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Anonymous
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a b Ô Samsung
December 19, 2004 7:17:21 AM

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Hi,

I have two identical Dimension 8100, Intel 850 - 400, 128 megs (2 x 64
megs rimms Samsung MR16R0824BN1-CK8 800-45).

The BIOS is the A09 (I run Win2K).

I've tried to upgrade the memory to 384 megs using a Kingston RIMM kit
(2 x 128 megs - KTD-DM800/128) but the system seems unable to see more
256 megs.

That's what the BIOS tell:

Slot 1: 64
Slot 2: 64
Slot 3: 64
Slot 4: 64

But the first pair of slots actually contains the two Kingston 128
Rimms and the second pair contains the two Samsung 64 Rimms.

The situation does not change if I put the Kingstons in the first pair
and two CRIMMS in the second pair: the system sees the two 128
Kingstons as if they were 64 megs RIMMS.
This happens with both my Dimension 8100.

Anybody?

Thanks

Filippo
December 19, 2004 11:52:46 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

<lippilippo@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1103458641.275905.281370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have two identical Dimension 8100, Intel 850 - 400, 128 megs (2 x 64
> megs rimms Samsung MR16R0824BN1-CK8 800-45).
>
> The BIOS is the A09 (I run Win2K).
>
> I've tried to upgrade the memory to 384 megs using a Kingston RIMM kit
> (2 x 128 megs - KTD-DM800/128) but the system seems unable to see more
> 256 megs.
>
> That's what the BIOS tell:
>
> Slot 1: 64
> Slot 2: 64
> Slot 3: 64
> Slot 4: 64
>
> But the first pair of slots actually contains the two Kingston 128
> Rimms and the second pair contains the two Samsung 64 Rimms.
>
> The situation does not change if I put the Kingstons in the first pair
> and two CRIMMS in the second pair: the system sees the two 128
> Kingstons as if they were 64 megs RIMMS.
> This happens with both my Dimension 8100.
>
> Anybody?
>
> Thanks
>
> Filippo
>

Try http://www.tritechcoa.com/product/901824.html

Uses ECC RDRAM
Craig
Anonymous
a b } Memory
a b Ô Samsung
December 19, 2004 3:28:32 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

In news:1103458641.275905.281370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
lippilippo@netscape.net <lippilippo@netscape.net> opined very noisily:
> Hi,
>
> I have two identical Dimension 8100, Intel 850 - 400, 128 megs (2 x 64
> megs rimms Samsung MR16R0824BN1-CK8 800-45).
>
> The BIOS is the A09 (I run Win2K).
>
> I've tried to upgrade the memory to 384 megs using a Kingston RIMM kit
> (2 x 128 megs - KTD-DM800/128) but the system seems unable to see more
> 256 megs.
>
> That's what the BIOS tell:
>
> Slot 1: 64
> Slot 2: 64
> Slot 3: 64
> Slot 4: 64
>
> But the first pair of slots actually contains the two Kingston 128
> Rimms and the second pair contains the two Samsung 64 Rimms.
>
> The situation does not change if I put the Kingstons in the first pair
> and two CRIMMS in the second pair: the system sees the two 128
> Kingstons as if they were 64 megs RIMMS.
> This happens with both my Dimension 8100.
>
> Anybody?
>
> Thanks
>
> Filippo

From
http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp?Mfr%2BProduc...

We're Sorry!
No products are currently available for the system you selected. Your system
may require proprietary or non-standard parts. If your system requires RDRAM
or Rambus technology click here.
Looks like you need expensive memory

:-(
--

Yddap
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Anonymous
a b } Memory
a b Ô Samsung
December 19, 2004 3:28:33 PM

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"Yddap" <yddap@spyentrailsmac.com> wrote in message
news:Qtexd.2803$Ar5.2049@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> In news:1103458641.275905.281370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
> lippilippo@netscape.net <lippilippo@netscape.net> opined very noisily:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have two identical Dimension 8100, Intel 850 - 400, 128 megs (2 x 64
>> megs rimms Samsung MR16R0824BN1-CK8 800-45).
>>
>> The BIOS is the A09 (I run Win2K).
>>
>> I've tried to upgrade the memory to 384 megs using a Kingston RIMM kit
>> (2 x 128 megs - KTD-DM800/128) but the system seems unable to see more
>> 256 megs.
>>
>> That's what the BIOS tell:
>>
>> Slot 1: 64
>> Slot 2: 64
>> Slot 3: 64
>> Slot 4: 64
>>
>> But the first pair of slots actually contains the two Kingston 128
>> Rimms and the second pair contains the two Samsung 64 Rimms.
>>
>> The situation does not change if I put the Kingstons in the first pair
>> and two CRIMMS in the second pair: the system sees the two 128
>> Kingstons as if they were 64 megs RIMMS.
>> This happens with both my Dimension 8100.
>>
>> Anybody?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Filippo
>
> From
> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp?Mfr%2BProduc...
>
> We're Sorry!
> No products are currently available for the system you selected. Your
> system may require proprietary or non-standard parts. If your system
> requires RDRAM or Rambus technology click here.
> Looks like you need expensive memory
>
> :-(
> --
>
> Yddap
> Remove guts to reply
>
>


What was your point with this post? Crucial NEVER sold RDRam, as Micron
never made it.

Tom
Anonymous
a b } Memory
a b Ô Samsung
December 19, 2004 4:48:20 PM

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"Craig" <nospam_wanted@on_the_net.com> wrote in message
news:NIfxd.15690$up.456@lakeread08...
>
> <lippilippo@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1103458641.275905.281370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have two identical Dimension 8100, Intel 850 - 400, 128 megs (2 x 64
>> megs rimms Samsung MR16R0824BN1-CK8 800-45).
>>
>> The BIOS is the A09 (I run Win2K).
>>
>> I've tried to upgrade the memory to 384 megs using a Kingston RIMM kit
>> (2 x 128 megs - KTD-DM800/128) but the system seems unable to see more
>> 256 megs.
>>
>> That's what the BIOS tell:
>>
>> Slot 1: 64
>> Slot 2: 64
>> Slot 3: 64
>> Slot 4: 64
>>
>> But the first pair of slots actually contains the two Kingston 128
>> Rimms and the second pair contains the two Samsung 64 Rimms.
>>
>> The situation does not change if I put the Kingstons in the first pair
>> and two CRIMMS in the second pair: the system sees the two 128
>> Kingstons as if they were 64 megs RIMMS.
>> This happens with both my Dimension 8100.
>>
>> Anybody?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Filippo
>>
>
> Try http://www.tritechcoa.com/product/901824.html
>
> Uses ECC RDRAM
> Craig
>
>

The Dimension 8100? No, it doesn't. It supports both, but shipped with
PC800 non-ECC.

Tom
December 19, 2004 4:59:36 PM

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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:Tfqdncb2yuz0UVjcRVn-3w@comcast.com...
>
> "Craig" <nospam_wanted@on_the_net.com> wrote in message
> news:NIfxd.15690$up.456@lakeread08...
>>
>> <lippilippo@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:1103458641.275905.281370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have two identical Dimension 8100, Intel 850 - 400, 128 megs (2 x 64
>>> megs rimms Samsung MR16R0824BN1-CK8 800-45).
>>>
>>> The BIOS is the A09 (I run Win2K).
>>>
>>> I've tried to upgrade the memory to 384 megs using a Kingston RIMM kit
>>> (2 x 128 megs - KTD-DM800/128) but the system seems unable to see more
>>> 256 megs.
>>>
>>> That's what the BIOS tell:
>>>
>>> Slot 1: 64
>>> Slot 2: 64
>>> Slot 3: 64
>>> Slot 4: 64
>>>
>>> But the first pair of slots actually contains the two Kingston 128
>>> Rimms and the second pair contains the two Samsung 64 Rimms.
>>>
>>> The situation does not change if I put the Kingstons in the first pair
>>> and two CRIMMS in the second pair: the system sees the two 128
>>> Kingstons as if they were 64 megs RIMMS.
>>> This happens with both my Dimension 8100.
>>>
>>> Anybody?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Filippo
>>>
>>
>> Try http://www.tritechcoa.com/product/901824.html
>>
>> Uses ECC RDRAM
>> Craig
>>
>>
>
> The Dimension 8100? No, it doesn't. It supports both, but shipped with
> PC800 non-ECC.
>
> Tom
>
Right it supports both...as per website it can also use ECC-RDRAM ..I did
not say
the DELL Dimension ships with this type of RAM. If one wants to use
ECC-RDRAM
in that computer a simple change in bios is all it takes.

Craig
December 19, 2004 5:05:52 PM

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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:Tfqdncb2yuz0UVjcRVn-3w@comcast.com...
>
> "Craig" <nospam_wanted@on_the_net.com> wrote in message
> news:NIfxd.15690$up.456@lakeread08...
>>
>> <lippilippo@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:1103458641.275905.281370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have two identical Dimension 8100, Intel 850 - 400, 128 megs (2 x 64
>>> megs rimms Samsung MR16R0824BN1-CK8 800-45).
>>>
>>> The BIOS is the A09 (I run Win2K).
>>>
>>> I've tried to upgrade the memory to 384 megs using a Kingston RIMM kit
>>> (2 x 128 megs - KTD-DM800/128) but the system seems unable to see more
>>> 256 megs.
>>>
>>> That's what the BIOS tell:
>>>
>>> Slot 1: 64
>>> Slot 2: 64
>>> Slot 3: 64
>>> Slot 4: 64
>>>
>>> But the first pair of slots actually contains the two Kingston 128
>>> Rimms and the second pair contains the two Samsung 64 Rimms.
>>>
>>> The situation does not change if I put the Kingstons in the first pair
>>> and two CRIMMS in the second pair: the system sees the two 128
>>> Kingstons as if they were 64 megs RIMMS.
>>> This happens with both my Dimension 8100.
>>>
>>> Anybody?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Filippo
>>>
>>
>> Try http://www.tritechcoa.com/product/901824.html
>>
>> Uses ECC RDRAM
>> Craig
>>
>>
>
> The Dimension 8100? No, it doesn't. It supports both, but shipped with
> PC800 non-ECC.
>
> Tom
>

For both NON-ECC and ECC RDRAM try here
http://www.4allmemory.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.m...

Craig
Anonymous
a b } Memory
a b Ô Samsung
December 19, 2004 9:05:17 PM

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"Craig" <nospam_wanted@on_the_net.com> wrote in message
news:rckxd.16341$up.10522@lakeread08...
>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:Tfqdncb2yuz0UVjcRVn-3w@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Craig" <nospam_wanted@on_the_net.com> wrote in message
>> news:NIfxd.15690$up.456@lakeread08...
>>>
>>> <lippilippo@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1103458641.275905.281370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have two identical Dimension 8100, Intel 850 - 400, 128 megs (2 x 64
>>>> megs rimms Samsung MR16R0824BN1-CK8 800-45).
>>>>
>>>> The BIOS is the A09 (I run Win2K).
>>>>
>>>> I've tried to upgrade the memory to 384 megs using a Kingston RIMM kit
>>>> (2 x 128 megs - KTD-DM800/128) but the system seems unable to see more
>>>> 256 megs.
>>>>
>>>> That's what the BIOS tell:
>>>>
>>>> Slot 1: 64
>>>> Slot 2: 64
>>>> Slot 3: 64
>>>> Slot 4: 64
>>>>
>>>> But the first pair of slots actually contains the two Kingston 128
>>>> Rimms and the second pair contains the two Samsung 64 Rimms.
>>>>
>>>> The situation does not change if I put the Kingstons in the first pair
>>>> and two CRIMMS in the second pair: the system sees the two 128
>>>> Kingstons as if they were 64 megs RIMMS.
>>>> This happens with both my Dimension 8100.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Filippo
>>>>
>>>
>>> Try http://www.tritechcoa.com/product/901824.html
>>>
>>> Uses ECC RDRAM
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The Dimension 8100? No, it doesn't. It supports both, but shipped with
>> PC800 non-ECC.
>>
>> Tom
>>
> Right it supports both...as per website it can also use ECC-RDRAM ..I did
> not say
> the DELL Dimension ships with this type of RAM. If one wants to use
> ECC-RDRAM
> in that computer a simple change in bios is all it takes.
>
> Craig
>]

I suppose, but if he is upgrading, a recommendation for memory that matches
what is in his computer makes more sense.
Anonymous
a b } Memory
a b Ô Samsung
December 20, 2004 7:04:47 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Thanks to everybody!

>From your replies it seems that the problem is that the Kingston RIMMS
DON'T work. Is this a well known fact? I bought two pairs of Kingston
RIMMS from their web site some years ago (I used the configurator and
they sold them as compatible with Dimension 8100).

Also I thought that the problem could be related to the BIOS. I've
found what follows on the Dell web site:

=-> In order to upgrade, the customer must remove all existing system
memory and replace completely. To upgrade the memory, a BIOS update is
required. The latest BIOS revision and instructions on how to flash
update the BIOS are located at www.support.dell.com <-=

(http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?c...)

What does this mean? If you don't upgrade the BIOS the systems won't
see the new RIMMS?

Finally, do you have direct experience of the RIMMS you pointed me to
and know that they actually work?

Thanks again

Filippo
Anonymous
a b } Memory
a b Ô Samsung
December 20, 2004 9:52:20 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

I bought my two Dimension 8100 both with the standard configuration of
128 Megs (2x64 Samsung RIMMS).

Then I bought 2 Kingston kits 2x128 Rimms each.

The idea was to mount the two Kingston kits in one of the Dimension
8100 (for a total of 512 Megs) and put the four 64 megs modules in the
other Dimension 8100 (total of 256 Megs).

I've upgraded the BIOS to the latest suggested release for Win2K (A09).
Any idea?
Anonymous
a b } Memory
a b Ô Samsung
December 20, 2004 5:02:04 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Wow! The information quoted on the Dell web site is dis-information, unless
there is somehow a strange BIOS limitation that prohibits the BIOS from seeing
more memory. Or maybe I don't understand the context of the quoted info.

"In order to upgrade, the customer must remove all existing system memory and
replace completely." I can come up with lots of examples with RAMBUS memory
where this would not be the case. It all depends on the original configuration
and the desired memory configuration... Ben Myers

On 20 Dec 2004 04:04:47 -0800, lippilippo@netscape.net wrote:

>Thanks to everybody!
>
>>From your replies it seems that the problem is that the Kingston RIMMS
>DON'T work. Is this a well known fact? I bought two pairs of Kingston
>RIMMS from their web site some years ago (I used the configurator and
>they sold them as compatible with Dimension 8100).
>
>Also I thought that the problem could be related to the BIOS. I've
>found what follows on the Dell web site:
>
>=-> In order to upgrade, the customer must remove all existing system
>memory and replace completely. To upgrade the memory, a BIOS update is
>required. The latest BIOS revision and instructions on how to flash
>update the BIOS are located at www.support.dell.com <-=
>
>(http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?c...)
>
>What does this mean? If you don't upgrade the BIOS the systems won't
>see the new RIMMS?
>
>Finally, do you have direct experience of the RIMMS you pointed me to
>and know that they actually work?
>
>Thanks again
>
>Filippo
>
Anonymous
a b } Memory
a b Ô Samsung
December 20, 2004 6:09:02 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

I've not run into problems using Kingston RIMMs in Dells and other brands of
computers with RAMBUS memory. All I can suggest at this point is that you may
have defective Kingston memory. Can you return it for a refund?

.... Ben Myers

On 20 Dec 2004 06:52:20 -0800, lippilippo@netscape.net wrote:

>I bought my two Dimension 8100 both with the standard configuration of
>128 Megs (2x64 Samsung RIMMS).
>
>Then I bought 2 Kingston kits 2x128 Rimms each.
>
>The idea was to mount the two Kingston kits in one of the Dimension
>8100 (for a total of 512 Megs) and put the four 64 megs modules in the
>other Dimension 8100 (total of 256 Megs).
>
>I've upgraded the BIOS to the latest suggested release for Win2K (A09).
>Any idea?
>
!