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April 29, 2003 3:35:52 AM

<A HREF="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0105/31.truform.sht..." target="_new">Maccentral pics</A>

<A HREF="http://www.amdzone.com/articleimages/truform/Fig11.jpg" target="_new">AMDZone pics</A>

<A HREF="http://www.morrowind.nm.ru/Morrowind FPS Optimizer/pics.html" target="_new">Impressive Morrowind before and after shots :D </A>

Notice the quake3 models werent designed with TruForm in mind, and yet it still makes a world of difference.

and the Morrowind shots... omg wow is all i can say.

IMHO this technology should be used in every game. i mean, why the hell wouldnt they?! instead of creating 3D models that are high in polygon count (and thus harder on teh CPU/ram) they could make relatively low polygon models and have the video card interpolate the models up to incredibly high detail

this is incredible technology IMO

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April 29, 2003 3:45:07 AM

Quote:
I could only find this for now, off Google.
http://www.meristation.com/hard/+hard/Aceleradoras/Avan...


Originally posted by Eden, for you CS fans ;) 


all these shots were taken on a Radeon 8500

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April 29, 2003 3:53:42 AM

How much of a performance hit from TruForm?


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April 29, 2003 4:01:33 AM

ATI claims none to very little, because the interpolation is done by a totally dedicated part of the GPU.. so its done in real time and keeps up texture rendering and regular T&L and pixel shading

i duno in real life.. im goingto my brothers to check it out because he has CS and Morrowind and an 8500LE

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April 29, 2003 4:04:58 AM

Those pics are pretty damned impressive. I guess I'm gonna have to buy a 9800 PRO next week. :smile:


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April 29, 2003 4:08:46 AM

and the thing is, its been around for a while lol.. yeah its really something

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April 29, 2003 4:21:43 AM

two reasons why truform never got really accepted till now.

it is a radeon8500 feature. who owns a radeon8500 compared to who owns a geforce3/4? hw support is little => software support is little

nvidia bashed it, made huge statements on how ugly it looks, and how syntetic. and true, using it directly makes your world look like that, round where it was flat, looks plastic. you have to model for it. its easy but you need to learn it.

anyways, truform2 is now here, on radeon9500+ products, and solves those problems. one: adaptive tesselation. that means yes, it does add triangles like truform did before, but no, it does not blindly generate trillions of them if the actual triangle that gets tesselated into smaller ones is only some pixels big. that means automagically near meshes have high poly count, far away meshes low poly count.

second, truform2 has displacement mapping. more about how THAT looks on the matrox page: http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/parhelia512/home.cfm
just search for the string "HDM" and clink on the link. some neat videos.
thats essencially what ati calls truform2.

anyone wanna talk about truform to enable for divx?!?! :D :D :D :D :D :D 

sorry. but as i knew yet what truform is, i could not stop laughing on reading the suggestion that you need truform for the divx movie enhancer.. who ever said that..

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April 29, 2003 4:56:32 AM

haha yeah, that was farny

but oh well we all make mistakes



and yes sometimes the models in CS wouldnt be perfectly smoothed. a popular complaint is how the soldiers would lose there elbows becuase TruForm would round it off.. so their arm was one long curve rofl..

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April 29, 2003 10:29:20 AM

You know I never played Morrowind on my new monitor with the AIW 8500DV (just the old 13" IBM) because I had just moved, and so I mainly played it on the AIW PCI/RageFury on the 17" and 19" waiting to get the 9500. Now I can't wait to get the 9600 so I can see all this. AWESOME! Can't wait!

Cool pics, REALLY huge differece, and on a game I play/love. WooHoo!

Definitely great tech. and I agree more games should take advantage of it especially if there is not a performance hit.


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April 30, 2003 3:36:10 AM

Your AIS 8500DV has True Form also, just an earlier version of it.

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April 30, 2003 3:52:47 AM

Crash, Had, Had. :frown:

I sold the AIW to a friend (I'll be giving away the PCI 16mb 128bit one to another friend) so they could both make PVR machines out of them. I switched to running 2 computers, and then putting a 9000 in my work rig, and was planning an upgrade to the 9500P for the 'new' gaming rig (been waiting like 3-4 mths now) So when I got all the new stuff for the new rig I had already been running the 8500DV but only in the old/crippled IBM Celeron 466 rig on a 13" IBM (made by Sony or SORNY?) (VGA monitor), so I didn't notice fine details as much. Anywhoo, can't wait to see Morrowind run on the 9600P in the gaming rig, especially after seeing these screen-captures, and what I COULD have had if I kept my old card, or knew that this feature worked so well.

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April 30, 2003 5:51:14 AM

incredible pics.

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April 30, 2003 7:14:06 AM

notice how even the lighting is improved from use of TruForm


that is quite impressive too and didnt notice it until now

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