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as some of you may know, im upgrading from a ti4400 to a 9800 pro that i ordered a while ago, should be here soon. neways recently (like for hte past month or so) ive been having problems with my ti4400, mainly screen errors like white lines on the desktop and more recently an odd moving wave pattern on the screen, esp. the outside of the screen, but it only happens when a majority of the screen is displaying a very light shade, i.e. close to white, or white.
i had attributed this to my ti4400 having been overclocked for a long time, so i stopped overclocking it, but the problem didnt go away, and even got worse.

but today, just out of curiosity, i lowered my monitors brightness and POOF! all the crazy waviness going on was completely eliminated! WTF?! this makes me think it might not be my vid card, of course it still could be...

also when this first started happening it would only happen for the first 5 minutes after booting, then 10 minutes... and now it dosnt even go away (apart from lowering the brightness).

i unplugged my monitors vga cable and stuck my tongue on it (the monitor still had power) and i could feel some current, less than that of a 9v battery, but noticeable.
should there be any current flowing OUT of the monitor, to the vga card? or am i mistaking something?

the reason im posting this is because im afraid that if the problem lies in my monitor, it could cause damage to my 9800 pro, as it possibly has to my ti4400.

its a 19" MAG 986fx (if u know mag then u know its fairly cheap, but it does its job and runs 1600x1200 and looks pretty good, but if its screwin with my video, its gonna get blasted with a shotgun.)

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Sure Will, I'll do that as soon as I'm done sticking my tongue into my running garbage disposal....I'll get back to you...<shaking head>

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Perhaps you guys know more about this than I, but I have read that you are not supposed to take apart monitors or power supplies--unless you know what the hell you are doing. I have read that people have died taking apart power supplied--although I have robbed the fans out of a few old one myself. The monitor still having some current may not be normal, but the hell if I am going to stick my tongue on one... well, only on the screen when viewing porn...

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If I had this problem, I would write a PM to Teq. He's the monitor expert here.


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my old boss used to take apart power supplies all the time, and he didnt take any measures to prevent , er, death when he did...

just opened it, replaced what was needed (usually a fan :p )






Williams problem seems like what my TV does. when the picture is all white the sound makes a hissing sound and during a scene where theres any white, it somewhat distorts the sound and the white oversaturates and covers other colors..


maybe its not your video card?

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dude, is your card an MSI Geforce 4 Ti 4400?

i had problems very similar to that. the screen had glitches and lines. and my computer was crashing as a result.

many other MSI 4400 owners had the same problems.

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oh yeah, can i have your old card?

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sinse you think its defective..

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I've seen a kid go flying back b/c the voltage in a CRT (he took it apart and had no idea what he was doing). Hmm, as for power supplies, 110V can kill u, but I've been shocked by it for like 5 seconds, and I'm fine






damn, wish my finger would stop glowing.

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yeah crts can do that. they hold a charge so that the tube doesnt have to warm up...

i remember a really old TV that had to warm up.. the picture came on slowly after about 20 seconds...not like todays monitors and TVs



how badly was teh kid hurt btw?

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no, actually its a visiontek.
and guys, i wasnt taking my monitor apart, theres no dangerous voltage levels on the vga cable ok?
ty neways though.
link me to somewhere where tek has posted, so i can pm him, or give me his email.
im 50/50 on weather its the monitor or vid card, well find out soon though when i get my 9800 pro, if it still does it, its the monitor, if not, its the vid card.
it would take me quite a while to save up enough to replace the monitor:( 
i would have to use a crappy old 15" from someone, MAYBE a crappy old 17"
either way, thats no way to enjoy the 9800 pro:( 

to donate to the help The_OC_King (also known as Willamette_Sucks on the THG forum) get a new monitor that dosnt jack up his vid card fund, send check or money order to 5378 N. GIVEME$ Street, or gimme some cizzash via paypal.

ty for your continued support.

Long live ATI.

hey WS,

I checked the vga cable on my monitor with a Multimeter and got 9v also .... kinda reluctant to stick my tongue on it though.

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Your wasting your money on a big vid card & a crap monitor. Even if it does clear up the problem, you'll never see what the vid card can show you. CRT's have came so far that it's silly to mess with any good vid cards on an old monitor.

In Nov. I built a new machine. I'd been running a Geforce 2 Ultra for over a year on my 2 year old KoMoDo Monitor. The first thing I bought was a Viewsonic a90f+ monitor after reading about CRT's here on <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/display/20011128/index.html" target="_new">Toms.</A> I had to see how it looked. Well when I hooked it up it was like I bought a new vid card for my old machine instead of a monitor. I'd been running that vid card for over a year & never was able to see how good my vid card actually was until I got a high quality monitor. I learned my lesson & Tom was right in his article about CRT's.

Now that monitor is ran by a TI4600 & it is truly awesome in games. That's what I do is game. So I thought I'll look at it on the KoMoDo again. What a crap look on it. Might as well be running a MX vid card cause that's what it looks like. Yep without a high quality monitor you might just as well run a MX card because that's all you going to get looks wise on an old CRT.

If it ain't broke, take it apart & see why not!

ive been knocked on the floor from a CRT. It had been left off for about 2 hours and I began to take it apart to scavenge for some parts. Anyway I cut the HV cable going into the top to take the pCB out and about 2 mins later got a shock from touching it and fell on the floor with a small burn. It turns out a CRT can act as a massive capacitor because it has two conductors within a vacuum (the cable on the top and pins at end) and so is basically a very big capacitor.

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my monitor is not old for one thing, its about a year and a half old, and LIKE I SAID "IT LOOKS GOOD!" and runs 1600x1200 which is WHAT I WANT! (albeit at 60hz, but on my particular monitor and in games 60hz at that res is PERFECTLY acceptable).
my monitor is sharp and has good color and good contrast and brightness and the works, IT IS FINE! i can see plenty of freaking detail the way its meant to be seen in games, so suck a cock, and i will definately be happy with the 9800 pro.
I was merely pointing out that fact that because it was inexpensive, i wouldnt be extremely surprised if something DID go wrong with it, although so far, i dont think there is anything wrong with is (unless the crazy waviness is its fault, well see soon)

dumb.

Long live ATI.

Well I won't comment with any helpful information to you then.
Ah yes, little bitty boys & their little bitty toys, you fit that category I guess. Maturity isn't one of your traits.

If it ain't broke, take it apart & see why not!

I don't know the exact situation of you but I just state my situation here for your reference. Previously I spend much money on upgrading my computer including changing my display card from Geforce2 MX400 to TI4200. I also got the wave pattern problem. My monitor is LCD 15' (Taiwan product). No problem occur on the old Geforce2. Then I ask for the technical support to check whether the new display contain problems or not but he said the main possibility is too weak about the power supplied. I check it and the power is 230W. He said powerful display card is very power consuming. He suggest me to unplug all ROM drive power connection to see the result. It works! No wave pattern appear now that I just connect hard disk drive and floppy. I prepare to buy a more powerful power supply (~400W) to see the result later.

:cool: Let it go.

I agree with rcpilot. Although your monitor is not crap (I think he was refering to one you might have to borrow) you would be amazed what difference a good CRT makes. My mate got a belinea 19" CRT for Xmas one year and it looked OK but then I bought a Sony 19" Trinitron CRT off Ebay for my mate and it was far better - the dot pitch and refresh rate makes all the differnce. On a 17" - 19" you want less than 0.25 if possible and certainly 75 Hz is the bear minimum especially for prolonged play. I bought a really cheap (sub £100) 17" CRT once and it had a 0.38 dot pitch!! it looked like it had scanlines.

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I reread my post & guess I could have worded it differently. I didn't mean to call your monitor crap. I guess I did in a round about way. Sorry about that willamett_sucks. I meant to help not flame.

Thanks for pointing that out to me david_t.

If it ain't broke, take it apart & see why not!

Willamette is done with this problem and enjoying his new 9800Pro. Any flack you might have given him....he deserves, he gives flack to EVERYONE....but I like him, he's a really good kid(he's only 16)....

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Lol. Ok, ty Gen.
And yes this post is old and dead, but whatever.
Gen, alot of people in this forum are under 20, j00 are OVER THE HILL MAN! Same with gamers.

Neways, yes, I am enjoying my many thousands of frames per second with my 9800 pro, however, the screen errors are not gone. Also, they do not occur on the tv. Which pretty much confirms my monitor is screwed. Luckily its still under warrantee, and I found the reciept, so ill take it to Best Buy ASAP.

Im playing Unreal 2 at 1024x768 completely max settings, with 4x AA and 16x Perf. aniso, and getting better fps than i did on my TI4400 with no AA, no aniso, and slightly lower settings.
Damn.

Long live ATI.
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