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Anonymous
April 11, 2005 11:49:36 PM

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Deck Name : College of Cardinals
Author : cmb
Description :
The deck is beautiful in its simplicity as it is based around the
highly
popular obfuscate/presence vote model. Use the Cardinal Benedictions
to
gain pool and vote lock. Each of the high-cap vampires has an amazing
special (people will fear you until they figure out you aren't a
combat
threat). Confusion of the Eye is so good it's broken. You can use
this
base model to branch out in several different ways (especially if you
wanted a larger, more robust combat module), but I tried to stick to
the
basics around focused Sabbat stealthy vote/bloat. It succeeds more
than it loses.

Its primary problem is its speed (it's fatally slow to start). If you
get in front of a power bleeder, it's game over unless you're very
lucky.

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 10 average: 7.75
------------------------------------------------------------

2x Cailean 10 ANI OBF POT PRE dom archbishop
!Nosferatu:2
2x Marthe Dizier 10 AUS CEL OBF PRE pro
!Toreador:3
2x Aristotle de Laure 9 AUS DEM OBF PRE pot
!Malkavian:3
2x Doctor Streck 8 CEL OBF PRE aus pot !Brujah:3
1x Zachary 7 CEL OBF PRO for pre !Gangrel:2
1x Cristos Mantigo 5 aus cel dom obf pre
!Toreador:3
1x Tock 4 obf pot pre
!Nosferatu:3
1x Lena Rowe 3 aus obf pre Pander:2


Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Action [3]
3x Creation Rites

Action Modifier [31]
8x Bewitching Oration
6x Elder Impersonation
3x Faceless Night
5x Forgotten Labyrinth
9x Voter Captivation

Combat [6]
6x Majesty

Master [14]
1x Creepshow Casino
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Information Highway
7x Minion Tap
1x Powerbase: Madrid
1x Protected Resources
1x Sudden Reversal
1x Zillah's Valley

Political Action [26]
9x Cardinal Benediction
3x Conservative Agitation
2x Disputed Territory
11x Kine Resources Contested
1x Political Stranglehold

Reaction [10]
3x Confusion of the Eye
2x Telepathic Misdirection
5x Wake with Evening's Freshness


Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder.

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Anonymous
April 12, 2005 5:49:34 AM

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Why not use the Cardinal Werewolf, "Harzomatuili". He is very
expensive, but you make enough pool. And he is a one card, +1 intercept
wall.
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 6:03:15 AM

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cmberry@purdue.edu wrote:
> Deck Name : College of Cardinals
> Author : cmb
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 10 average: 7.75
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2x Cailean 10 ANI OBF POT PRE dom archbishop
> !Nosferatu:2
> 2x Marthe Dizier 10 AUS CEL OBF PRE pro
> !Toreador:3
> 2x Aristotle de Laure 9 AUS DEM OBF PRE pot
> !Malkavian:3
> 2x Doctor Streck 8 CEL OBF PRE aus pot
!Brujah:3
> 1x Zachary 7 CEL OBF PRO for pre
!Gangrel:2
> 1x Cristos Mantigo 5 aus cel dom obf pre
> !Toreador:3
> 1x Tock 4 obf pot pre
> !Nosferatu:3
> 1x Lena Rowe 3 aus obf pre Pander:2

While Cailean's special just plain rocks, I wonder if a G3/4 crypt
might work:

Marcus Vitel (OBF POT PRE)
Marthe Dizier (AUS OBF PRE)
Aristotle de Laurent (AUS OBF PRE pot)
Alicia Barrows (AUS OBF POT PRE)
Antonia Veradas (POT PRE obf)
Ezekiel, Lord of Montreal (PRE obf pot)
Tock (obf pot pre)

You could work some serious Iron Glare action with this crypt. Maybe
even some Thrown Gates for combat hitback/evasion too.

Jeff
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Anonymous
April 12, 2005 6:57:05 AM

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> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 10 average: 7.75
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>

<snip> No Greta Kircher? She only costs 7, has PRE and obf and a very
useful ability (especially against weenie bleed decks).

> Library [90 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Action [3]
> 3x Creation Rites

I'd ditch these. Or put in some Cloak the Gathernig to help make the
babies useful... with no discipline cards or anything in the deck,
these guys are going to get blocked a lot (Creepshow will help but
cannot be consistently relied upon, as it is one card in 90 and may be
contested). They can serve as chump blockers I guess, but if you have
vote lock (likely) then I think you'd rather spend an action on a KRC
than making a baby who may well get killed on his first action.

> Action Modifier [31]
> 8x Bewitching Oration
> 6x Elder Impersonation
> 3x Faceless Night
> 5x Forgotten Labyrinth
> 9x Voter Captivation

Swap around some of these cards for Cloaks (see above) or Swallowed by
the Night (see below).

> Combat [6]
> 6x Majesty

wow... maybe you have a very different metagame to mine, but where I
play, a deck with six majesties as its entire combat defense is in big
big trouble...
you have no manuevers, so will be killed by a Grapple/Disarm deck. Also
no long range stuff, so will also be killed by a guns/psyche deck. I
would put in some Swallowed by the Nights to get you away from grapples
(won't save you against a Nos DotB/grapple deck, but not much will),
very versatile card. Without much cel or pot, surviving against a
long-range combat deck (guns or quietus) will be hard; Majesty will
help but they will most likely Psyche.
Secure Haven should also be in there (but may well be contested, again
depending on your metagame).

> Master [14]
> 1x Creepshow Casino
> 1x Dreams of the Sphinx
> 1x Information Highway
> 7x Minion Tap
> 1x Powerbase: Madrid
> 1x Protected Resources
> 1x Sudden Reversal
> 1x Zillah's Valley

I'd take out the Reversal and the Valley for a Secure Haven and maybe a
Perfectionist. If you're Tapping guys for lots of blood, you want a way
to get some back onto the vampires (especially if you're playing blood
for Forgotten Labyrinth).

> Political Action [26]
> 9x Cardinal Benediction
> 3x Conservative Agitation
> 2x Disputed Territory
> 11x Kine Resources Contested
> 1x Political Stranglehold

yeah looks good. Maybe one less Benediction? Once you've made two
cardinals you should have vote lock (with the vote from the card that's
7, plus the Bewitchings). The Disputeds will hopefully let you get a
hunting ground.

> Reaction [10]
> 3x Confusion of the Eye
> 2x Telepathic Misdirection
> 5x Wake with Evening's Freshness

A couple more TeleMisdirections would be very helpful. Not sure how you
can make room for it... if you get rid of the three Creation Rites
(which I think would be a good idea) then there you go.
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 9:44:05 AM

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Anthelios the Red Star is always good when cards like Minion Tap is key
to your game. Once you play one Minion Tap, all you need to do is draw
another master card.
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 5:07:59 PM

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I thought about including him because he's really quite good. I
hesitate to spend so much pool on an ally I can't defend or steal back.
I'll experiment with him, though. :) 

cmb
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 5:11:43 PM

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I really, really contemplated the 3/4 crypt because Alicia Barrows is
so very, very good. Ultimately I thought I needed the more combat
threatening combo of Cailean & Dizier. I rely on the perception that
I'm a combat deck to hold off on early rushes that will destroy me
before I'm set up. I hadn't considered using Thrown Gates, since
Majesty is more elegant and will untap me, but I'll rebuild and try out
the 3/4 Thrown Gate version and let you know how it goes.

Thanks for the ideas,

cmb
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 6:11:40 PM

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Dasein wrote:
> <snip> No Greta Kircher? She only costs 7, has PRE and obf and a very
> useful ability (especially against weenie bleed decks).

I considered Greta. She is great! However, my metagame has massive,
massive intercept, and so ultimately Zachary with his OBF pre and
greater perceived combat threat won out over Greta's PRE obf and "come
and kill me" aura, in spite of her fantastic special. I agree she's
great for the deck, though. Ultimately I chose OBF.


> > Library [90 cards]
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Action [3]
> > 3x Creation Rites
>
> I'd ditch these. Or put in some Cloak the Gathernig to help make the
> babies useful... with no discipline cards or anything in the deck,
> these guys are going to get blocked a lot

They're there to draw out wakes and go to torpor while getting rid of
political actions that might clog my hand. (As well as to be chump
blockers for rushes.) The original conception of the deck had Cloaks
instead of Faceless Night; ultimately, I swapped them. I'd get rid of
Creation Rites, but the deck needs weenies to take political actions.
I am pondering swapping one of them for Mylan.

> > Action Modifier [31]
> > 8x Bewitching Oration
> > 6x Elder Impersonation
> > 3x Faceless Night
> > 5x Forgotten Labyrinth
> > 9x Voter Captivation
>
> Swap around some of these cards for Cloaks (see above) or Swallowed
by
> the Night (see below).

The stealth would be too diluted then. I'd rather punish those who
leave themselves untapped to futilly try to block than Cloak my
weenies. The original conception did use Cloaks, but I never *used*
them. Swallowed would be a very good change, and I'm thinking about
it.

> > Combat [6]
> > 6x Majesty
>
> wow... maybe you have a very different metagame to mine, but where I
> play, a deck with six majesties as its entire combat defense is in
big
> big trouble...

I doubt there's a major metagame difference (perhaps aside from our
metagame having far, far too much intercept in it). Metagame
considerations took a back seat to available space, so I chose the most
elegant combat solution available. More often than 6 Majesties, I'm
banking on people not rushing Caliean or Marthe. If they don't know
what my hand contains, those minions are often a big enough combat
threat that only the insane would rush them. (Note that their specials
also mitigate some combat factors -- lack of maneuvers and low numbers
of Majesty, for instance.)

Also, I'm almost always full of blood; even if they hit me really,
really hard, I generally don't care. Agravated damage is a threat,
but, hey, sometimes you just lose.

> > Master [14]
> > 1x Creepshow Casino
> > 1x Dreams of the Sphinx
> > 1x Information Highway
> > 7x Minion Tap
> > 1x Powerbase: Madrid
> > 1x Protected Resources
> > 1x Sudden Reversal
> > 1x Zillah's Valley
>
> I'd take out the Reversal and the Valley for a Secure Haven and maybe
a
> Perfectionist. If you're Tapping guys for lots of blood, you want a
way
> to get some back onto the vampires (especially if you're playing
blood
> for Forgotten Labyrinth).

Perfectionist has never gotten me a blood. Ever. I don't use it. I
get blood back on vampires through Voter Cap. (Cardinal Benediction +
voter cap virtually always nets me 5 blood + 2 pool.)

> > Political Action [26]
> > 9x Cardinal Benediction
> > 3x Conservative Agitation
> > 2x Disputed Territory
> > 11x Kine Resources Contested
> > 1x Political Stranglehold
>
> yeah looks good. Maybe one less Benediction? Once you've made two
> cardinals you should have vote lock (with the vote from the card
that's
> 7, plus the Bewitchings). The Disputeds will hopefully let you get a
> hunting ground.

The extra Benedictions are for pool gain, not more cardinals. :)  I
actually prefer getting intercept locations to hunting grounds. I
don't care if other people have blood on them, and I'm almost always
full anyway. I'm pondering adding a couple Diversity for more pool
gain, but don't know where I'll find the space (I don't want to lose
too many Benedictions).

> > Reaction [10]
> > 3x Confusion of the Eye
> > 2x Telepathic Misdirection
> > 5x Wake with Evening's Freshness
>
> A couple more TeleMisdirections would be very helpful. Not sure how
you
> can make room for it... if you get rid of the three Creation Rites
> (which I think would be a good idea) then there you go.

I agree: more misdirections would be amazingly good. I'm pondering
swapping the Creation Rites for some more...but I really like the
little guys. They make the deck flow like butter.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try a couple different alignments to
see which works better, but it's more solid than it looks.

cmb
Anonymous
April 13, 2005 12:43:09 AM

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cmb wrote:

>Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 10 average: 7.75
>------------------------------------------------------------

>2x Cailean 10 ANI OBF POT PRE dom archbishop
>!Nosferatu:2
>2x Marthe Dizier 10 AUS CEL OBF PRE pro
>!Toreador:3
>2x Aristotle de Laure 9 AUS DEM OBF PRE pot
>!Malkavian:3
>2x Doctor Streck 8 CEL OBF PRE aus pot !Brujah:3
>1x Zachary 7 CEL OBF PRO for pre !Gangrel:2
>1x Cristos Mantigo 5 aus cel dom obf pre
>!Toreador:3
>1x Tock 4 obf pot pre
>!Nosferatu:3
>1x Lena Rowe 3 aus obf pre Pander:2

I would use this crypt:


2x Greta Kircher Toreador antitribu 7
Antonio Veradas Brujah antitribu 8
2x Doctor Streck Brujah antitribu 8
2x Howler Ahrimanes 8
Aristotle de Laurent Malkavian antitribu 9
2x Cailean Nosferatu antitribu 10
2x Marthe Dizier

That makes all of them potential Cardinals, and they all have PRE.

or not

Jay
!