[DECK] Tremere Block/Burn

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greetings.

humbly asking for comments for a first-time Tre deck. i'm used to
ani/pot combat and some cel but this is the first time i'm trying my
hand at blood magic.

the basic strategy of this deck is to bounce big bleeds via Telepathic
Misdirection/My Enemy's Enemy and absorbs small ones via Telepathic
Counter.

if and when I bleed, it'll probably be with Conditioning.

setup will consist of getting on a Flak Jacket and the Sport Bike,
maybe the cooler. obviously, Rutor's Hand is desired at the beginning.

blood gain will be from Theft at superior (since all vamps have THA),
Minion Tap, The Rack. hopefully i will be able to cycle if someone
tries to steal The Rack.

comments are highly welcome. TIA.


Description: Tremere 2/3 blocks and burns!

Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 31, Avg: 5.83)
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2 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3 Tremere
2 Aisling Sturbridge dom AUS THA 5 Tremere
2 Cohn Rose aus dom THA 5 Tremere
1 Eugenio Estevez dom AUS THA 6 Tremere
2 Muaziz aus dom THA 7 Tremere
1 Rebekka AUS THA 8 Tremere
2 Ardan Lane dom AUS THA 8 Tremere

Library: (89 cards)
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Master (17 cards)
1 Academic Hunting Ground
1 Chantry
5 Blood Doll
1 Mob Connections
2 Gird Minions
2 Minion Tap
1 Tremere Convocation
1 Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
1 Information Highway
1 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Rack, The
1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The

Action (6 cards)
2 Rutor`s Hand
2 Psychic Projection
2 Magic of the Smith

Action Modifier (4 cards)
4 Conditioning

Reaction (23 cards)
4 Telepathic Misdirection
2 Telepathic Counter
8 Forced Awakening
2 Spirit`s Touch
2 Precognition
4 Enhanced Senses
1 My Enemy`s Enemy

Combat (32 cards)
10 Theft of Vitae
8 Apportation
6 Walk of Flame
2 Blood to Water
2 Shotgun Ritual
4 Soul Burn

Equipment (6 cards)
1 Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
2 Flak Jacket
2 Sport Bike
1 Cooler


sincerely,

OW

 

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Odrich Wendergass wrote:
> greetings.

Greetings!!

> humbly asking for comments for a first-time Tre deck. i'm used to
> ani/pot combat and some cel but this is the first time i'm trying my
> hand at blood magic.

Well, I shouldn't be doing this, not being a really great player, but
given most top VTES players around the world are at Week of Nightmares,
readying themselves to play at the NA Nationals... i figured it out
that I could post a deck I've been playing for the last couple of
months, and ended up second in a 19 players tournament in BsAs, after
qualifying top seed with 2GW and a tie.

My first trials started with a deck much as yours, and ended up adding
more Dominate. It worked pretty well, but only after much testing and
tweeking. I followed advised from the previous two times champ here,
and dropped the equipment, swap Telepathic Misdirections for
Deflections and also diversified the crypt (as advised by a guy on the
web).

Vampire (12) [Min: 16 Max: 28 Avg: 5,58]
2 Aisling Sturbridge dom AUS THA 5 Camarilla
1 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3 Camarilla
3 Carna, The Princess Witch AUS DOM THA 7 Camarilla primogen
1 Ehrich Weiss dom tha 3 Camarilla.
1 Hannigan dom AUS THA 5 Sabbat
1 Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg aus dom for THA 7 Camarilla
1 Reverend Blackwood obf DOM THA 6 Sabbat bishop
2 Selena AUS DOM THA 6 Sabbat. Black Hand

Master (16)
1 Academic Hunting Ground Tremere
2 Archon Investigation
5 Blood Doll
1 Dominate
1 Guardian Angel
1 KRCG News Radio
1 Mob Connections
1 Rack, The
1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
2 Sudden Reversal

Action (6)
2 Atonement
4 Govern the Unaligned Dominate

Action Modifier (
8 Conditioning Dominate

Reaction (30)
8 Deflection Dominate
3 Eagle's Sight Auspex
3 Enhanced Senses Auspex
10 Forced Awakening
3 Precognition Auspex
3 Spirit's Touch Auspex

Combat (30)
7 Apportation Thaumaturgy
2 Blood Fury Thaumaturgy
3 Soul Burn Thaumaturgy
11 Theft of Vitae Thaumaturgy
2 Thoughts Betrayed Dominate
5 Walk of Flame Thaumaturgy

> if and when I bleed, it'll probably be with Conditioning.

Bleeding with one or two vamps a turn is great, if you pass, you gain
the edge and prevent your prey from gaining pool with it, if you don't,
you get into combat (which you want to, anyway).

Hope useful,

Andrés.
(a.k.a. Kalessin)

 

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Odrich Wendergass wrote:
> greetings.
>
> humbly asking for comments for a first-time Tre deck. i'm used to
> ani/pot combat and some cel but this is the first time i'm trying my
> hand at blood magic.

That's great to hear! And you're in luck, because I'm one of the many
players not at GenCon.

> the basic strategy of this deck is to bounce big bleeds via Telepathic
> Misdirection/My Enemy's Enemy and absorbs small ones via Telepathic
> Counter.

So it's not a block/burn deck?

> if and when I bleed, it'll probably be with Conditioning.
>
> setup will consist of getting on a Flak Jacket and the Sport Bike,
> maybe the cooler. obviously, Rutor's Hand is desired at the beginning.
>
> blood gain will be from Theft at superior (since all vamps have THA),
> Minion Tap, The Rack. hopefully i will be able to cycle if someone
> tries to steal The Rack.
>
> comments are highly welcome. TIA.
>
>
> Description: Tremere 2/3 blocks and burns!
>
> Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 31, Avg: 5.83)
> ----------------------------------------------
> 2 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3 Tremere
> 2 Aisling Sturbridge dom AUS THA 5 Tremere
> 2 Cohn Rose aus dom THA 5 Tremere
> 1 Eugenio Estevez dom AUS THA 6 Tremere
> 2 Muaziz aus dom THA 7 Tremere
> 1 Rebekka AUS THA 8 Tremere
> 2 Ardan Lane dom AUS THA 8 Tremere

It looks like you don't have any copies of Carna, the Princess Witch.
She would be a much better choice than Ardan Lane. If you can get a
copy of Martin Franckel I would put him in place of one of the Blythe
Candeleria. And since you don't have too many Tremere-only cards, I
would recommend changing one Cohn Rose for Hannigan. Also Anastaszdi
Zagreb would be great in place of Ardan or Rebekka.

> Library: (89 cards)
> -------------------
> Master (17 cards)
> 1 Academic Hunting Ground
> 1 Chantry
> 5 Blood Doll
> 1 Mob Connections
> 2 Gird Minions
> 2 Minion Tap
> 1 Tremere Convocation
> 1 Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
> 1 Information Highway
> 1 Dreams of the Sphinx
> 1 Rack, The
> 1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The

Good selection of masters, except for Gird Minions. I think you'll
have enough blood with all those Theft of Vitae. I would replace them
with Sudden Reversal or some more Govern the Unaligned. In addition,
Tremere Convocation is not very useful since all of your vampires have
superior Thaumaturgy and you will only get the +1 stealth on 4 actions.
Consider Arcane Library or a Dominate master instead.

> Action (6 cards)
> 2 Rutor`s Hand
> 2 Psychic Projection
> 2 Magic of the Smith

Anima Gathering will probably be better than Psychic Projection. You
might want to squeeze in a couple Govern the Unaligned.

> Action Modifier (4 cards)
> 4 Conditioning

This is fine. You might wan a couple more Conditioning in the future.

> Reaction (23 cards)
> 4 Telepathic Misdirection
> 2 Telepathic Counter
> 8 Forced Awakening
> 2 Spirit`s Touch
> 2 Precognition
> 4 Enhanced Senses
> 1 My Enemy`s Enemy

I would recommend fitting in a few Eagle's Sight so you can block your
prey's bleeds. Here is an example 24 cards which matches roughly what
you already have:

4 Eagle's Sight
4 Enhanced Senses
8 Forced Awakening
2 Spirit's Touch
2 Telepathic Counter
4 Telepathic Misdirection

> Combat (32 cards)
> 10 Theft of Vitae
> 8 Apportation
> 6 Walk of Flame
> 2 Blood to Water
> 2 Shotgun Ritual
> 4 Soul Burn

It's up to you but I think you will find that 6 Walk of Flame is too
many, and the Shotgun Ritual isn't *quite* worth it.I would recommend
going down to 4 Walk of Flame, 2 Soul Burn, 0 Shotgun Ritual, and
adding 2-4 Apportation and some more Conditioning or My Enemy's Enemy.

> Equipment (6 cards)
> 1 Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
> 2 Flak Jacket
> 2 Sport Bike
> 1 Cooler

Good. Obviously if you can get your hands on a Bowl of Convergence,
use it in place of the Cooler. And if you don't have Bowl, maybe make
the Cooler a Conditioning or a Learjet.

After looking through the whole thing, this is a great attempt at your
first Tremere deck. I've laid out my thoughts on how to make this deck
better but you are welcome to play away and make your own
modifications.

If you decide to focus more on the block/burn and less on the
bruise/bleed, you should look into Burst of Sunlight and Rotschreck.
You can build the deck so that you don't try so hard to reach the
second round of combat and still reliably torporize your opponents.
You'll find an example deck in my first Tremere Newlsetter, found at:
http://www.thelasombra.com/newsletter/tremere_february_2004.htm

And if you want to continue working on Tremere you can find great
information in all the Tremere newsletters:
http://www.thelasombra.com/ClanPages/tremere/clanpage.htm#newsletter

Best of luck!

Dorrinal Blackmantle
Chronicler of Clan Tremere
Chantry Elder of Salt Lake City

 

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If you like the walk of flame angle, perhaps a Fast Reaction or two?
You get a free theft of vitae (they can't hit back) and superior AUS
gets you that needed press...

 

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thanks! i'll be tweaking the deck in time for a game tomorrow.

 

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Odrich Wendergass wrote:
> the basic strategy of this deck is to bounce big bleeds via Telepathic
> Misdirection/My Enemy's Enemy and absorbs small ones via Telepathic
> Counter.

....For this you will require more big AUS. Your crypt only has 6 vamps
with the required discipline, two of them are duplicates, and three of
them are 8-caps (unlikely to get two).

Alternately, you can just go with a Deflection/Counter package, which is
a lot easier to work with (especially when you include 1x Martin
Franckel, who is great for sitting with his thumbs in and Countering.
Ditch 1x Cohn, he ain't that good.)

> setup will consist of getting on a Flak Jacket and the Sport Bike,
> maybe the cooler. obviously, Rutor's Hand is desired at the beginning.

That's a lot of kit-up for a basically defensive deck. You've already
got semi-slow forward momentum and will need to get most of your crypt
out to actually put pressure forward -- be careful of adding too many
actions.

> Description: Tremere 2/3 blocks and burns!
>
> Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 31, Avg: 5.83)
> ----------------------------------------------
> 2 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3 Tremere
> 2 Aisling Sturbridge dom AUS THA 5 Tremere
> 2 Cohn Rose aus dom THA 5 Tremere

as above, toss 1x Cohn and add 1x Martin. He saves on Wakes.

> 1 Eugenio Estevez dom AUS THA 6 Tremere
> 2 Muaziz aus dom THA 7 Tremere
> 1 Rebekka AUS THA 8 Tremere
> 2 Ardan Lane dom AUS THA 8 Tremere

Are you disinclined to backfill with !Tremere?

> Library: (89 cards)
> -------------------
> Master (17 cards)
> 1 Academic Hunting Ground
> 1 Chantry
> 5 Blood Doll
> 1 Mob Connections

Won't be useful to you especially, but makes a great distraction for
people to come and burn instead of bleeding you for 6.

> 2 Gird Minions

Ditch both of these. If your minions are sufficiently boned that you
actually need to move pool to them, you're in more trouble than these
will save you from.

> 2 Minion Tap
> 1 Tremere Convocation

Why? Everyone has THA and the +1 stealth won't help you get the actions
like Rutor's Hand through any more -- your biggest opponent is always
2nd Tradition.

> 1 Wasserschloss Anif, Austria

This is probably one too many things to defend, although if the table
doesn't pay attention, it can be good stuff.

> 1 Information Highway
> 1 Dreams of the Sphinx
> 1 Rack, The
> 1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The

Channel 10.

> Action (6 cards)
> 2 Rutor`s Hand
> 2 Psychic Projection
> 2 Magic of the Smith

Dump the Projections; they fail to Elder Impersonation. Add 2x Rutor's
since your prime concern is getting one.

> Action Modifier (4 cards)
> 4 Conditioning
>
> Reaction (23 cards)
> 4 Telepathic Misdirection
> 2 Telepathic Counter

You gonna need more. Fortunately, we just threw away two Gird Minions
above, and you had a spare slot; add 3x Counter here. If you have
Martin out, the Counters will be super-obnoxious.

> 8 Forced Awakening
> 2 Spirit`s Touch
> 2 Precognition
> 4 Enhanced Senses
> 1 My Enemy`s Enemy

Be warned; you have an intercept shortage. Hopefully you will be able
to just pass on or Counter big-stealthers.

> Combat (32 cards)
> 10 Theft of Vitae
> 8 Apportation
> 6 Walk of Flame
> 2 Blood to Water
> 2 Shotgun Ritual

Junk both the Blood to Water and Shotgun Ritual; they are NOT worth the
blood cost, even with Ankara. Add 4x Movement of the Mind, so you can
more consistently maneuver AND bail out when you're about to get your
head mashed in on round 2.

> 4 Soul Burn
>
> Equipment (6 cards)
> 1 Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The

Your only cards that cost blood (after above edits) are:

4x Telepathic Misdirection
4x Conditioning
4x Soul Burn

So throw this out; it gives you almost no benefit and it's an extra
action your guys won't want to be taking. Add 1x Magic of the Smith so
you can get the Bikes a little quicker.

> 2 Flak Jacket
> 2 Sport Bike
> 1 Cooler

- --
Derek

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thanks for the comments, Derek. here's a modified version of the deck.

notes:

1)i filled out the crypt with !Tre, and kept the bigger Tre simply
because of their specials (Ardan, Muaziz and Rebekka).

2) added Channel 10, Blood Rage and Movement of the Mind

3) combo: aside from the typical Theft+press+Walk, if i'm forced to
stay in close range, then i'll Blood to Water+Blood Rage (0 blood
paid).


difficulties:

1) not everyone can benefit from the Chantry.

2) i want to put in Wind Dances (about 4) and maybe even a Rotschreck
(or 2) because of the high combat environment i play in, but i don't
know where to put them.


Deck Name: Toolbox Goodness
Description: Tre/!Tre unite to deflect, diminish, block, bruise and
burn.

Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 29, Avg: 5.58)
1 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3 Tremere
1 Martin Franckel tha AUS 3 Tremere
2 Aisling Sturbridge dom AUS THA 5 Tremere
2 Hannigan dom AUS THA 5 Tremere Antitribu
1 Eugenio Estevez dom for AUS THA 6 Tremere
1 Yasmin the Black dom pre AUS THA 6 Tremere Antitribu
1 Selena AUS DOM THA 6 Tremere Antitribu
1 Muaziz aus dom for THA 7 Tremere
1 Rebekka pot AUS PRE THA 8 Tremere
1 Ardan Lane dom obf pre AUS THA 8 Tremere

Library: (91 cards)

Master (16 cards)
2 Minion Tap
1 Mob Connections
1 Academic Hunting Ground
1 Rack, The
1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
5 Blood Doll
1 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Channel 10
1 Sudden Reversal
1 Information Highway
1 Chantry

Action (9 cards)
3 Magic of the Smith
3 Rutor`s Hand
3 Seeds of Corruption

Action Modifier (5 cards)
5 Conditioning

Reaction (24 cards)
4 Enhanced Senses
2 Precognition
4 Telepathic Counter
4 Telepathic Misdirection
8 Forced Awakening
2 Spirit`s Touch

Combat (32 cards)
4 Blood Rage
4 Movement of the Mind
2 Blood to Water
8 Apportation
8 Theft of Vitae
6 Walk of Flame

Equipment (5 cards)
2 Sport Bike
1 Cooler
2 Flak Jacket

 

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Odrich Wendergass wrote:
> thanks for the comments, Derek. here's a modified version of the deck.
>
> notes:
>
> 1)i filled out the crypt with !Tre, and kept the bigger Tre simply
> because of their specials (Ardan, Muaziz and Rebekka).

I hate Muaziz for this deck, BTW. I like Muaziz in general. Muaziz is
a great vamp. But I hate Muaziz for this deck. I should've suggested
Carna, and I'm not sure why I didn't. =)

> 2) added Channel 10, Blood Rage and Movement of the Mind

Um. Blood Rage is probably going to get your guys blown to smithereens
by some massive nasty (optional agg) hand strike, you know. =)

> 3) combo: aside from the typical Theft+press+Walk, if i'm forced to
> stay in close range, then i'll Blood to Water+Blood Rage (0 blood
> paid).

....-1 for the hands-for-one (best scenario) from your opponent. I
really, really don't like Blood to Water, by the way, unless you're
using Anathema alongside it. It just spends SO much blood off your
guys, for so little result.

> 1) not everyone can benefit from the Chantry.

Not a major problem. It's there as a backup anyway, and your main guys
(Ardan, etc.) are still able to use it.

> 2) i want to put in Wind Dances (about 4) and maybe even a Rotschreck
> (or 2) because of the high combat environment i play in, but i don't
> know where to put them.

Wind Dances: In the garbage.
Rotschreck: 1x at most; from the decklist below, I'd pitch a Seeds of
Corruption. I'd also consider pitching the other two Seeds for 2x Burst
of Sunlight, and then you could scrounge room for yet one more
Rotschreck if you really felt sleazy.

> Deck Name: Toolbox Goodness
> Description: Tre/!Tre unite to deflect, diminish, block, bruise and
> burn.
>
> Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 29, Avg: 5.58)
> 1 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3 Tremere
> 1 Martin Franckel tha AUS 3 Tremere
> 2 Aisling Sturbridge dom AUS THA 5 Tremere
> 2 Hannigan dom AUS THA 5 Tremere Antitribu
> 1 Eugenio Estevez dom for AUS THA 6 Tremere
> 1 Yasmin the Black dom pre AUS THA 6 Tremere Antitribu
> 1 Selena AUS DOM THA 6 Tremere Antitribu
> 1 Muaziz aus dom for THA 7 Tremere
> 1 Rebekka pot AUS PRE THA 8 Tremere
> 1 Ardan Lane dom obf pre AUS THA 8 Tremere

Oodles better. I still like Carna instead of Muaziz, though I know the
+1 stealth and munch-o-rifficness is tempting and hard to pass up.

> Library: (91 cards)

FOUL!

> Action (9 cards)
> 3 Magic of the Smith
> 3 Rutor`s Hand
> 3 Seeds of Corruption

ICKY ICKY POO. These cards are not good in this deck.

Primarily, the action to remove is NOT directed at you -- it's directed
at the controller of the card. If you are in a good position, your prey
will deal with your predator to have your predator remove the Seeds on
his turn, and it will be wasted actions and blood on your part since you
have no Eagle's Sight to block it.

> Combat (32 cards)
> 4 Blood Rage

Yuck. This doesn't provide the gun defense that Soul Burn did -- which
is about the only reason to include Soul Burn in the deck. It _looks_
free, but you get punched for 1 since you're at close, so it costs 1 anyway.

> 4 Movement of the Mind
> 2 Blood to Water
> 8 Apportation
> 8 Theft of Vitae
> 6 Walk of Flame

I'd be really tempted to go with only 4x Walk here and 2x more Theft.

> Equipment (5 cards)
> 2 Sport Bike
> 1 Cooler
> 2 Flak Jacket

Room for a Leather Jacket or two? Great stuff, Leather Jackets. Really
pisses off the POT decks no end.

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