stealth - rulesmongering so..

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I'm interested in optimising a deck that combines

*blood theft (as below)
*blood burning (eg. Free States Rant)
*damaging actions (many possibilities - Abyssal Hunter, Muddles, Anam,
Edged Illusion)

This is one idea for a theft combo:

Restricted Vitae - Gehenna Event
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Do not replace until a vampire successfully hunts. Vampires cannot hunt
unless forced to hunt. A vampire who must hunt may hunt by stealing a
blood from a younger vampireas a (D) action instead of performing the
usual hunt action.

Hesha Ruhadze - Phat FoS
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Ability: When hunting, Hesha gets an additional +1 stealth and gains an
additional blood if successful.

It has already been ruled that Hesha can steal 2 blood with this combo.
I just wish to check whether his usual +1 stealth applies.

That is, an empty Hesha has the option to either:

hunt as usual at 2 stealth to gain 2 from the Blood Bank
OR
hunt by stealing, at +1 stealth, up to 2 blood from a younger vampire

Muaziz + Hospital Food would be exactly the same, yes?

 

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hollowboy wrote:
> I'm interested in optimising a deck that combines
>
> *blood theft (as below)
> *blood burning (eg. Free States Rant)
> *damaging actions (many possibilities - Abyssal Hunter, Muddles,
Anam,
> Edged Illusion)

Yep this is actually a viable deck idea. A friend of mine is currently
terrorising one of my playgroups with a FSR/Edged Illusion deck. The
key vampire is Spider-Killer, using Freak Drives to perform multiple
actions, and Fatuus Mastery to do stuff on the cheap. Shared Nightmare
makes blocking difficult or impossible (and helps pass the FSR votes).
Burn blood with FSR, Freak, bin vamps with Edged Illusion. Pool damage
is done with Fame and Tension.
Looks amusing on paper, has turned out to be frighteningly effective in
play (he's taken GWs with it).

> This is one idea for a theft combo:

Looks kinda cool. You might have trouble passing the FSRs though.
That new Setite location you can tap and burn a pool for 3 votes will
help.

> It has already been ruled that Hesha can steal 2 blood with this
combo.
> I just wish to check whether his usual +1 stealth applies.
>
> That is, an empty Hesha has the option to either:
>
> hunt as usual at 2 stealth to gain 2 from the Blood Bank
> OR
> hunt by stealing, at +1 stealth, up to 2 blood from a younger vampire

I believe so yes. He gets +1 stealth and an extra blood when "hunting";
it doesn't specify "when performing the usual hunt action". A
restricted vitae is a hunt ("may hunt by stealing a blood"), it's just
not the "usual hunt action", so I'm guessing his abilities would apply.

> Muaziz + Hospital Food would be exactly the same, yes?

Yes, that's a definite (assuming you make her an Anarch). Just be
careful to tap the HF when you announce the action, not when it
resolves.