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Anonymous
July 16, 2005 1:00:01 PM

Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

Hi everyone,

In a couple of weeks Buenos Aires (Argentina) will hold a constructed
tournament that should gather around 20 meths, including a couple of
newbies, a bunch long time players and some other
couple-of-years-into-the-game guys (i'm one of those).

Anyway, I'm planning to play a Tre/!Tre deck, and figured out I might
as well post it here to get your feedback on it. Basic idea is Carna
defends / bleed w/dominate / combat with Thaumaturgy.

If it is of any use, I've some information on what decks I may face
during the tournament, as local prince lend many competitive decks to a
lot of gamers here. As far as I can recall, there is at least: 1x Palla
Grande deck / 1x Ravnos Tumnimos / 2x Lasombra (1 politics/bleeds, 1
bleed/combat) / 1 Giovanni (seduction/sleeping mind/bleed), perhaps
another / 1x Tariq / 1x Ventrue 2-3 obf vote / 1x !Malk SB / 1x Cailean
/ 1x weenie presence politics...

Chances are that at least one wall deck will appear, and so should
happen with the already classic Euro-brujah. Also, game enviroment
tends to be bleed bouncing-heavy. So... here's the deck:

Vampire (12) [Min: 22 Max: 28 Avg: 6,33]
2 Aisling Sturbridge dom AUS THA 5 Camarilla
2 Bryan Van Duesen aus pre DOM THA 7 Sabbat
3 Carna, The Princess Witch AUS DOM THA 7 Camarilla primogen
1 Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg aus dom for THA 7 Camarilla
2 Reverend Blackwood obf DOM THA 6 Sabbat bishop
2 Selena AUS DOM THA 6 Sabbat. Black Hand

Master (13)
1 Academic Hunting Ground Tremere
1 Auspex
6 Blood Doll
1 Dominate
1 Guardian Angel
1 Mob Connections
1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
1 University Hunting Ground Tremere antitribu

Equipment (2)
2 Flak Jacket

Action Modifier (10)
10 Conditioning Dominate

Reaction (34)
8 Deflection Dominate
8 Forced Awakening
7 Precognition Auspex
6 Telepathic Misdirection Auspex
5 Wake with Evening's Freshness

Combat (31)
6 Apportation Thaumaturgy
6 Blood Fury Thaumaturgy
2 Burst of Sunlight Thaumaturgy
2 Soul Burn Thaumaturgy
10 Theft of Vitae Thaumaturgy
5 Walk of Flame Thaumaturgy


**
I'm thinking of swapping Aisling for his twin brother Hannigan, and the
Academic Hunting Ground for a KRCG News Radio.

I'm probably lacking some intercept, and would like to include a couple
of Thoughts Betrayed, but am not so sure of what to take out. Perhaps I
should drop the Jackets and the Burst's to include some Thoughts... but
I really don't know.

Do I really need that more intercept? I mean, perhaps I've already have
bleed bounce (14 cards!) and should cope with the fact that if I have
no bleed deck at my right, I might get clogged with bounce cards...

Is 13 wakes too much?

Should I swap 6x Telepathic Misdirection and add the same amount of
Deflection's? Should I keep them for the +1 intercept at inferior?

**
Well, comments welcome.

Thanks + best regards,

Andrés Valenzuela
(a.k.a. Kalessin)

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Anonymous
July 16, 2005 4:25:28 PM

Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

hi!
abstract::
bleed:
1x Palla Grande deck
1x Ravnos Tumnimos
2x Lasombra (1 politics/bleeds, 1 bleed/combat)
1 Giovanni (seduction/sleeping mind/bleed), perhaps another
1x !Malk SB

combat
1x Cailean
1x Tariq

politics
1x Ventrue 2-3 obf vote
1x weenie presence politics...

this means that you may add 1 or 2 archon investigation, and a few
major boon.
the combat is not very strong in this meta. you can test the T.betrayed
cause this can be defensive also. add 2 or 3 wind dance.
i think that you are playing too much bounce. maybe you can add more
flak jacket and add some burst of sunlight (prevent the agg w the flak)
for first round agg.
and you can test 1 or 2 atonement against the weenie pre and 1 bowl of
convergence.
enjoy!!!
Anonymous
July 17, 2005 7:07:26 AM

Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

> Basic idea is Carna
> defends / bleed w/dominate / combat with Thaumaturgy.

> Vampire (12) [Min: 22 Max: 28 Avg: 6,33]
> 2 Aisling Sturbridge dom AUS THA 5 Camarilla
> 2 Bryan Van Duesen aus pre DOM THA 7 Sabbat
> 3 Carna, The Princess Witch AUS DOM THA 7 Camarilla primogen
> 1 Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg aus dom for THA 7 Camarilla
> 2 Reverend Blackwood obf DOM THA 6 Sabbat bishop
> 2 Selena AUS DOM THA 6 Sabbat. Black Hand

Diversify. Tremere have the best crypt available, you don't need to
deal with duplicates unless you want to.

> Master (13)
> 1 Academic Hunting Ground Tremere
> 1 Auspex
> 6 Blood Doll
> 1 Dominate
> 1 Guardian Angel
> 1 Mob Connections
> 1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
> 1 University Hunting Ground Tremere antitribu

All of these are perfectly fine, but I would drop the Auspex and
Dominate skill cards in favor of KRCG and Arcane Library.

> Equipment (2)
> 2 Flak Jacket

One .44 Magnum on Carna is a defensive force to be feared.

> Action Modifier (10)
> 10 Conditioning Dominate

Couple Governs or Foreshadowing could be substituted in.

> Reaction (34)
> 8 Deflection Dominate
> 8 Forced Awakening
> 7 Precognition Auspex
> 6 Telepathic Misdirection Auspex
> 5 Wake with Evening's Freshness

I would switch some Precognition out for Enhanced Senses or some other,
and yes, I do think that's too many wakes. I'd take out at least 3.


> Combat (31)
> 6 Apportation Thaumaturgy
> 6 Blood Fury Thaumaturgy
> 2 Burst of Sunlight Thaumaturgy
> 2 Soul Burn Thaumaturgy
> 10 Theft of Vitae Thaumaturgy
> 5 Walk of Flame Thaumaturgy
>
>
> **
> I'm thinking of swapping Aisling for his twin brother Hannigan, and the
> Academic Hunting Ground for a KRCG News Radio.

Hunting grounds are really good late game. You have the defense to get
to late game.

> I'm probably lacking some intercept, and would like to include a couple
> of Thoughts Betrayed, but am not so sure of what to take out. Perhaps I
> should drop the Jackets and the Burst's to include some Thoughts... but
> I really don't know.

If you want to drop the jackets and bursts, do so. Playtesting will
tell you whether to do that. But either way, I doubt Thoughts Betrayed
will help you against any of the decks you mentioned above. Brujah
could just play Signpost and Blur it, and you lost 11 that turn (9 from
damage, 2 from your Thoughts Betrayed). Most of the other decks aren't
even looking to do combat. Cailean can be stopped by either agg, or
Pentex Subversion (if you care for that kind of thing).

> Do I really need that more intercept? I mean, perhaps I've already have
> bleed bounce (14 cards!) and should cope with the fact that if I have
> no bleed deck at my right, I might get clogged with bounce cards...

Right, I'd add Dreams/Barrens/Fragment etc.

> Is 13 wakes too much?

Yes, I think so. Especially without permanents for combat. Sniper
Rifle?

> Should I swap 6x Telepathic Misdirection and add the same amount of
> Deflection's? Should I keep them for the +1 intercept at inferior?

I generally use mostly Deflection, and then a few Telepathic
Misdirection. It's a matter for me of making sure I never have a
bounce card in my hand that I can't use to bounce with (For example,
Bryan can't use TM to bounce).

> Andrés Valenzuela
> (a.k.a. Kalessin)

Good luck.
-- Brian
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Anonymous
July 19, 2005 9:35:47 AM

Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

First of all, thank you all for your comments.

Sorry about following unusual way of quoting, but being new to the
group, I'm still missing the "quote" button on the web browser :( 

Anyway:

Qt.
and you can test 1 or 2 atonement against the weenie
Unqt.

And...

Qt.
Diversify. Tremere have the best crypt available, you don't need to
deal with duplicates unless you want to.
Unqt.

Atonement would be a great addition, but it's "below 6 capacity"
requirement keeps me wondering... only vampire in my cript capable of
playing it would be Aisling (and/or Hannigan, if I swap them), even
been doubled chances are slim that i'm 100% sure to get her.

Although I've been thinking about redoing the crypt, I don't seem
to find any appropriate substitute for current vampires... Vamps with
all three disciplines at superior are either too expensive (7+), or
have no inmediately useful ability (such as Carna's inherent +1
intercept, Muazis +1 stealth and no-blood hunts special, or Bryan van
Duesen +1 bleed).

To include Atonement, perhaps I could loose 1x Selena, Aisling and
Bryan to include, 1x Hannigan, plus another two (not sure whom...Martin
Franckel? Brooke? Kurt Strauss? Must probably be missing something
here, have limited experience with these guys...) If not, what do you
think about Kij Dinsky, Yasmin the Black, Ardan Lane, Eugenio Estevez?

Qt.
I've not updated my website for a fair while, however one of the decks
in the Equipment section may be a help to you building your deck.
http://vtes.vega.id.au/site/equipment/decks/prophail/th......

unqt.
As a matter of fact, comments in another forum keep me thinking of
forgetting about the equipment angle altogether. Have yet to try the
deck as it is (have played a couple of earlier versions before
submitting this here) to check how Burst of Sunlight actually works in
my metagame.

Qt.
the combat is not very strong in this meta. you can test the T.betrayed

cause this can be defensive also. add 2 or 3 wind dance.
Qt.

You're right... even though I remembered about another deck that'll
probably make it into the tournament (a Murietta gun deck), few
"strike cards" combat decks are around. Guess I was thinking more
of using them against the bleeders or voter decks (which feature quite
a good amount of S:CEs, weenie voter has 18 of them in it...). But
obviously its much better to have the Atonement stuff (as above) for
such cases...

Qt.
> Reaction (34)
> 8 Deflection Dominate
> 8 Forced Awakening
> 7 Precognition Auspex
> 6 Telepathic Misdirection Auspex
> 5 Wake with Evening's Freshness

I would switch some Precognition out for Enhanced Senses or some other,

and yes, I do think that's too many wakes. I'd take out at least 3.
Unqt.

Uh.. I guess I could swap some WWEFs with Enhanced Senses or Spirit's
Touch (might be lacking enough maneuvers if I drop the Flak Jackets for
protection)

Qt.
> Master (13)
> 1 Academic Hunting Ground Tremere
> 1 Auspex
> 6 Blood Doll
> 1 Dominate
> 1 Guardian Angel
> 1 Mob Connections
> 1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
> 1 University Hunting Ground Tremere antitribu

All of these are perfectly fine, but I would drop the Auspex and
Dominate skill cards in favor of KRCG and Arcane Library.
Unqt.

Quite probably I'm losing the Auspex card, and one of the HGs,
depending on how I re-do the crypt. Archon Investigation (goodbye
Legendary Gratiano!!) and a Radio are coming in.

Qt.
> Action Modifier (10)
> 10 Conditioning Dominate

Couple Governs or Foreshadowing could be substituted in.
Unqt.

Governs? 3-4 should be enough, I guess... Have read a while ago in the
Tremere Newsletter about using the Conditionigs for the surprise value
of "unless you want to be bled for 4, block me and have your vamp
scorched"... this tactic work THAT often? Local meta is quite strong
on bounce...


Well thank you all for your help, will keep thinking on how to better
the deck. I expect to give it a full playtesting this Saturday for some
more insights...

Cheers!

Andrés.
!