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Anonymous
September 4, 2005 12:59:22 PM

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I'm curious to hear if you folks have observed any pairings of PC
builds that work together extremely well, boosting each other's
strengths and covering for each others' weaknesses. Teamwork is always
a good idea in this game, but are there any tactical combinations
you've seen that look almost too good?

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Anonymous
September 4, 2005 4:34:45 PM

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emmitsvenson@hotmail.com wrote:

> I'm curious to hear if you folks have observed any pairings of PC
> builds that work together extremely well, boosting each other's
> strengths and covering for each others' weaknesses. Teamwork is always
> a good idea in this game, but are there any tactical combinations
> you've seen that look almost too good?

There's the obvious human member of house Cannith Artificer paired with
a Warforged fighter.

Someone mentioned two feytouched rogues both of whom have Nymph's Kiss
with each other as fey lovers.
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 10:19:42 PM

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I've seen a very effective dwarf fighter/elven cleric pair...the cleric
hides behind the fighter to buff and heal, while the fighter focuses on
taking/avoiding hits thus wearing down the enamys over time....its
pretty simple but it works. I don't know about two good however.

The one group I've seen that seemed TOO good was 5 people that are now
refered to as the Nuclear Elves of Tusmit. They where at a Living
Greyhawk convention I went to. Their from Tusmit (real world Quebec,
Canada) and 4 of them where wood elves focused compleatly on killing
stuff: Spiked chaines, massive dammage and to hit bonuses, but no
saving throughs, skills or HP. The final member was a dwarf mage that
cast bulls streanth and enlarge person on the rest. They where about
3-4th level, becuse they rarly played that group of characters becuse
they wheren't that fun to roleplay, and would die from any higher level
spells, but they just slaghtered evrything at APL 4 (avrage party
level: 4)
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Anonymous
September 5, 2005 12:37:57 AM

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One warrior type, once wizard type, one cleric type, and one rogue
type.

Gerald Katz
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 4:35:51 AM

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emmitsvenson@hotmail.com wrote:
> I'm curious to hear if you folks have observed any pairings of PC
> builds that work together extremely well, boosting each other's
> strengths and covering for each others' weaknesses. Teamwork is always
> a good idea in this game, but are there any tactical combinations
> you've seen that look almost too good?

Monk + Rogue is really excellent. Whether grappling, stunning, or just
flanking, the Monk can give the Rogue a lot of opportunities to use
Sneak Attack. Most nasties ust don't last that long when they're locked
in a grapple and suffering full sneak attacks from a rogue every round.

Laszlo
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 8:18:37 AM

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Hadsil <forumite@netzero.com> wrote:
>One warrior type, once wizard type, one cleric type, and one rogue
>type.

You stinkin' munchkins are ruining the game for the rest of us.

Pete
Anonymous
September 6, 2005 11:15:03 AM

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Werebat wrote:
> There's the obvious human member of house Cannith Artificer paired with
> a Warforged fighter.
>
> Someone mentioned two feytouched rogues both of whom have Nymph's Kiss
> with each other as fey lovers.

I'm not too familiar with those supplements. Is it an Artificer and any
Warforged warrior that's especially good, or do all those fighter feats
make that a special combo? What's the advantage of the feytouched
rogues?
Anonymous
September 6, 2005 11:18:33 AM

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chaoslight@gmail.com wrote:
> Monk + Rogue is really excellent. Whether grappling, stunning, or just
> flanking, the Monk can give the Rogue a lot of opportunities to use
> Sneak Attack. Most nasties ust don't last that long when they're locked
> in a grapple and suffering full sneak attacks from a rogue every round.

It sounds like a pair that boosts each other's strengths, but doesn't
cover each other's weaknesses. Wouldn't they have a big problem with
damage-resistant constructs, for example? Or with fairly common types
of undead?
Anonymous
September 7, 2005 3:47:46 AM

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emmitsvenson@hotmail.com wrote:
> Werebat wrote:
>
>> There's the obvious human member of house Cannith Artificer paired with
>> a Warforged fighter.
>
> I'm not too familiar with those supplements. Is it an Artificer and any
> Warforged warrior that's especially good, or do all those fighter feats
> make that a special combo?

Any warforged warrior, really. The Artificer's repair damage spells heal a
warforged fully (they receive only half benefit from healing spells), plus their
infusions are very helpful.

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Anonymous
September 7, 2005 10:42:25 AM

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emmitsvenson@hotmail.com wrote:
> chaoslight@gmail.com wrote:
> > Monk + Rogue is really excellent. Whether grappling, stunning, or just
> > flanking, the Monk can give the Rogue a lot of opportunities to use
> > Sneak Attack. Most nasties ust don't last that long when they're locked
> > in a grapple and suffering full sneak attacks from a rogue every round.
>
> It sounds like a pair that boosts each other's strengths, but doesn't
> cover each other's weaknesses. Wouldn't they have a big problem with
> damage-resistant constructs, for example? Or with fairly common types
> of undead?

Yes, they would. That's what the rest of the party is for. :) 

For the record, I think a perfect 4-man party would look like this
(assuming you want the party tzo be workable at all levels from 1-20):

Monk
Rogue (possibly multiclassed with Ranger or Barbarian)
Cleric (high-str build, focusing on buffing and combat)
Wizard

You'll note the lack of a full-BAB character. The Monk, Cleric, and
Rogue together have enough melee capability to make a "tank" largely
unnecessary.

Laszlo
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 12:56:39 AM

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chaoslight@gmail.com <chaoslight@gmail.com> wrote:
> Monk + Rogue is really excellent. Whether grappling, stunning, or just
> flanking, the Monk can give the Rogue a lot of opportunities to use
> Sneak Attack. Most nasties ust don't last that long when they're locked
> in a grapple and suffering full sneak attacks from a rogue every round.

Druid + rogue also works, for similar reasons. Druid uses wild shape to
grapple foes; rogue uses sneak attack to finish them off.
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Anonymous
September 9, 2005 2:20:45 AM

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David Alex Lamb wrote:
> NK requires that your character maintain an intimate relationship with a good
> fey, many of whom are limited in how far they can move from a designated place
> e.g dryad, thus making it hard to both adventure and maintain the NK benefits.
> Feytouched count as fey IIRC and the two are accompanying each other, and
> presumably maintaining the relationship.
> --
> "Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
> http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/ qucis->cs to reply (it's a long story...)

Nymph's Kiss does not require you to maintain within a specific
distance of the fey, nor does it require the fey to travel with you.
"Intimate" doesn't have to mean sexual, either. Also, there's no
prerequisite of "must first befriend a fey". The feat can be taken at
first level, and it just presumes you already have such a fey friend.
Taken later doesn't mean you have to first befriend a fey. It can jsut
as easily mean a fey has heard of you, taken a liking to you, and
initiates the friendship (or more) which you accept by virtue of taking
the feat.

Gerald Katz
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 5:12:37 AM

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In article <1126016103.164185.80500@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<emmitsvenson@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Werebat wrote:
>> Someone mentioned two feytouched rogues both of whom have Nymph's Kiss
>> with each other as fey lovers.
>
>I'm not too familiar with those supplements. Is it an Artificer and any
>Warforged warrior that's especially good, or do all those fighter feats
>make that a special combo? What's the advantage of the feytouched
>rogues?

NK requires that your character maintain an intimate relationship with a good
fey, many of whom are limited in how far they can move from a designated place
e.g dryad, thus making it hard to both adventure and maintain the NK benefits.
Feytouched count as fey IIRC and the two are accompanying each other, and
presumably maintaining the relationship.
--
"Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/ qucis->cs to reply (it's a long story...)
Anonymous
September 10, 2005 3:32:51 AM

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In article <1126243245.291205.145590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Hadsil <forumite@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>David Alex Lamb wrote:
>> NK requires that your character maintain an intimate relationship with a good
>> fey, many of whom are limited in how far they can move from a designated place
>> e.g dryad, thus making it hard to both adventure and maintain the NK benefits.
>> Feytouched count as fey IIRC and the two are accompanying each other, and
>> presumably maintaining the relationship.
>> --
>> "Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
>> http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/ qucis->cs to reply (it's a long story...)
>
>Nymph's Kiss does not require you to maintain within a specific
>distance of the fey, nor does it require the fey to travel with you.
>"Intimate" doesn't have to mean sexual, either. Also, there's no
>prerequisite of "must first befriend a fey". The feat can be taken at
>first level, and it just presumes you already have such a fey friend.
>Taken later doesn't mean you have to first befriend a fey. It can jsut
>as easily mean a fey has heard of you, taken a liking to you, and
>initiates the friendship (or more) which you accept by virtue of taking
>the feat.

That's certainly one plausible interpretation. I don't agree with it because
(1) it seems to me that NK is overpowered as a feat even just looking at the
skill bonus, and the relationship was meant to be a "roleplaying restriction"
on the character. Your interpretation doesn't seem to be enough of a
penalty. (2) The two feytouched characters' players seem not to take your
interpretation.

Not that roleplaying restrictions are all that great. Several readers here
have rejected NK for this reason, or that even with the restriction it was too
powerful for them.
--
"Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/ qucis->cs to reply (it's a long story...)
Anonymous
September 10, 2005 3:48:21 PM

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marc wrote:

> For the really exotic encounters, I'd like to team the druid up with a
> wizard with divination abilities. Or maybe a cleric. Best bet would be a
> wizard with one or two cleric levels to provide healing wands, and buffs.
> THe more mundane classes really pale in comparison with the druid, I've
> found.

Huh? WTF would the Wizard want a cleric level?!?

He's teamed with a druid, and you can cooperate on magic item
construction. Do Druids in your world not only not have access
to Craft wand at level 6 but ALSO not get CLW at level 1?

A Wiz5 + a Drd5 can make CLW wands far better than a
Wiz4/Crc1 + Drd5 (HINT: only one of these two groups can even
have the craft wand feat, and by Level 6 a Drd can take it).

DougL
September 10, 2005 10:15:13 PM

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"Bradd W. Szonye" <bradd+news@szonye.com> wrote in
news:slrndi19c7.vm.bradd+news@szonye.com:

> chaoslight@gmail.com <chaoslight@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Monk + Rogue is really excellent. Whether grappling, stunning, or just
>> flanking, the Monk can give the Rogue a lot of opportunities to use
>> Sneak Attack. Most nasties ust don't last that long when they're locked
>> in a grapple and suffering full sneak attacks from a rogue every round.
>
> Druid + rogue also works, for similar reasons. Druid uses wild shape to
> grapple foes; rogue uses sneak attack to finish them off.

If it's an outside setting, I'd say that a druid could handle pretty much
anything. Especially if she had the natural spell feat. I found that the
summon monster spell coupled with the animal growth spell makes fighter
types irrellevant unless the DM is really into springing surprise
encounters on the druid. For such times, she has an animal companion
around to eat whatever stumbles down the deer path.

For the really exotic encounters, I'd like to team the druid up with a
wizard with divination abilities. Or maybe a cleric. Best bet would be a
wizard with one or two cleric levels to provide healing wands, and buffs.
THe more mundane classes really pale in comparison with the druid, I've
found.


oh man, did the dice ever love that druid...
marc
Anonymous
September 11, 2005 5:49:57 PM

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David Alex Lamb wrote:
> In article <1126243245.291205.145590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> Hadsil <forumite@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>>David Alex Lamb wrote:
>>
>>>NK requires that your character maintain an intimate relationship with a good
>>>fey, many of whom are limited in how far they can move from a designated place
>>>e.g dryad, thus making it hard to both adventure and maintain the NK benefits.
>>>Feytouched count as fey IIRC and the two are accompanying each other, and
>>>presumably maintaining the relationship.
>>>--
>>>"Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
>>>http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/ qucis->cs to reply (it's a long story...)
>>
>>Nymph's Kiss does not require you to maintain within a specific
>>distance of the fey, nor does it require the fey to travel with you.
>>"Intimate" doesn't have to mean sexual, either. Also, there's no
>>prerequisite of "must first befriend a fey". The feat can be taken at
>>first level, and it just presumes you already have such a fey friend.
>>Taken later doesn't mean you have to first befriend a fey. It can jsut
>>as easily mean a fey has heard of you, taken a liking to you, and
>>initiates the friendship (or more) which you accept by virtue of taking
>>the feat.
>
>
> That's certainly one plausible interpretation. I don't agree with it because
> (1) it seems to me that NK is overpowered as a feat even just looking at the
> skill bonus, and the relationship was meant to be a "roleplaying restriction"
> on the character. Your interpretation doesn't seem to be enough of a
> penalty. (2) The two feytouched characters' players seem not to take your
> interpretation.
>
> Not that roleplaying restrictions are all that great. Several readers here
> have rejected NK for this reason, or that even with the restriction it was too
> powerful for them.

Yep. It's a borked feat, and such an obviously borked feat that someone
was clearly asleep at the wheel when BoED was published.

- Ron ^*^
September 11, 2005 8:36:36 PM

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"DougL" <lampert.doug@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1126378101.886468.33500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> marc wrote:
>
>> For the really exotic encounters, I'd like to team the druid up with
>> a wizard with divination abilities. Or maybe a cleric. Best bet
>> would be a wizard with one or two cleric levels to provide healing
>> wands, and buffs. THe more mundane classes really pale in comparison
>> with the druid, I've found.
>
> Huh? WTF would the Wizard want a cleric level?!?
>
> He's teamed with a druid, and you can cooperate on magic item
> construction. Do Druids in your world not only not have access
> to Craft wand at level 6 but ALSO not get CLW at level 1?
>
> A Wiz5 + a Drd5 can make CLW wands far better than a
> Wiz4/Crc1 + Drd5 (HINT: only one of these two groups can even
> have the craft wand feat, and by Level 6 a Drd can take it).
>
> DougL
>
>

I didn't know you could use someone else's feats to create magic items.
We've never played that way, so item creation never really factored in.
The wiz would take some cleric levels to better relate to his divine
friend, and get some really sweet domain powers along with another
spell which would allow the group to use almost any scroll or wand they
picked up as loot.

anyways, with the druid focusing on summonning, she almost never enters
combat herself, I think it'd be better to buy the CLW wand rather than
spend a feat on it which could be better used on something like
augmented summoning, or scribing scrolls (though if you can combine item
creation feats between characters, the druid could just dictate to the
wizard/cleric who would make them.) So the druid might take some of the
other nifty feats out there.
Anonymous
September 11, 2005 9:06:08 PM

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marc wrote:

>
> I didn't know you could use someone else's feats to create magic items.
> We've never played that way, so item creation never really factored in.
> The wiz would take some cleric levels to better relate to his divine
> friend, and get some really sweet domain powers along with another
> spell which would allow the group to use almost any scroll or wand they
> picked up as loot.
>
>

Indeed. The creation of a magic item doesn't care where the spell
requisites come from, only that they be provided. Anyone can also pay
the gp cost. The XP cot, however, must come from the character who has
the feat. If a wizard and cleric both have the appropriate feat in a
cooperative magic item creation, one of them must be declared the
"creator" of the item to spend the XP.

Gerald Katz
Anonymous
September 12, 2005 7:24:45 AM

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Hadsil <forumite@netzero.com> wrote:
> The creation of a magic item doesn't care where the spell requisites
> come from, only that they be provided. Anyone can also pay the gp
> cost. The XP cot, however, must come from the character who has the
> feat.

Incorrect; the XP can come from anyone who supplies a prerequisite.
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