NAC at Gencon Overview

Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

Sorry all the NAC threads are starting to lose me and I just wanted to
recap. I'm going to assume that issues like "what if it rotates into a
brown paper bag" would be prevented by a selective screening process to
only allow locations with basic transportation/accomidations to be
accepted. Try to think of things that are specific to each idea. Like
yes, its a PRO that gencon has hotdogs on site...but any other location
and emulate that. I could not provide free spectacle advertisting at
the Detroit Marriott, its just something gencon has. I also an not
including the Week of Nightmares because its not a given that week of
nightmares has to go with the NAC.

1) HOLD NORTH AMERICAN CHAMPIONSHIPS AT GENCON

PROS
-Convention support, they already have something going on
-Walkon Players, there might be some, how ever few
-Advertisement of players playing
-Other activities present, other games and such
-Accessable and build for groups, its a convention center after all

CONS
-Expensive, even if only marginally so for some people
-Crowded, harder to get to/from locations, find a hotel local
-No freedom, must be on the weekend of gencon and we have no say so
-Not necessarily family friendly, guests not allowed, no selling
products

2) HOLD NORTH AMERICAN CHAMPIONSHIPS IN ROTATION

PROS
-Variety, different people able to attend by region
-No convention fee's
-We have complete control over when, who, and what goes on
-Better able to handle unique needs of VTES

CONS
-requires great commitment of host city
-requires a seperate trip on part of the players
-requires dedication of players to just one game

3) HOLD NORTH AMERICAN CHAMPIONSHIPS AT ONE PLACE, NOT A CONVENTION

PROS
-Flexibility in time/date of the NAC
-No convention fee's
-No suprises, location can be set and long lasting relationships can be
formed(like with prefered hotels, local organizers)

CONS
-requires great commitment of host city
-requires a seperate trip on part of the players
-requires dedication of players to just one game


When I compare what I know of the PRO's to gencon being, and the PRO's
of a non gencon based NAC I choose NO gencon. The fact that gencon has
some other games going on and provides free advertising really dont
trump the freedom and variety moving it seems to have. The drawbacks
of gencon as far as logistics (it is harder to get to/from the airport,
or even to get a cheeseburger gencon weekend) combined with the price
seem to outweight the non-gencon drawbacks of more cost and making us
be self sufficient. Maybe people are just to lazy and dont want to
have to plan something new.

What I would do, if I was in charge would be to solicit proposals. See
if any cities/playgroups are even interested in running next years NAC.
If so, and people are serious compare their proposals to each other
and the pre-existing gencon way of doing things. See what people like
better. If there is interest I say lets put together a couple
Proposals and just show the community that we can do a better NAC
somewhere else. I'm confident that almost every benifit gained from
gencon could be put together by a local playgroup. I'll work up
something in Detroit or contact Wes about his Windsor idea and get
things rolling. VTES is the best game around, and VTES players run the
best events. Anyone who's done any traveling could tell you that.
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  1. Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

    "The NosferatuStuff" <roansteele@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > I'm confident that almost every benifit gained from
    > gencon could be put together by a local playgroup.

    A "local playgroup" could provides acres of dealer rooms, thousands
    of other games of other sorts, miles of corredors filled with pick
    up games? Preposterous - and a sign that you're not trying very hard
    to understand why anyone would disagree with you about this.

    Fred
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    Acres? No. Could a local playgroup provide sales merchandise for
    purchase? Yes.

    Is it within the realm of possibility that you could play a pickup
    game, of a non-VTES type even? Yes.

    I think this is a sign that you are stuck on tiny tiny details. Could
    LA provide a room to the exact dimensions of one at gencon, no. Could
    gencon provide walking distance to 30 different casinos? no that is
    only something a Las Vegas NAC could provide. If you ask, could
    another playgroup provide local entertainment, it would cover
    everything. Which they could provide.
  3. Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

    All this for 90 people. "lots of people" = about 90 when all is said
    and done. Most of them read the news group. Why not just ASK them.
    I can get you an Archon with a list of everyone who attended GenCon
    Vtes events for the last 3 years and most have good email address on
    the vekn site.

    >From speaking to some folks at Origins, the new format has *already*
    cost some attendance because the LCQ is on a Thursday.


    PERSONAL OPINION PORTION:

    I go to GenCon for Vtes, the NAC and the opportunity to see good folks
    from the West that I don’t often get to see.

    GenCon is one crowded, expensive, smelly line. Finally, last year,
    GenCon Indy treated our paltry 90 players like the full-fee-paying,
    line-enduring, 4-hours-on-the-internet-lodging-lottery participants we
    are and had us (at least) sitting in one room. You remember 2003? I
    played the first round of the Championship on the CARPET in some
    HALLWAY...... (thanks again, Scott, for making the best of that)


    WHAT WOULD KEEP ME GOING TO GEN CON even IF we had a ROVING NAC:

    Picking up new players at GenCon? Not while our tournaments are 9 hour
    affairs. Hold and NAC Qualifier on Saturday along with 3 or 4 - 2
    round/final events spaced out over the other days. People who go for
    Vtes will feel like they're getting the most bang for their buck AND/OR
    can experience the whole "GenCon" thing.

    OUT ON A LIMB:

    Let me be the first:

    Atlanta volunteers to host the NAC in 2006.

    We have a pick of swell hotels happy to host us right by the airport
    (Free Shuttles running 24 hours a day to the hotel) Ample food choices
    and bars within walking distance, plenty of site seeing, sporting
    events (A 1.75 train ride away.) Block booking at the hotel can score
    you a room from 50 to 60 bucks a night, which is a whole LOT better
    than the 155.68 per night I'll be paying at GenCon this year. Sure,
    our dealer room is small, but we'll have more Vtes product on sale than
    GenCon/Origins combined. The event will be strewn with board games,
    poker..... Week of nightmares? Held in the same areas the weekend
    events will be held.

    *whew*

    Robyn Tatu
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    robyn_r@mindspring.com wrote:
    > Let me be the first:
    >
    > Atlanta volunteers to host the NAC in 2006.

    Atlanta would be a great locale for the first event--especially since
    there'd be so little lead time. WW may even be able to provide some
    help. If LA were allowed to run one, I'd love to do 2007 and do it
    right.

    BTW...

    Look at the EC 2005! http://www.vtes2005ec.hu/

    That is awesome. That's what I want to do for V:TES players in North
    America. Faaaantastic!

    -Robert
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    <robyn_r@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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    > WHAT WOULD KEEP ME GOING TO GEN CON even IF we had a ROVING NAC:
    >
    > Picking up new players at GenCon? Not while our tournaments are 9 hour
    > affairs.

    If you're referring to my points about exposure, that's sort of an
    overly literal way to look at picking up new players. (No one was
    suggesting we were going pick them up in the middle of an LCQ or
    anything.) But never mind - I don't want to rehash all that.
    Rather...

    > Hold and NAC Qualifier on Saturday along with 3 or 4 - 2
    > round/final events spaced out over the other days.

    Hold it! What happens to the two-day NAC that all those important
    princes-and-folks decided we needed in order to hold a fair
    tournament for 80+ qualifiers?!? If you don't know what I'm talking
    about, please refer to Steve Wieck's discussion of why the change
    was made to the 2-day NAC this year? (It inspired a long
    discussion on the conclave last fall. See his post entitled,
    Draft of New Championship and Australian Qualifier Rules for Princes
    to Review, 10-14-2004.) Would you propose to go back on that
    change?

    > People who go for Vtes will feel like they're getting the most
    > bang for their buck AND/OR can experience the whole "GenCon" thing.

    Huh?!? With all due respect, the only place the whole "GenCon" thing
    can be experienced is at GenCon.

    Fred
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    On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:24:56 -0700, "Frederick Scott"
    <nospam@no.spam.dot.com> wrote:

    >What happens to the two-day NAC that all those important
    >princes-and-folks decided we needed in order to hold a fair
    >tournament for 80+ qualifiers?!?

    Reality sets in.

    There are currently 74 qualified players living on the North American
    continent.

    These is no reason to expect them all to show up to GenCon.

    The change to 25% has had a huge effect on the number pre-qualified
    people and the number in attendance at GenCon will bear that out.

    Time will tell.


    Carpe noctem.

    Lasombra

    http://www.TheLasombra.com

    Your best online source for information about V:TES.
    Now also featuring individual card sales and sales
    of booster and starter box displays.
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    robyn_r@mindspring.com wrote:
    > Let me be the first:
    >
    > Atlanta volunteers to host the NAC in 2006.
    >
    > We have a pick of swell hotels happy to host us right by the airport
    > (Free Shuttles running 24 hours a day to the hotel) Ample food choices
    > and bars within walking distance, plenty of site seeing, sporting

    Plus, there are lots of boobies. You want to see boobies, we know where
    to take you. Boy, are there ever boobies. Damn.

    > events (A 1.75 train ride away.) Block booking at the hotel can score

    huhuhuh. You said "block booking". *snort*

    > you a room from 50 to 60 bucks a night, which is a whole LOT better
    > than the 155.68 per night I'll be paying at GenCon this year. Sure,
    > our dealer room is small, but we'll have more Vtes product on sale than
    > GenCon/Origins combined. The event will be strewn with board games,
    > poker..... Week of nightmares? Held in the same areas the weekend
    > events will be held.

    Yeah, I'm trying to stay out of this for the most part, because I'm not
    sure people really understand how annoying it is to pay a buttload for
    the hotel, bend over backwards getting INTO the hotel so you're not
    miles away from the event, $70 on top of that just to get into the
    place, and then lay out more for the V:TES tournaments. It's not the
    money, guys; I make plenty. I can afford it. It's the significant pain
    in the ass that results if ANY of this doesn't work properly.

    Don't win the lottery? Get put in a hotel way far away from things.

    Hotel screws up your reservation because they're overbooked? (hint,
    they're always overbooked; it's another lottery as to whether or not you
    get screwed) Get put in a hotel way far away from things, AND argue
    over it and lose 4 hours.

    Shell out $70 for a bunch of stuff that theoretically you could go play
    in, but it's all preregistered to full anyway and besides, you came here
    to play V:TES and most of your time not playing the actual tournaments
    is likely to be spent in pickup games or getting tanked at the RAM (or
    both). If you're unlucky, you get caught in the HOURS LONG LINE staffed
    by the cheapest non-gamer help the convention could afford, which means
    that if anything goes wrong with your registration, YOU'RE BONED: Lose
    a day straightening it out, and be barred from the V:TES events until
    it's fixed.

    Lay out a few extra bucks for V:TES: no big deal, but hope like hell
    GenCon actually gives us some space and doesn't split us up into two
    rooms on DIFFERENT FLOORS -- like 2003.

    The contrast between how GenCon runs things and how WE (for example)
    would run things is so pronounced it might as well be black and white.
    THAT's the advantage to a rotating NAC; THAT's the advantage to not
    having it at these horribly mismanaged atrocities often called conventions.

    (DragonCon is a pain in the ass too, but the hotel space is better and
    you can get hammered in the open gaming area. Mmmm hammered.)

    - --
    Derek

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    "Frederick Scott" <nospam@no.spam.dot.com> wrote in message news:IVXDe.46049$4o.39001@fed1read06...
    >
    > <robyn_r@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    > news:1121992558.143281.107240@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
    >> Hold and NAC Qualifier on Saturday along with 3 or 4 - 2
    >> round/final events spaced out over the other days.
    >
    > Hold it! What happens to the two-day NAC that all those important
    > princes-and-folks decided we needed in order to hold a fair
    > tournament for 80+ qualifiers?!?
    ....
    > Huh?!? With all due respect, the only place the whole "GenCon" thing
    > can be experienced is at GenCon.


    Oops! Never mind. I completely misunderstood Robyn's message.

    Fred
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    "Derek Ray" <lorimer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    >> you a room from 50 to 60 bucks a night, which is a whole LOT better
    >> than the 155.68 per night I'll be paying at GenCon this year.

    This is not aimed at Derek, so apologies for hijacking his post...

    I'm curious how many people book their hotels for Cons like GenCon
    NOT through the lottery. In order to do this of course you have to book nine
    months + in advance, but you can get a great rate, close to Con centre.

    Do more people not do this because they do not know if they can get to the
    Con
    or not in the next year? For the love of... make the booking in September,
    locking
    in the price, you can cancel up to 24 hours before the reservation starts.
    Each year
    we have made the booking, and usually modify it a month prior (once arrival
    dates
    are known) and its all good.

    The last two years our group paid $99 a night for two queen beds (split 4
    ways)
    and this year will pay $115 as we were a little late in booking. All years
    within 10
    minute walk of Convention centre.

    I just do not understand.

    -JTP
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    I think she was also saying "hold *A* NAC qualifier on saturday.."
    meaning still have events at gencon. In fact have another qualifier
    there. it'd just be a 1 day event. the two-day NAC would still take
    place in the proposed atlanta NAC.

    and the "gencon thing" would be in respect to the actually VTES
    players. she is not implying that moving the NAC would replicate the
    gencon experience, but that she would still go to gencon and actually
    be able to have MORE of the gencon experience in the form of added time
    in the acers of dealers rooms, days to spend playing her favorite games
    or trying things out in demo events. Actually get to the auction(one
    of my favorite events that VTES always steals from my convention
    experience)

    If moving the NAC enhances peoples expereince that are still going to
    go to gencon, and enhances VTES players VTES experience when they go to
    atlanta, then we are finally making progress.
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    "Derek Ray" <lorimer@yahoo.com> wrote
    >
    > Plus, there are lots of boobies. You want to see boobies, we know where
    > to take you. Boy, are there ever boobies. Damn.

    > (DragonCon is a pain in the ass too, but the hotel space is better and
    > you can get hammered in the open gaming area. Mmmm hammered.)

    Boobies *and* beer? I'm sold. (Derek, I appreciate how you are able to boil
    down several threads of a hundred or so posts into the most important
    considerations.)

    Note that Robyn did not specifically mention DragonCon in her post, though
    it seems that was probably what she meant. There really is no reason to tie
    the NAC to a convention at all, and we'd all save tonnes of cash if we
    didn't.

    GenCon may be the largest gaming convention, but it didn't seem all that
    great to me. Last year was my first GenCon experience, and while overall the
    weekend was a pleasant experience, I do have a lot of complaints. Most of
    the good things about the experience had little to do with GenCon itself.
    The games at the Ram. Meeting people from online for the first time.

    The only benefit that I saw to us being at the convention itself was the
    dealer room, which bored me after about fifteen minutes. I had no time to
    play other games, though in retrospect I would have liked to. The busy V:tES
    schedule made that near impossible. When a tournament takes 8 hours to
    complete, there's not really much else one can do. Even when I did make it
    to the dealer room, it was in between rounds, after I had been ousted, and I
    had to be careful to rush back before the next round started.

    So, yeah, moving to DragonCon or just to Atlanta for next year sounds good
    to me. I've seen very little of Atlanta, and would love to see more. It's
    got to be more interesting than downtown Indianapolis.

    Cheers,
    WES
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    I didn't mention DragonCon for the event on purpose.

    I'm really resisting waxing poetical about the DragonCon experience.
    It's a great time......

    ........but, you're right, it's Convention, and would be about on par,
    expense-wise, with GenCon.
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    On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:09:04 -0700, "Frederick Scott"
    <nospam@no.spam.dot.com> wrote:

    >
    >"The NosferatuStuff" <roansteele@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >news:1121979577.347804.34340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
    >> I'm confident that almost every benifit gained from
    >> gencon could be put together by a local playgroup.
    >
    >A "local playgroup" could provides acres of dealer rooms, thousands
    >of other games of other sorts, miles of corredors filled with pick
    >up games? Preposterous - and a sign that you're not trying very hard
    >to understand why anyone would disagree with you about this.

    Just to weigh in.

    I'll be playing in the LCQ. Because it's at GenCon. I'm not travelling
    half way around the world for a single game, no matter how much I like
    it.

    Whether international players 'count' or not, that's up to you to
    decide. But I can't afford to take (or pay for) more than one
    international trip a year. And GenCon is it.

    Morgan Vening
    - Also, I have to give Lasombra back his 'Ghouled's.
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    John P. wrote:
    >
    > I'm curious how many people book their hotels for Cons like GenCon
    > NOT through the lottery. In order to do this of course you have to book nine
    > months + in advance, but you can get a great rate, close to Con centre.

    You said it yourself. Nine+ months in advance I am NOT doing.

    > The last two years our group paid $99 a night for two queen beds (split 4
    > ways)
    > and this year will pay $115 as we were a little late in booking. All years
    > within 10
    > minute walk of Convention centre.

    So in other words, you're NOT in a hotel attached to the convention
    itself, and you have to get out and play in traffic in some form?

    Or are you thinking "10 minute walk from the heart of the event itself"?

    - --
    Derek

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    robyn_r@mindspring.com wrote:
    > Atlanta volunteers to host the NAC in 2006.
    >
    > We have a pick of swell hotels happy to host us right by the airport
    > (Free Shuttles running 24 hours a day to the hotel) Ample food choices
    > and bars within walking distance, plenty of site seeing, sporting
    > events (A 1.75 train ride away.) Block booking at the hotel can score
    > you a room from 50 to 60 bucks a night, which is a whole LOT better
    > than the 155.68 per night I'll be paying at GenCon this year. Sure,
    > our dealer room is small, but we'll have more Vtes product on sale than
    > GenCon/Origins combined. The event will be strewn with board games,
    > poker..... Week of nightmares? Held in the same areas the weekend
    > events will be held.

    Count me in ...
    Don´t forget that sightseeing the WW HQ is a nice side event ;-)

    --
    johannes walch
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    Johannes Walch schrieb:
    > robyn_r@mindspring.com wrote:
    >
    >> Atlanta volunteers to host the NAC in 2006.
    >>
    >> We have a pick of swell hotels happy to host us right by the airport
    >> (Free Shuttles running 24 hours a day to the hotel) Ample food choices
    >> and bars within walking distance, plenty of site seeing, sporting
    >> events (A 1.75 train ride away.) Block booking at the hotel can score
    >> you a room from 50 to 60 bucks a night, which is a whole LOT better
    >> than the 155.68 per night I'll be paying at GenCon this year. Sure,
    >> our dealer room is small, but we'll have more Vtes product on sale than
    >> GenCon/Origins combined. The event will be strewn with board games,
    >> poker..... Week of nightmares? Held in the same areas the weekend
    >> events will be held.
    >
    >
    > Count me in ...
    > Don´t forget that sightseeing the WW HQ is a nice side event ;-)
    >
    > --
    > johannes walch


    And in any case, if there is a sudden lack of prize support - it won't
    be a problem getting some, too.

    Andreas
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    Me likey moving NAC.


    --
    Comments Welcome,
    Norman S. Brown, Jr
    XZealot
    Archon of the Swamp
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    I AM THERE!!! Love ya Robyn ;)

    ***JediMike***
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    robyn_r@mindspring.com schrieb:
    > I didn't mention DragonCon for the event on purpose.
    >
    > I'm really resisting waxing poetical about the DragonCon experience.
    > It's a great time......
    >
    > .......but, you're right, it's Convention, and would be about on par,
    > expense-wise, with GenCon.
    >

    We can play in the WW warehouse! There would be enough room for all.
    Plus the experience of seeing probably a million books and a dozen or
    two pallets carrying about 100 booster displays cases with 1000 booster
    displays!

    Andreas
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    > > People who go for Vtes will feel like they're getting the most
    > > bang for their buck AND/OR can experience the whole "GenCon" thing.
    >
    > Huh?!? With all due respect, the only place the whole "GenCon" thing
    > can be experienced is at GenCon.
    >

    To hold the NAC in Atlanta I personally, would walk away feeling like
    "I experience the whole *GenCon* thing" Because for me (and I know I
    speak for other players in L.A.) Playing 9 hr tournys of VtES, hanging
    at the bar with all you good ppl of the VtES community, then going back
    to play Vtes till the sun comes up ***IS*** the whole "Gencon" thing
    for me. Period. I could find that experience in any city that would
    host it.

    $.08...???

    ***JediMike***
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    Ahhh... Derek, I see you also get the whole "Gencon" thing as well !
    Nicely put. Oh.... and %1000 accurate.

    ***JediMike***
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    "***JediMike***" <Jedimike@rebelscum.net> wrote in message
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    >> Huh?!? With all due respect, the only place the whole "GenCon" thing
    >> can be experienced is at GenCon.
    >
    > To hold the NAC in Atlanta I personally, would walk away feeling like
    > "I experience the whole *GenCon* thing" Because for me (and I know I
    > speak for other players in L.A.) Playing 9 hr tournys of VtES, hanging
    > at the bar with all you good ppl of the VtES community, then going back
    > to play Vtes till the sun comes up ***IS*** the whole "Gencon" thing
    > for me. Period. I could find that experience in any city that would
    > host it.

    Sure. If you're the one who defines what a thing is (in this case,
    how you define the "GenCon experience"), I'm sure you could figure
    out how to find that thing anywhere you wanted it to be. If a guy
    didn't want to go to GenCon, I'm sure he could "find" the GenCon
    experience in the Pizza Hut buffet line for his purposes.

    Of course, it gets to be kind of beside the point for other people
    when you start defining things that way.

    Fred
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    Fred said:

    > I'm sure you could figure
    > out how to find that thing anywhere you wanted it to be. If a guy
    > didn't want to go to GenCon, I'm sure he could "find" the GenCon
    > experience in the Pizza Hut buffet line for his purposes.
    >

    One of the major points of leaving Gencon would be to get AWAY from
    lines! So no "thing" in a Pizza Hut buffet line, but they could
    deliver....HMMMM?

    *JM*
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    robyn_r@mindspring.com wrote:
    >
    > Let me be the first:
    >
    > Atlanta volunteers to host the NAC in 2006.
    >
    > We have a pick of swell hotels happy to host us right by the airport
    > (Free Shuttles running 24 hours a day to the hotel) Ample food choices
    > and bars within walking distance, plenty of site seeing, sporting
    > events (A 1.75 train ride away.) Block booking at the hotel can score
    > you a room from 50 to 60 bucks a night, which is a whole LOT better
    > than the 155.68 per night I'll be paying at GenCon this year. Sure,
    > our dealer room is small, but we'll have more Vtes product on sale than
    > GenCon/Origins combined. The event will be strewn with board games,
    > poker..... Week of nightmares? Held in the same areas the weekend
    > events will be held.
    >
    > *whew*
    >
    > Robyn Tatu
    >

    and i even heard that the Atlanta crowd is quite nice ;-)
    but robyn in order to recreate the gencon flair, could you make a four
    hour wait line for event registration?

    stefan
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    John P. wrote:

    >
    > I'm curious how many people book their hotels for Cons like GenCon
    > NOT through the lottery.

    > -JTP
    >
    >


    what lottery. please enlighten me for future savings

    stefan
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    "Derek Ray" <lorimer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > John P. wrote:
    >>
    >> I'm curious how many people book their hotels for Cons like GenCon
    >> NOT through the lottery. In order to do this of course you have to book
    >> nine
    >> months + in advance, but you can get a great rate, close to Con centre.
    >
    > You said it yourself. Nine+ months in advance I am NOT doing.

    Even if a simple phone call can cancel reservation at any time
    prior to the event?

    > So in other words, you're NOT in a hotel attached to the convention
    > itself, and you have to get out and play in traffic in some form?

    Yes. I get to play in traffic. Are all of the lottery hotels connected? We
    have never tried for
    the connected hotels, (generally appear more posh and pricey) so I do
    not know if it is possible to do the same there.

    -John P.
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