[deck] Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues

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Hi,

I've just notice there are a bunch of high caps with votes that can
play Iron Glare and Scalpel Tongue, not to mention the two at
superior.
Duh, the Brujah and !Brujah have [cel] [pot] [pre] as in-clan
disciplines, so where's the catch?
The catch is: there are more than one or three with built-in +1 bleed,
which adds nicely to Iron Glare at superior.
So here's a combination of Bewitching, Scalpel and Iron Glare. Passing
votes will be easier than calling them, so I've included a few
Alacrities and a Creepshow Casino. I'd include more copies if I had
them (the same for Tyler, Antonio Veradas, Awe and Iron Heart).

Suggestions are more than welcome, specially to overcome the general
lack of stealth (permacept is a must in here).

Deck Name : Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues
Author : Fabio Sooner
Description :

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 10 average: 9.17
------------------------------------------------------------

2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
!Brujah:3 (+1 bleed)
2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
!Brujah:2 (+1 bleed)
2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
Toreador:2 (+1 bleed)
2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
Toreador:3 (+1 bleed)
1x Klaus van der Veke 9 CEL PRE aus obf tha prince
Toreador:2
1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
Brujah:3 (pay 1 blood for 1 vote or +1 bleed)
1x Antonio Veradas 8 CEL POT PRE obf bishop
!Brujah:3
1x Venere Carboni 8 AUS CEL PRE ani priscus
!Toreador:3


Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Action Modifier [28]
4x Alacrity
1x Awe
7x Bewitching Oration
8x Iron Glare
8x Voter Captivation

Action Modifier/Reaction [7]
7x Scalpel Tongue

Combat [11]
1x Disengage
6x Majesty
4x Preternatural Evasion

Master [17]
1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
1x Creepshow Casino
4x Information Highway
8x Minion Tap
1x Perfeccionist
2x Zillah's Valley

Political Action [23]
1x Ancient Influence
4x Banishment
4x Conservative Agitation
2x Disputed Territory
10x Kine Resources Contested
1x Meddling of Semsith, The
1x Reins of Power

Reaction [5]
1x Iron Heart
4x Wake with Evening's Freshness


Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Mon Mar 28 10:42:14 2005]
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:31:05 -0300, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
<fabio_sooner@NOSPAMyahoo.com.br> wrote:

> Deck Name : Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues

Nice title.

> Author : Fabio Sooner
> Description :
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 10 average: 9.17
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
> !Brujah:3 (+1 bleed)
> 2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
> !Brujah:2 (+1 bleed)
> 2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
> Toreador:2 (+1 bleed)
> 2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
> Toreador:3 (+1 bleed)
> 1x Klaus van der Veke 9 CEL PRE aus obf tha prince
> Toreador:2
> 1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
> Brujah:3 (pay 1 blood for 1 vote or +1 bleed)
> 1x Antonio Veradas 8 CEL POT PRE obf bishop
> !Brujah:3
> 1x Venere Carboni 8 AUS CEL PRE ani priscus
> !Toreador:3
>
> Library [90 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Action Modifier [28]
> 4x Alacrity
> 1x Awe
> 7x Bewitching Oration
> 8x Iron Glare
> 8x Voter Captivation

In order to diversify your stealth you might consider the following:

Siren's Lure at [cel] is a poor man's Alacrity, except when you
need +2 stealth on one action (when it is a great boon).

If you had more Sabbat, you could make use of Stealth Ritus (costs as
much as Alacrity, but again, it ups your maximum stealth).

I would suggest dropping some Voters and Bewitchings, to add a bit
more stealth. You might even consider switching to a BB combat module
to discourage blocks, include more Majesty-s to go the tap'n'bleed
/vote angle, or even build on Marijava Ghouls and Charming Lobby.

> Action Modifier/Reaction [7]
> 7x Scalpel Tongue

I might settle for less... This one is only good on referendi, whereas
Iron Glare is completely multipurpose.

> Combat [11]
> 1x Disengage
> 6x Majesty
> 4x Preternatural Evasion

Your current crypt has CEL PRE. Staredown is outright better than PE.
Except that more Majesty is probably even more better (because you
need to be untapped to play Scalpel Tongue reactively, so even if
you vote-get blocked-bleed-get blocked, you could Majesty just to
stay untapped).

> Master [17]
> 1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
> 1x Creepshow Casino
> 4x Information Highway
> 8x Minion Tap
> 1x Perfeccionist
> 2x Zillah's Valley

4 Info Highway? Doesn't sound too cool. I'd go with less. Getting a
good head start is always an asset, but including 4 copies of a
unique card is only good if you absolutely undeniably need it. I'd
go with less masters even. I'd drop the Hunting Groung (using
Disputed Territory saves you an MPA and 2 Pool), add another
Creepshow Casino (couldn't hurt), and drop down to only 1 Info Highway.

> Political Action [23]
> 1x Ancient Influence
> 4x Banishment
> 4x Conservative Agitation
> 2x Disputed Territory
> 10x Kine Resources Contested
> 1x Meddling of Semsith, The
> 1x Reins of Power

If you had more princes, I'd advise to include some Parity Shifts. I'd
probably include at least one anyway, just in case. Stealing around 4
pool from your prey, if you can manage it, can mean a whole lot of
difference.

> Reaction [5]
> 1x Iron Heart
> 4x Wake with Evening's Freshness

Interesting deck, but I generally would advise to go more !Brujah (and
have more stealth) or more new Brujah Princes (and have more political
power). I'm curious how it does in play.

--
Bye,

Daneel

 

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Consider adding some lower cap vampires to allow you to take more
actions. The more actions you take, the more resources that must be
expended to block you. Consider:

Antoinette DuChamp 1-cap cel pre Caitiff
Itzahk Levine 3-cap cel pre Ventrue
Mazz 3-cap cel pre Brujah
Allison Maller 4-cap cel pot pre Brujah
Evangeline 4-cap cel pot pre !Brujah

There's really no reason for Antoinette DuChamp not to be in your
crypt. Sure, she can't Iron Glare, but she won't need to (with Scalpel
Tongue in your hand during a voting war, Antoinette vs Arika =
Antoinette wins!). The others are just as good, and the 4-caps can use
anything in your library.

Consider using Change of Target. It can really make people regret
wasting resources to block you. Also, 5 of your minions are fatties
with superior auspex, I might toss in a few Croc Tongues (and it fits
the theme!) There's a real potential problem with so many action mods
(you might have a hand full of them with no vote to call); you might
want to look at Flurry of Action for its flush and/or untapping
effects. Flurry is especially nice with your built in +bleeds and Iron
Glares (that it can be used to flush your hand is a nice side benefit).
And I know I said you had too many action modifiers, but Approximation
of Loyalty will keep mid-caps and weenies from waking to block you (at
the expense of being able to push/cap the vote, but alas, nothing is
perfect). But...what to take out?

Permanent intercept is going to eat your deck alive...

You seem to have lots and lots of inherent votes, plus lots and lots of
vote push, but with only the ability to generate 3 stealth on a vote
(and not all that often), you're going to get blocked, and it's going
to hurt. All your current crypt has superior celerity, but you're not
using it for much. Why not lower your betwitchings and scalpels, scrap
all your current combat, toss out two info highways and the rather
prayerish Iron Heart (especially since Telepathic Misdirection is what
you want, anyway), and add in a concealed .44 blur/pursuit module?
Never underestimate the ability to deal 6 points of damage as a
preventative measure.

Definitely rethink your number of masters. You'll be (ideally) cycling
3-6 cards per action, and this rate of cycling is going to cycle you
into a hand jam.

Good luck with the deck, however it turns out!
cmb

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo wrote:

> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 10 average: 9.17
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
> !Brujah:3 (+1 bleed)
> 2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
> !Brujah:2 (+1 bleed)
> 2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
> Toreador:2 (+1 bleed)
> 2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
> Toreador:3 (+1 bleed)
> 1x Klaus van der Veke 9 CEL PRE aus obf tha prince
> Toreador:2
> 1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
> Brujah:3 (pay 1 blood for 1 vote or +1 bleed)
> 1x Antonio Veradas 8 CEL POT PRE obf bishop
> !Brujah:3
> 1x Venere Carboni 8 AUS CEL PRE ani priscus
> !Toreador:3
>
>
> Library [90 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Action Modifier [28]
> 4x Alacrity
> 1x Awe
> 7x Bewitching Oration
> 8x Iron Glare
> 8x Voter Captivation
>
> Action Modifier/Reaction [7]
> 7x Scalpel Tongue
>
> Combat [11]
> 1x Disengage
> 6x Majesty
> 4x Preternatural Evasion
>
> Master [17]
> 1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
> 1x Creepshow Casino
> 4x Information Highway
> 8x Minion Tap
> 1x Perfeccionist
> 2x Zillah's Valley
>
> Political Action [23]
> 1x Ancient Influence
> 4x Banishment
> 4x Conservative Agitation
> 2x Disputed Territory
> 10x Kine Resources Contested
> 1x Meddling of Semsith, The
> 1x Reins of Power
>
> Reaction [5]
> 1x Iron Heart
> 4x Wake with Evening's Freshness

 

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[snip]
>Good luck with the deck, however it turns out!
>cmb

Too many wonderful suggestions, I couldn't keep myself from using
almost all of them ;-)

Here's a new version:

Deck Name : Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues
Author : Fabio Sooner
Description :

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 10 average: 7.84
------------------------------------------------------------

2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
!Brujah:3
2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
!Brujah:2
2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
Toreador:2
2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
Toreador:3
1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
Brujah:3
1x Allison Maller 4 cel pot pre
Brujah:3
1x Evangeline 4 cel pot pre
!Brujah:2
1x Antoinette DuChamp 1 cel pre
Caitiff:2


Library [91 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Action [4]
4x Flurry of Action

Action Modifier [26]
1x Awe
5x Bewitching Oration
4x Change of Target
4x Crocodile's Tongue
6x Iron Glare
6x Voter Captivation

Action Modifier/Reaction [6]
6x Scalpel Tongue

Combat [13]
3x Concealed Weapon
4x Majesty
6x Pursuit

Equipment [4]
4x .44 Magnum

Master [14]
1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
1x Creepshow Casino
1x Information Highway
8x Minion Tap
3x Zillah's Valley

Political Action [20]
1x Ancient Influence
6x Conservative Agitation
1x Disputed Territory
10x Kine Resources Contested
1x Parity Shift
1x Reins of Power

Reaction [4]
4x Telepathic Misdirection


Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Wed Mar 30 08:27:41 2005]


Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
Giovanni Newsletter Editor
-----------------------------------------------------
V for Vendetta on the big screen!
http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/

 

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Fabio "Sooner" Macedo wrote:
> [snip]
> >Good luck with the deck, however it turns out!
> >cmb
>
> Too many wonderful suggestions, I couldn't keep myself from using
> almost all of them ;-)
>
> Here's a new version:
>
> Deck Name : Fear their Glares, Beware their Tongues
> Author : Fabio Sooner
> Description :
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 10 average: 7.84
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop
> !Brujah:3
> 2x Salinger 9 CEL POT PRE tha archbishop
> !Brujah:2
> 2x Francois Villon 10 AUS CEL PRE chi obf pot prince
> Toreador:2
> 2x Madame Guil 10 AUS CEL PRE for pot ser justicar
> Toreador:3
> 1x Tyler 9 CEL POT PRE dom for obt primogen
> Brujah:3
> 1x Allison Maller 4 cel pot pre
> Brujah:3
> 1x Evangeline 4 cel pot pre
> !Brujah:2
> 1x Antoinette DuChamp 1 cel pre
> Caitiff:2
>
>
> Library [91 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Action [4]
> 4x Flurry of Action
>
> Action Modifier [26]
> 1x Awe
> 5x Bewitching Oration
> 4x Change of Target
> 4x Crocodile's Tongue

what? For your TWO minions that have it?

> 6x Iron Glare
> 6x Voter Captivation

this is the extent of your bloat (+ minion tap). Very dangerous.
Especially considering your reactions are limited to having and keeping
your 4 of 12 minions in the crypt with AUS untapped.

and where's all that hot stealth people were suggesting you add?

> Action Modifier/Reaction [6]
> 6x Scalpel Tongue
>
> Combat [13]
> 3x Concealed Weapon
> 4x Majesty
> 6x Pursuit
>
> Equipment [4]
> 4x .44 Magnum

3 concealed and 4 guns = not gonna' pull that combo off often. Axe all
seven and add 5 more transient combat and maybe 2 masters (
>
> Master [14]
> 1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
> 1x Creepshow Casino
> 1x Information Highway
> 8x Minion Tap
> 3x Zillah's Valley

a bit low for the few minions and actions you'll be taking every turn.
Try adding one to three more.

> Political Action [20]
> 1x Ancient Influence
> 6x Conservative Agitation

few less perhaps and diversify on political actions. what though?

> 1x Disputed Territory
> 10x Kine Resources Contested
> 1x Parity Shift
> 1x Reins of Power
>
> Reaction [4]
> 4x Telepathic Misdirection

Once again... not much AUS.

Its a bit of a tool box now that you've slid in the flurries, but I
like the concept so far. I've seen many a deck build just around iron
glare and the scalpel tongue angle might work out well, but itmight
force the deck into too much of a vote angle, which is what your deck
has now. No complaints really on that shift.