[deck] Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues

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Hi,

I've just notice there are a bunch of high caps with votes that can
play Iron Glare and Scalpel Tongue, not to mention the two at
superior.
Duh, the Brujah and !Brujah have [cel] [pot] as in-clan
disciplines, so where's the catch?
The catch is: there are more than one or three with built-in +1 bleed,
which adds nicely to Iron Glare at superior.
So here's a combination of Bewitching, Scalpel and Iron Glare. Passing
votes will be easier than calling them, so I've included a few
Alacrities and a Creepshow Casino. I'd include more copies if I had
them (the same for Tyler, Antonio Veradas, Awe and Iron Heart).

Suggestions are more than welcome, specially to overcome the general
lack of stealth (permacept is a must in here).

Deck Name : Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues
Author : Fabio Sooner
Description :

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 10 average: 9.17
------------------------------------------------------------

2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
!Brujah:3 (+1 bleed)
2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
!Brujah:2 (+1 bleed)
2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
Toreador:2 (+1 bleed)
2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
Toreador:3 (+1 bleed)
1x Klaus van der Veke 9 CEL PRE aus obf tha prince
Toreador:2
1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
Brujah:3 (pay 1 blood for 1 vote or +1 bleed)
1x Antonio Veradas 8 CEL POT PRE obf bishop
!Brujah:3
1x Venere Carboni 8 AUS CEL PRE ani priscus
!Toreador:3


Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Action Modifier [28]
4x Alacrity
1x Awe
7x Bewitching Oration
8x Iron Glare
8x Voter Captivation

Action Modifier/Reaction [7]
7x Scalpel Tongue

Combat [11]
1x Disengage
6x Majesty
4x Preternatural Evasion

Master [17]
1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
1x Creepshow Casino
4x Information Highway
8x Minion Tap
1x Perfeccionist
2x Zillah's Valley

Political Action [23]
1x Ancient Influence
4x Banishment
4x Conservative Agitation
2x Disputed Territory
10x Kine Resources Contested
1x Meddling of Semsith, The
1x Reins of Power

Reaction [5]
1x Iron Heart
4x Wake with Evening's Freshness


Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Mon Mar 28 10:42:14 2005]
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
Giovanni Newsletter Editor
-----------------------------------------------------
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  1. Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:31:05 -0300, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
    <fabio_sooner@NOSPAMyahoo.com.br> wrote:

    > Deck Name : Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues

    Nice title. ;)

    > Author : Fabio Sooner
    > Description :
    >
    > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 10 average: 9.17
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > 2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
    > !Brujah:3 (+1 bleed)
    > 2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
    > !Brujah:2 (+1 bleed)
    > 2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
    > Toreador:2 (+1 bleed)
    > 2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
    > Toreador:3 (+1 bleed)
    > 1x Klaus van der Veke 9 CEL PRE aus obf tha prince
    > Toreador:2
    > 1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
    > Brujah:3 (pay 1 blood for 1 vote or +1 bleed)
    > 1x Antonio Veradas 8 CEL POT PRE obf bishop
    > !Brujah:3
    > 1x Venere Carboni 8 AUS CEL PRE ani priscus
    > !Toreador:3
    >
    > Library [90 cards]
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > Action Modifier [28]
    > 4x Alacrity
    > 1x Awe
    > 7x Bewitching Oration
    > 8x Iron Glare
    > 8x Voter Captivation

    In order to diversify your stealth you might consider the following:

    Siren's Lure at [cel] is a poor man's Alacrity, except when you
    need +2 stealth on one action (when it is a great boon).

    If you had more Sabbat, you could make use of Stealth Ritus (costs as
    much as Alacrity, but again, it ups your maximum stealth).

    I would suggest dropping some Voters and Bewitchings, to add a bit
    more stealth. You might even consider switching to a BB combat module
    to discourage blocks, include more Majesty-s to go the tap'n'bleed
    /vote angle, or even build on Marijava Ghouls and Charming Lobby.

    > Action Modifier/Reaction [7]
    > 7x Scalpel Tongue

    I might settle for less... This one is only good on referendi, whereas
    Iron Glare is completely multipurpose.

    > Combat [11]
    > 1x Disengage
    > 6x Majesty
    > 4x Preternatural Evasion

    Your current crypt has CEL PRE. Staredown is outright better than PE.
    Except that more Majesty is probably even more better (because you
    need to be untapped to play Scalpel Tongue reactively, so even if
    you vote-get blocked-bleed-get blocked, you could Majesty just to
    stay untapped).

    > Master [17]
    > 1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
    > 1x Creepshow Casino
    > 4x Information Highway
    > 8x Minion Tap
    > 1x Perfeccionist
    > 2x Zillah's Valley

    4 Info Highway? Doesn't sound too cool. I'd go with less. Getting a
    good head start is always an asset, but including 4 copies of a
    unique card is only good if you absolutely undeniably need it. I'd
    go with less masters even. I'd drop the Hunting Groung (using
    Disputed Territory saves you an MPA and 2 Pool), add another
    Creepshow Casino (couldn't hurt), and drop down to only 1 Info Highway.

    > Political Action [23]
    > 1x Ancient Influence
    > 4x Banishment
    > 4x Conservative Agitation
    > 2x Disputed Territory
    > 10x Kine Resources Contested
    > 1x Meddling of Semsith, The
    > 1x Reins of Power

    If you had more princes, I'd advise to include some Parity Shifts. I'd
    probably include at least one anyway, just in case. Stealing around 4
    pool from your prey, if you can manage it, can mean a whole lot of
    difference.

    > Reaction [5]
    > 1x Iron Heart
    > 4x Wake with Evening's Freshness

    Interesting deck, but I generally would advise to go more !Brujah (and
    have more stealth) or more new Brujah Princes (and have more political
    power). I'm curious how it does in play. ;)

    --
    Bye,

    Daneel
  2. Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

    Consider adding some lower cap vampires to allow you to take more
    actions. The more actions you take, the more resources that must be
    expended to block you. Consider:

    Antoinette DuChamp 1-cap cel pre Caitiff
    Itzahk Levine 3-cap cel pre Ventrue
    Mazz 3-cap cel pre Brujah
    Allison Maller 4-cap cel pot pre Brujah
    Evangeline 4-cap cel pot pre !Brujah

    There's really no reason for Antoinette DuChamp not to be in your
    crypt. Sure, she can't Iron Glare, but she won't need to (with Scalpel
    Tongue in your hand during a voting war, Antoinette vs Arika =
    Antoinette wins!). The others are just as good, and the 4-caps can use
    anything in your library.

    Consider using Change of Target. It can really make people regret
    wasting resources to block you. Also, 5 of your minions are fatties
    with superior auspex, I might toss in a few Croc Tongues (and it fits
    the theme!) There's a real potential problem with so many action mods
    (you might have a hand full of them with no vote to call); you might
    want to look at Flurry of Action for its flush and/or untapping
    effects. Flurry is especially nice with your built in +bleeds and Iron
    Glares (that it can be used to flush your hand is a nice side benefit).
    And I know I said you had too many action modifiers, but Approximation
    of Loyalty will keep mid-caps and weenies from waking to block you (at
    the expense of being able to push/cap the vote, but alas, nothing is
    perfect). But...what to take out?

    Permanent intercept is going to eat your deck alive...

    You seem to have lots and lots of inherent votes, plus lots and lots of
    vote push, but with only the ability to generate 3 stealth on a vote
    (and not all that often), you're going to get blocked, and it's going
    to hurt. All your current crypt has superior celerity, but you're not
    using it for much. Why not lower your betwitchings and scalpels, scrap
    all your current combat, toss out two info highways and the rather
    prayerish Iron Heart (especially since Telepathic Misdirection is what
    you want, anyway), and add in a concealed .44 blur/pursuit module?
    Never underestimate the ability to deal 6 points of damage as a
    preventative measure.

    Definitely rethink your number of masters. You'll be (ideally) cycling
    3-6 cards per action, and this rate of cycling is going to cycle you
    into a hand jam.

    Good luck with the deck, however it turns out!
    cmb

    Fabio "Sooner" Macedo wrote:

    > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 10 average: 9.17
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > 2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
    > !Brujah:3 (+1 bleed)
    > 2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
    > !Brujah:2 (+1 bleed)
    > 2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
    > Toreador:2 (+1 bleed)
    > 2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
    > Toreador:3 (+1 bleed)
    > 1x Klaus van der Veke 9 CEL PRE aus obf tha prince
    > Toreador:2
    > 1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
    > Brujah:3 (pay 1 blood for 1 vote or +1 bleed)
    > 1x Antonio Veradas 8 CEL POT PRE obf bishop
    > !Brujah:3
    > 1x Venere Carboni 8 AUS CEL PRE ani priscus
    > !Toreador:3
    >
    >
    > Library [90 cards]
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > Action Modifier [28]
    > 4x Alacrity
    > 1x Awe
    > 7x Bewitching Oration
    > 8x Iron Glare
    > 8x Voter Captivation
    >
    > Action Modifier/Reaction [7]
    > 7x Scalpel Tongue
    >
    > Combat [11]
    > 1x Disengage
    > 6x Majesty
    > 4x Preternatural Evasion
    >
    > Master [17]
    > 1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
    > 1x Creepshow Casino
    > 4x Information Highway
    > 8x Minion Tap
    > 1x Perfeccionist
    > 2x Zillah's Valley
    >
    > Political Action [23]
    > 1x Ancient Influence
    > 4x Banishment
    > 4x Conservative Agitation
    > 2x Disputed Territory
    > 10x Kine Resources Contested
    > 1x Meddling of Semsith, The
    > 1x Reins of Power
    >
    > Reaction [5]
    > 1x Iron Heart
    > 4x Wake with Evening's Freshness
  3. Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

    [snip]
    >Good luck with the deck, however it turns out!
    >cmb

    Too many wonderful suggestions, I couldn't keep myself from using
    almost all of them ;-)

    Here's a new version:

    Deck Name : Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues
    Author : Fabio Sooner
    Description :

    Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 10 average: 7.84
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
    !Brujah:3
    2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
    !Brujah:2
    2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
    Toreador:2
    2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
    Toreador:3
    1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
    Brujah:3
    1x Allison Maller 4 cel pot pre
    Brujah:3
    1x Evangeline 4 cel pot pre
    !Brujah:2
    1x Antoinette DuChamp 1 cel pre
    Caitiff:2


    Library [91 cards]
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    Action [4]
    4x Flurry of Action

    Action Modifier [26]
    1x Awe
    5x Bewitching Oration
    4x Change of Target
    4x Crocodile's Tongue
    6x Iron Glare
    6x Voter Captivation

    Action Modifier/Reaction [6]
    6x Scalpel Tongue

    Combat [13]
    3x Concealed Weapon
    4x Majesty
    6x Pursuit

    Equipment [4]
    4x .44 Magnum

    Master [14]
    1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
    1x Creepshow Casino
    1x Information Highway
    8x Minion Tap
    3x Zillah's Valley

    Political Action [20]
    1x Ancient Influence
    6x Conservative Agitation
    1x Disputed Territory
    10x Kine Resources Contested
    1x Parity Shift
    1x Reins of Power

    Reaction [4]
    4x Telepathic Misdirection


    Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Wed Mar 30 08:27:41 2005]


    Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
    V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
    Giovanni Newsletter Editor
    -----------------------------------------------------
    V for Vendetta on the big screen!
    http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/
  4. Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

    Fabio "Sooner" Macedo wrote:
    > [snip]
    > >Good luck with the deck, however it turns out!
    > >cmb
    >
    > Too many wonderful suggestions, I couldn't keep myself from using
    > almost all of them ;-)
    >
    > Here's a new version:
    >
    > Deck Name : Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues
    > Author : Fabio Sooner
    > Description :
    >
    > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 10 average: 7.84
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > 2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
    > !Brujah:3
    > 2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
    > !Brujah:2
    > 2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
    > Toreador:2
    > 2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
    > Toreador:3
    > 1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
    > Brujah:3
    > 1x Allison Maller 4 cel pot pre
    > Brujah:3
    > 1x Evangeline 4 cel pot pre
    > !Brujah:2
    > 1x Antoinette DuChamp 1 cel pre
    > Caitiff:2
    >
    >
    > Library [91 cards]
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > Action [4]
    > 4x Flurry of Action
    >
    > Action Modifier [26]
    > 1x Awe
    > 5x Bewitching Oration
    > 4x Change of Target
    > 4x Crocodile's Tongue

    what? For your TWO minions that have it?

    > 6x Iron Glare
    > 6x Voter Captivation

    this is the extent of your bloat (+ minion tap). Very dangerous.
    Especially considering your reactions are limited to having and keeping
    your 4 of 12 minions in the crypt with AUS untapped.

    and where's all that hot stealth people were suggesting you add?

    > Action Modifier/Reaction [6]
    > 6x Scalpel Tongue
    >
    > Combat [13]
    > 3x Concealed Weapon
    > 4x Majesty
    > 6x Pursuit
    >
    > Equipment [4]
    > 4x .44 Magnum

    3 concealed and 4 guns = not gonna' pull that combo off often. Axe all
    seven and add 5 more transient combat and maybe 2 masters (
    >
    > Master [14]
    > 1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
    > 1x Creepshow Casino
    > 1x Information Highway
    > 8x Minion Tap
    > 3x Zillah's Valley

    a bit low for the few minions and actions you'll be taking every turn.
    Try adding one to three more.

    > Political Action [20]
    > 1x Ancient Influence
    > 6x Conservative Agitation

    few less perhaps and diversify on political actions. what though?

    > 1x Disputed Territory
    > 10x Kine Resources Contested
    > 1x Parity Shift
    > 1x Reins of Power
    >
    > Reaction [4]
    > 4x Telepathic Misdirection

    Once again... not much AUS.

    Its a bit of a tool box now that you've slid in the flurries, but I
    like the concept so far. I've seen many a deck build just around iron
    glare and the scalpel tongue angle might work out well, but itmight
    force the deck into too much of a vote angle, which is what your deck
    has now. No complaints really on that shift.
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